CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #35 *ARREST*

[acutename]

An educated guess is still a guess when there is no body. PF picked up his daughter on Thanksgiving. Where is the proof he also murdered her mother that day?

JMO

I think if you had her phone records and every other day for the past 5 or 10 years she had, say 5 to 25 calls on her phone, and after 11/22/18, she had zero, that would be indicative that she was gone. if there are other periods of silence, then maybe not so indicative, but if she has always been communicating previously, the silence is remarkable.

 

[Dave F.]

We haven't seen that she left the market. But the detectives and the DA have seen have seen that video. They know when she left and who she may have met up with.

If it turns out that she did meet up with PF at the parking lot, and hand off the baby then, as was rumored at the start of this case, his whole story falls apart.

I have no idea what you are saying. LE has never said where he picked up the child, and they have been very adamant that he has not talked to them. CB said he told her he picked the child up that day, but did not specify where he picked her up. There are no answers, and a story that never existed can't fall apart. IMO

 

[MyBelle]

there was discussion before about how often people with restraining orders are killed. in this case, as far as we know, KB was interacting with PF and he was babysitting. just because some one is mouthing threats, to a third party, that does not necessarilly make any kind of case or charge.


is PF going to testify against her in his own defense?

I think KB did believe PF wanted to marry her and be a family with their child. That said, I think the defense is going to destroy KKL without PF's help. Her pals have gone out of their way to portray KKL to the news media as too scared to go to LE. Yet, they also claimed PF threatened to harm KKL's own daughter. There is no acceptable excuse for her not going to the police about the threat to her children, no explanation for her traveling to Colorado or for texting fraudulent messages to KB's employer. KKL sounds like a toxic hot mess and that will help PF, not hurt him.

JMO

 

[Oregon]

I haven't seen the word mutilated outside of the context of human or animal death and dismembering etc before.
is this normal legal term??


ie... the phone was mutilated and destroyed. (obliterated smashed desecrated all more give the idea that its something physical that has been broken but
imo unusual wording when it is a side note to a murder that has had limited information released.)

or is it a clue to much more than we know...…

ideas and insights appreciated
moo

 

[katydid23]

I have no idea what you are saying. LE has never said where he picked up the child, and they have been very adamant that he has not talked to them. CB said he told her he picked the child up that day, but did not specify where he picked her up. There are no answers, and a story that never exkisted can't fall apart. IMO

Back at the very start of this case, there were conflicting stories about where and when the child was handed off.

ONE of the stories was that they met up at the market. Another version was that KB dropped her off at the ranchette. And then the 3rd scenario was that he picked her up. We don't know what he told the police.

My point was that just because WE don't know when she left, or who she left with, if anyone, LE knows. JMO

 

[lindaromas]

I wish KB would have had a close friend in Colorado, someone she could talk to, confide in, and that person would step forward. This is such a sad situation. If I moved to a strange area I would thrilled to buddy up with a neighbor or find a friend with similar likes. It's like no one around her actually knew her

 

[Stunned]

Yup. No automated fingerprint system either.

It was shocking to me that it took them as long as it did to identify him in Florida.

They had him, but didn’t know who he was.

That sure as hell couldn't happen today.

Having ‘met Bundy ‘ and been to his trial in Miami, he was a chameleon.

 

[acutename]

We haven't seen that she left the market. But the detectives and the DA have seen have seen that video. They know when she left and who she may have met up with.

If it turns out that she did meet up with PF at the parking lot, and hand off the baby then, as was rumored at the start of this case, his whole story falls apart.

not really because his truck is seen at her condo that day. maybe he took the baby some where and then returned to KB's condo.

 

[MyBelle]

I think if you had her phone records and every other day for the past 5 or 10 years she had, say 5 to 25 calls on her phone, and after 11/22/18, she had zero, that would be indicative that she was gone. if there are other periods of silence, then maybe not so indicative, but if she has always been communicating previously, the silence is remarkable.

My point was about KKL having an alibi specifically to Thanksgiving. The term "robbery" implies to me that LE believe KB was alive when her phone was taken from her.

JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

earlier CarolinePolly said,
Yes, I agree. The exit video is the key to this.
1. KB was in Safeway 11/22 at 12:37pm
2. Neighbor saw PFs red truck parked at KBs on 11/22 between 12:30-1:00pm
3.CB stated in her interview regarding how KB looked in the Safeway video and CB said her Kbs) hair wasn’t fixed.



interesting. first time i've seen all that previously known info together and they can't all be true unless KB got a ride to the store with someone or the neighbor got the times mixed up. thanks!

Try looking at it with the correct time and see what you think.

1. KB entered Safeway 11/22 at 12:05pm and was seen leaving at 12:27 pm
2. Neighbor saw PFs red truck parked at KBs on 11/22 between 12:30-1:00pm
3. PF's truck was parked behind KB's vehicles
4.CB stated in her interview regarding how KB looked in the Safeway video and CB said her Kbs) hair wasn’t fixed.

 

[Dave F.]

Oh interesting place to go. Didn’t her mother say she would never go to the store not made up? IMO!

Her brother CB2 said that, not her mother CB. But then, CB2 actually said KB was just like CB in never going out without a shower and her hair done. He didn't say "made up", which I'm thinking is probably because CB doesn't wear much makeup, if any at all. IMO

 

[Stunned]

Her brother CB2 said that, not her mother CB. But then, CB2 actually said KB was just like CB in never going out without a shower and her hair done. He didn't say "made up", which I'm thinking is probably because CB doesn't wear much makeup, if any at all. IMO

Thanks for the kind reply!

 

[acutename]

Question: If KK gets off lightly, will she be allowed to profit from her crime by writing books and giving interviews? Or is she barred from that?

moo

seems her profits would go to the State or victims:

‘Son of Sam’ statutes: federal and state summary | Freedom Forum Institute

 

[Seattle1]

I haven't seen the word mutilated outside of the context of human or animal death and dismembering etc before.
is this normal legal term??
ie... the phone was mutilated and destroyed. (obliterated smashed desecrated all more give the idea that its something physical that has been broken but
imo unusual wording when it is a side note to a murder that has had limited information released.)
or is it a clue to much more than we know...…
ideas and insights appreciated
moo

Confirmed.

These are statutory words/sentences quoted directly from
Colorado Revised Statutes Title 18 Criminal Code § 18-8-610 Tampering with physical evidence, as referenced in the Complaint.

Colorado Revised Statutes Title 18. Criminal Code § 18-8-610 | FindLaw

 

[jewelsmac]

We are not entitled to the answers to these questions, and we will have some of these answers soon enough.

They are running a tight investigation, and the leaks have been minimal.

That is a good thing.

it is.,. and you’re right, and that’s as it should be....and yet i’m still curious as hell.

 

[acutename]

I disagree.

In my opinion, if she HAD gone to LE and told them PF was soliciting someone to cause harm/murder KB, I believe they would have followed up.

I believed it would have deterred PF from following through and KB would be alive today.

Even *if* LE had not followed through with her complaint it would have been the moral, decent thing for her to do. If I knew someone was trying to solicit me to aid in a killing or even suggested killing a person I would go to LE because it would weigh on my conscience. Its very serious. Its not just a prank - its not like PF said, hey, lets put sugar in her gas tank because I don't like her. This is MURDER. Its serious. Deadly serious. You don't leave that up to chance!

MOO.

it would make a big difference to know exactly what was said and how much detail there was- that would be the difference, IMO, between "idle threats" and actual plans. if there were plans, I would agree with you.

 

[MassGuy]

it is.,. and you’re right, and that’s as it should be....and yet i’m still curious as hell.

We all are!

Two weeks...

 

[Dave F.]

Back at the very start of this case, there were conflicting stories about where and when the child was handed off.

ONE of the stories was that they met up at the market. Another version was that KB dropped her off at the ranchette. And then the 3rd scenario was that he picked her up. We don't know what he told the police.

My point was that just because WE don't know when she left, or who she left with, if anyone, LE knows. JMO

Got your point, but my point was that those were stories, not fact, and certainly not evidence. IMO

 

[katydid23]

I am currently rereading the very 1st thread in this case. Looking for the initial versions of the story. I did just see something interesting. Here is the first time the CBI is noted to be involved:


Also, the new flyer released by the Woodland Park Police Department also lists the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. The previous one did not

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  Dec 8, 2018

 

[jewelsmac]

I think for prosecutors they probably have to ask a lot of questions during voir dire to ensure that potential jurors understand what the word "reasonable" means, and to determine if they understand very basic logic.

If not, boot em'.

I don’t envy them... and shamefully admit i can’t read the phrase “voir dire” without hearing Joe Pesci