CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #36 *ARREST*

[SandyQLS]

Was KK and Attorney prepared that the sentencing would happen after the trial?

Also, from what we have been reading about the light sentencing KK would receive, it sounded like the judge was giving some strong sentences that he could hand down.
Was the time she would receive not in her plea deal?

In the presser, DA May said the sentencing is up to the judge. So the actual sentence is not a part of her plea deal because in CO it is unknown until later when the judge decides.

Another benefit to the prosecution of delayed sentencing is that KKL will be appearing to testify in PF's trial wearing street clothes and not wearing jail or prison stripes and handcuffed.

 

[susiQ]

Sometimes what people accuse others of is the very thing they themselves are guilty of doing. The R's claimed that KKL told BFF/M that KKL thought PF may have murdered someone before... I do wonder where KKL got that idea from... maybe a soap opera.

True. Narcissists tend to project their own behaviours onto others. PF and KK are a match made in hell.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Those texts came Sunday afternoon, from Idaho. She had to be the one that sent them.

Then why didn’t she have to plead guilty to that too? If KK is as confused as I am about all these legalities she’s bound to screw up and may end up in jail after all. Moo

 

[MassGuy]

Then why didn’t she have to plead guilty to that too? If KK is as confused as I am about all these legalities she’s bound to screw up and may end up in jail after all. Moo

Because she struck a deal.

There were likely several charges that could have been levied against her, but her deal apparently cut that down to a lone charge.

She’s hired good lawyers. Clearly.

 

[ab01]

My hope is that she can handle it and doesn’t derail the case against PF.

Same here! Let us not forget who was ultimately responsible...

 

[k-mac]

I think it is entirely possible that she was the instigator.

I don't think it can be ruled in or out either.
them living interstate apart hopefully means their relationship is heavily phone trailed.
texting better yet deleted texts are LE best friend these days.
we haven't had any info released about the phone interactions….surely they are EXTENSIVE. ??

someone said way back she has pled waaaaaaaaay down and got herself an incredible deal for whatever goods she brings to the table and if she doesn't bring them or they get proven false she is in big big big doggy doo.

imo

 

[tmar]

KK's appearance today, has possibly given the Defence a great deal of ammunition to try to implicate KK into having committed far more, than she has stated.
Just bringing in doubt into PF's case, may sway some jurors.
Instead of being an asset to the Prosecution, there could now be a further trail for the Defence to follow.
MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

KK's appearance today, has possibly given the Defence a great deal of ammunition to try to implicate KK into having committed far more, than she has stated.
Just bringing in doubt into PF's case, may sway some jurors.
Instead of being an asset to the Prosecution, there could now be a further trail for the Defence to follow.
MOO.

If the defense was going to use that tactic, then today’s deal doesn’t change anything.

They’ll just do what they were going to do.

The prosecution didn’t cut a deal with her, just so she could sabotage their case. They know what they are doing, and they apparently believe she is an asset.

Perhaps a tremendous one.

 

[riolove77]

Dan May is the only thing that gives me peace in this matter.

There's just a vibe about him...he's super ethical too, which is always a good sign.

 

[lindaromas]

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District attorney says KL can't break their "agreement." So, there is an agreement. Is this an indicator of a plea deal?

Ok, I'll admit I'm old and my hearing isn't as good as it used to be, could someone please tell me what the press asked at 13:45?

 

[riolove77]

Found the info on the PC around mark 15:46

Presumptive range - presumed what the judge would do in normal circumstances: compare the case to other cases and compare sentences. up to 18 months, probation, or half way house (comcor)

Extraordinary organization- defined under colorado law, can go up to 3 yrs sentence but the judge can still give probation. The sentence is still up to the judge.

Just trying to find out what constitutes extraordinary aggravating factors and it says "no circumstances listed"

So i still don't know what would constitute extraordinary aggravating factors. Except that I am now aggravated...

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/si...riminalJusticeSpecialSentencingIssueBrief.pdf

I think someone else asked this earlier too, or it might have been you...lol. Sorry, I am ducking in whenever I can. The real-life DA world calls today, as much as I wish I could just be a full-time, paid Websleuths attorney. That would be cool, but I digress...

I'm not sure in CO what qualifies as aggravated for a charge like this. It really is going to depend on what facts the judge has before him by the time sentencing comes around. I've not dealt with this particular charge in terms of aggravation. Sorry, that's not helpful at all...

 

[GHgal]

After looking at the video did anyone else think KK kind of looked pregnant? That said, it could have just been the camera angle or the manner in which she was holding her coat in front of her. It is also very possible I am delirious as the kids are home due to a "snow day"

 

[1&2&3]

I don’t think KK will hold up on the witness stand!

Sitting up there, having to look at her idealized lover who has deceived her as to who he is and caused her so much pain as well as ruined her life, will be more than she can take.

Also, the defense lawyer will treat her in the worst possible manner he can get by with, as well as doubting every word she says. He will put her under such pressure she will find it difficult to remember the exact details.

Going along with all this, PF will have told his attorney the story he wants where KK is involved with the murder.

We are in for the trial of the century. He said, she said. KK took a plea as she knew it was her best chance to avoid a long jail sentence.

*This is all my opinion only.*

 

[riolove77]

Sounds logical to me. You never know he might plead guilty and avoid a trial like CW did.
jmo

That would make it easy on KK. He isn't going to give her that courtesy.

 

[Artis]

Because she struck a deal.

There were likely several charges that could have been levied against her, but her deal apparently cut that down to a lone charge.

She’s hired good lawyers. Clearly.

And we can safely deduce that the prosecution, who could have hit her with several charges, in order that she still be fairly punished, even after a plea deal, sucks.

 

[PrairieWind]

Because she struck a deal.

There were likely several charges that could have been levied against her, but her deal apparently cut that down to a lone charge.

She’s hired good lawyers. Clearly.

She has a very good lawyer!

 

[sun16]

After looking at the video did anyone else think KK kind of looked pregnant? That said, it could have just been the camera angle or the manner in which she was holding her coat in front of her. It is also very possible I am delirious as the kids are home due to a "snow day"

I’ll be stunned if that is the case and it is PF’s. I mean really.

 

[Julia966]

Then why didn’t she have to plead guilty to that too? If KK is as confused as I am about all these legalities she’s bound to screw up and may end up in jail after all. Moo

I doubt she's confused at all. She knows what she did and what she knew when, and what she could be up against. She will be well-coached in how to handle a cross-examination.

What *we* don't know is what she did and what she knew when, and how far the prosecution had to stoop for her to say she took a phone to Idaho.

 

[riolove77]

I am sure if she has to testify the defense will destroy her. And I don’t think the DA cares one bit as long as they have PF. If they have good evidence on PF, they won’t care.

Which makes me believe the DA is going to ask for the death penalty. Yes I know no one there has been put to death in CO in years. But PF isn’t going to give up anything so why shouldn’t the DA ask for death row? If the jury says yes, he spends his days on death row, if they say no, he will spend his life in prison anyway. I see this as a win win for the DA.

And they don’t need PF’s assistance anymore. If he wants to be hard nosed and not tell them where Kelsey is, so be it. I wouldn’t waste my time on him.

This is EXACTLY the point of this plea.

 

[UnicornDragon]

I get that KKL looked so hard and defiant in her mug shot, (no one ever looks good in them), but I cannot believe how she showed up rocking the Femme Fatale look in court and in front of the judge. Yikes.

Every photo we see of Kelsey is young, fresh-faced, and earthy. How could her counsel let her come in with all that hair and make-up? Neither did her any favors, by the way. Her hair was flat and dragging down her back and her face looked so pinched and hard with that severe eyeliner.

Anyone else notice how the two women are close in age, but the victim looks like a sweet young thing and the defendant looks like a bitter divorcée. That contrast is not going to help her at sentencing at all.

MOO!

Apparently we have radically different ideas on severe eyeliner because I regularly wear a good deal heavier liner than that. Product of the 90s metal band era, I'll fess up.

Also, as has been mentioned, I don't see the big deal with the coat. It's how I hold mine if I'm not wearing it, keeps it off the ground and out of the way. If it's the FB gossip session, well...

Do I like her? Not in the least.

Am I going to join in the bashing parade - no. Because in the end, her minor children are victims also. Just because their mother didn't think of it first doesn't mean I shouldn't think of their end results also.

Same way I don't think moving Baby K to Washington then to Idaho was perhaps in her best interest. How well does she know the B family? It's a lot of instability for any child and I'm not sure it was handled the best by those people who are not at present time charged with any criminal action.