CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #36 *ARREST*

[kkdj]

I absolutely think that’s exactly what he did.

Personally, I think he beat her to death.

But I also agree with you on one point, he’s certainly a coward with a dumb haircut.

In front of the child or do you think he took the child elsewhere first? This thought has really been bothering me.

 

[The Saint]

Because her driving to him and helping after the fact is not legally agreeing to commit murder. It just isn’t. You can believe she committed it and was the primary person involved but I don’t. I don’t know of a DA who would lock up and charge the secondary person and give the primary person a class 6 felony deal. It just doesn’t happen. He’s following what the evidence has told him. Evidence the most of which we don’t know yet.

But wasn't KKL solicited 3 times from PF to kill or help kill KB? That has to count for something!

 

[MassGuy]

In front of the child or do you think he took the child elsewhere first? This thought has really been bothering me.

Hard to say.

My feeling is that this happened not long after she returned from the Safeway. If that is the case, the baby would have been there.

That of course, doesn’t mean that the baby saw anything. At the same time, he very well may not have cared either way.

 

[The Saint]

Hah! The Montana mountain men are both on parole now. They are 86 and 53 years of age, respectively. That would make a really cool TV movie "Over-the-Hill Mountain Men, Back to the Wild". Unfortunately, they still can't talk to each other. Part of the parole conditions. IMO

Dave, I think there is more than just 2 guys who have done this.

I have to say, after the Watts case and Berreth case, Colorado looks very beautiful --- the snow capped mountains and riding horses. But a big NO to killing animals.

It is especially sad to think KB was hoping she had found a"Christian rancher"
but instead had found a man who caused her murder.

 

[kkdj]

But wasn't KKL solicited 3 times from PF to kill or help kill KB? That has to count for something!

Right? She knew he was serious about killing KB and did nothing before the fact to thwart his plan.

 

[The Saint]

Hard to say.

My feeling is that this happened not long after she returned from the Safeway. If that is the case, the baby would have been there.

That of course, doesn’t mean that the baby saw anything. At the same time, he very well may not have cared either way.

What do you think was found at the condo that led LE to believe KB was dead?

 

[PrairieWind]

What do you think was found at the condo that led LE to believe KB was dead?

THAT is the $64,000 question! that is key to everything.

 

[MyBelle]

Because her driving to him and helping after the fact is not legally agreeing to commit murder. It just isn’t. You can believe she committed it and was the primary person involved but I don’t. I don’t know of a DA who would lock up and charge the secondary person and give the primary person a class 6 felony deal. It just doesn’t happen. He’s following what the evidence has told him. Evidence the most of which we don’t know yet.

I'll believe the DA gives a sweet, no prison plea deal to KK when I see it but I will continue to criticize him if he does. Back room deals between lawyers in a case that involves premeditated homicide isn't justice for the homicide victim or her family. Why bother with a deal at all? Why not give KK immunity?

You're right, we don't know most of the evidence yet but much of what we do know has come from KK's supporters, not the DA.

JMO

 

[The Saint]

Right? She knew he was serious aboutkillingKB and did nothing before the fact to thwart his plan.

Exactly. Plus her friend M and her bosses the Rs. If I were in the same position and told by my local LE not to do anything, I would assume they are in on it. I would keep telling LE/FBI farther and farther up the chain. I think I would have called KB myself to warn her. Seriously. Who among us wouldn't have done that?
imo

 

[MassGuy]

What do you think was found at the condo that led LE to believe KB was dead?

I think they found blood evidence.

I think it’s possible that PF told KK what happened, and she told law enforcement where to look.

My sense was that they knew exactly what they were looking for on that final search, and they found it.

 

[MyBelle]

Exactly. Plus her friend M and herbosses the Rs. If I were in the same position and told by my local LE not to do anything, I would assume they are in on it. I would keep telling LE/FBI farther and farther up the chain. I think I would have called KB myself to warn her.Seriously. Who among us wouldn't have done that?
imo

Who among us wouldn't have contacted LE when our child was threatened?

 

[PrairieWind]

I think they found blood evidence.

I think it’s possible that PF told KK what happened, and she told law enforcement where to look.

My sense was that they knew exactly what they were looking for on that final search, and they found it.

It seems pretty clear that when they went to her home that Thursday evening that they knew exactly what they were looking for. And I think the DA said something about information obtained from interviews. So I think someone told them what to look for. Who? I don't know.

 

[Seattle1]

Hard to say.

My feeling is that this happened not long after she returned from the Safeway. If that is the case, the baby would have been there.

That of course, doesn’t mean that the baby saw anything. At the same time, he very well may not have cared either way.

After CW, I've learned that you can quickly strangle 3 people without making a hardly a sound or mess, and quickly load bodies into your truck.

I've also thought about the layout of KB's town home, and it would be a steep fall from both the loft, or the stairs to the loft. MOO

 

[The Saint]

THAT is the $64,000 question! that is key to everything.

I have to believe it was brain matter splatter somewhere up high.

I still think it is possible that KB was mortally wounded and wrapped up in an area
rug and taken out of her condo. I don't think PF did it. I think he gave the killer(s)
the key to to KB's condo and PF asked KB to bake something that required her to call her mom and go to Safeway to gettheingredients.

The killer(s) were waiting at Memorial Park (later searched by LE). PF gave them the go aheadand the killer(s) used the key and hid in the condo. KB was ambushed.
PF picked up Baby Girl and split.

Killer(s) took KB away. PF returned for cleanup either later that nght or next day.
imo

 

[The Saint]

It seems pretty clear that when the went to her home that Thursday evening that they knew exactly what they were looking for. And I think the DA said something about information obtained from interviews. So I think someone told them what to look for. Who? I don't know.

Well, this is what I have learned from over 10 years on the crime boards --- don't assume that LE and DAs know what they are doing and will do it.
I trust internet sleuths much more.... and I know that we can make a difference.

 

[MassGuy]

It seems pretty clear that when the went to her home that Thursday evening that they knew exactly what they were looking for. And I think the DA said something about information obtained from interviews. So I think someone told them what to look for. Who? I don't know.

My money is on KK, and that information came second hand (from PF).

If so, it makes this potential plea deal alot more palatable.

If she cooperated to that extent, and helped them find evidence that they otherwise would not have, then that would be quite the contribution.

Ignoring of course, the fact that she could have stopped this damn thing in its tracks, and Kelsey would still be alive.

 

[The Saint]

Occam's Razor says that the motive could simply be PF didn't want to pay child support. But I believe there are other factors, whether it be gambling debts, meth & opioid dealing,tax evasion, falsifying horse or cattle dog bloodlines.
imo

 

[PrairieWind]

I have to believe it was brain matter splatter somewhere up high.

I still think it is possible that KB was mortally wounded and wrapped up in an area
rug and taken out of her condo. I don't PF did it. I think he gave the killer(s)
the key to to KB's condo and PF asked KB to bake something that required her to call her mom and go to Safeway to gettheingredients.

The killer(s) were waiting at Memorial Park (later searched by LE). PF gave them the go aheadand the killer(s) used the key and hid in the condo. KB was ambushed.
PF picked up Baby Girl and split.

Killer(s) took KB away. PF returned for cleanup either later that nght or next day.
imo

This is something that has baffled me. If he had planned this, he would have killed her in a way that would leave no trace. Ie, strangle her. He is a farrier/rancher. He is very strong in his arms and hands. She is petite. It should have been simple and easy and quick. Why would there be a bloody mess? It doesn't make sense. I think he had a plan, but something went very wrong and it all went out the window and everything had to be improvised.

 

[The Saint]

My money is on KK, and that information came second hand (from PF).

If so, it makes this potential plea deal alot more palatable.

If she cooperated to that extent, and helped them find evidence that they otherwise would not have, then that would be quite the contribution.

Ignoring of course, the fact that she could have stopped this damn thing in its tracks, and Kelsey would still be alive.

KKL, her friend M, and M's bosses could have stopped this murder.
imo

 

[The Saint]

This is something that has baffled me. If he had planned this, he would have killed her in a way that would leave no trace. Ie, strangle her. He is a farrier/rancher. He is very strong in his arms and hands. She is petite. It should have been simple and easy and quick. Why would there be a bloody mess? It doesn't make sense. I think he had a plan, but something went very wrong and it all went out the window and everything had to be improvised.

I agree. But, I think it was PF's contracted killer(s) who mucked it up.
I think KB fought back more furiously than they had imagined.
imo