CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #36 *ARREST*

[nwmouse]

You know, even if she didn't go the police, the least that she could have done was to at least warn Kelsey of his plans to kill her, even if she did so anonymously. I wonder how many times since Kelsey was murdered, that this has haunted her, or does it? It boggles my mind that she knew what he wanted- Kelsey dead, and not only didn't try to stop it from happening, but she told her best friend instead, who thankfully told her employers. At least they came forward.

IMO I don't believe KK is haunted about what happened to poor KB.

I think she came forward because she had to and is merely trying to save her own hide.

People who are really haunted with regret for what they've done would go straight to the police, tell them what they had done and accept the repercussions for their actions.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

In the PC did he say that Kelsey was murdered on or about the 22nd??????? I hope that's not what I heard but what that means is she never got the chance to spend her Thanksgiving with her daughter as we suspected.

But she spoke to her mom by phone on the morning of the 24th. And surely her Mom recognizes if it was her daughter or not.

 

[katydid23]

You know, even if she didn't go the police, the least that she could have done was to at least warn Kelsey of his plans to kill her, even if she did so anonymously. I wonder how many times since Kelsey was murdered, that this has haunted her, or does it? It boggles my mind that she knew what he wanted- Kelsey dead, and not only didn't try to stop it from happening, but she told her best friend instead, who thankfully told her employers. At least they came forward.

She never warned Kelsey, imo, because she secretly hoped she would disappear herself.

 

[SandyQLS]

Can you tell me what the press asked around 13:45. My hearing isn't the best.

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@lindaromas

I started at 12:03 to 16:++ This is just brief paraphrasing and not a real transcription. hth

DA- ...KK recieved a summons, not arrested, fingerprints and photo yesterday

Q- What was KK's demeanor in court today?

DA- You saw as much as I did, not a part of court record, I cannot answer

Q- Was KK threatened by PF?

DA- Again not a part of today's court record, I cannot answer that

Q- Assuming she testifies and meets requirements, will your office put in a good word for her at sentencing?

DA- The sentence is up to the judge. Both sides, her attorney and our office, will have recommendations to the judge, plus a pre-sentencing report.

Q- How would you personally describe this case?

DA- We all hoped early on KB was just missing, but as the case progressed, this is a tragedy.

Q- Aggravating factors for KK's charge?

DA- (explains CO law, sentencing scheme)

 

[riolove77]

I don’t think KK will hold up on the witness stand!

Sitting up there, having to look at her idealized lover who has deceived her as to who he is and caused her so much pain as well as ruined her life, will be more than she can take.

Also, the defense lawyer will treat her in the worst possible manner he can get by with, as well as doubting every word she says. He will put her under such pressure she will find it difficult to remember the exact details.

Going along with all this, PF will have told his attorney the story he wants where KK is involved with the murder.

We are in for the trial of the century. He said, she said. KK took a plea as she knew it was her best chance to avoid a long jail sentence.

*This is all my opinion only.*

If she knows what's good for her, she will hold up on the witness stand. She has a looooot of time to be prepped by her lawyers and the DA.

 

[riolove77]

And we can safely deduce that the prosecution, who could have hit her with several charges, in order that she still be fairly punished, even after a plea deal, sucks.

I don't think the prosecution sucks. There is no basis for saying that. We don't know anything about their case.

 

[MyBelle]

This is where I'm at too. She knew what she was doing and everyone knows it, but they don't have what they need to convict PF so they are using the only thing they can.
jmo

If they need her testimony to convict then they must not have much solid evidence and that concerns me because the jury is not going to like KK any more than the posters on this forum like her. I don't follow social media but I imagine there already are PF "fan clubs" popping up. They'll have a field day with KK long before trial ever starts.

At least prison is still on the table and the rumor KK was going to receive no prison time today has been put to rest.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 718]

But she spoke to her mom by phone on the morning of the 24th. And surely her Mom recognizes if it was her daughter or not.

Thanksgiving was on the 22nd. That's the last time mom and daughter spoke.

 

[Steelslady]

But she spoke to her mom by phone on the morning of the 24th. And surely her Mom recognizes if it was her daughter or not.

Well, Kelsey might have had a cold *cough cough*.

 

[riolove77]

ok, i'm in left field this afternoon but all the comments of KK maybe being pregnant got me thinking if she is and the fetus proves to be PF & KK unborn and they decide to get married soon, how would Marital privilege play into this case? for the life of me i can not pin down the implications. would that mean neither could be required to testify against the other?

That would be a hell of a twist. Technically, yes, they wouldn't be required. But she has agreed to testify, meaning she has no intention of marrying him and invoking that privilege. To do so would NOT be in her best interest, and I think KK is looking out for KK.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

https://twitter.com/lancebenzel/status/1093901088430964736
Kenney just walked out of the courtroom, her lawyer at her side. Said nothing on her way out. @csgazette #Frazee

Clayton Sandell on Twitter
Krystal is now in tears as she admits her role to the judge. #KelseyBerreth

Boohoo. She's probably upset about her mugshot going viral.

 

[Lhughessk]

But if KK had done the decent thing and gone to the police she would have been protected and KB would still be alive.
I don't think PF would have dared to harm KK's children if he knew she'd filed a police report.
He's a bully, but all bullies are cowards.
MOO

I could not disagree with you more strongly, respectfully. I don’t know what your life experiences have been, but by and large the police are reactive rather than proactive. I say that not as a criticism but simply as reality. I even had a police officer lecture me for half an hour one day about that very topic, when I was trying to get him to do something about my ex.

There are many stories of women murdered after they went to the police. After restraining orders were issued. If she had gone to the police in Idaho, here is what I believe would’ve happened. They would’ve filed a report . Then maybe, just maybe, they would’ve actually gotten in touch with police in Colorado. And someone would’ve recognized his last name and connected him to his brother-in-law enforcement and his uncle in law enforcement. Or someone would recognize that he’s a farrier Who is always done good work for them or their parents or whoever. He couldn’t possibly be guilty of what this strange woman up in Idaho is accusing him of, could he? But they would get in touch with him. What would that accomplish? It would be he said she said. Only now he would know what KK did. And some bullies are not cowards. Some bullies keep on going until someone actually stops them. And if he was feeling outraged enough, who knows If he might flip his lid and take out both women instead of just one. Just my opinion.

 

[MassGuy]

If they need her testimony to convict then they must not have much solid evidence and that concerns me because the jury is not going to like KK any more than the posters on this forum like her. I don't follow social media but I imagine there already are PF "fan clubs" popping up. They'll have a field day with KK long before trial ever starts.

At least prison is still on the table and the rumor KK was going to receive no prison time today has been put to rest.

JMO

Needing her testimony, doesn’t mean that they don’t already have a solid case against him; the more evidence, the better.

The rumor wasn’t that she would receive no prison time, it was that there was going to be a plea deal today.

That’s exactly what happened, as most of us expected. We knew this was coming.

It’s entirely possible that she receives no prison time as a result of this. Atleast she can help nail this guy.

 

[nwmouse]

I could not disagree with you more strongly, respectfully. I don’t know what your life experiences have been, but by and large the police are reactive rather than proactive. I say that not as a criticism but simply as reality. I even had a police officer lecture me for half an hour one day about that very topic, when I was trying to get him to do something about my ex.

There are many stories of women murdered after they went to the police. After restraining orders were issued. If she had gone to the police in Idaho, here is what I believe would’ve happened. They would’ve filed a report . Then maybe, just maybe, they would’ve actually gotten in touch with police in Colorado. And someone would’ve recognized his last name and connected him to his brother-in-law enforcement and his uncle in law enforcement. Or someone would recognize that he’s a farrier Who is always done good work for them or their parents or whoever. He couldn’t possibly be guilty of what this strange woman up in Idaho is accusing him of, could he? But they would get in touch with him. What would that accomplish? It would be he said she said. Only now he would know what KK did. And some bullies are not cowards. Some bullies keep on going until someone actually stops them. And if he was feeling outraged enough, who knows If he might flip his lid and take out both women instead of just one. Just my opinion.

Respectfully, what PF did was ask KK to be complicit in a crime of MURDER.
That is very, very serious.

He didn't ask her to help prank KB, by putting sugar in her gas tank, graffiti her home or stab her tires!

Murder is a most serious crime and I believe LE would have taken it very seriously because if they hadn't, the onus would fall upon them for not acting.

Edited to add: I have been in the unfortunate position of being involved with a bully and when I finally reported his actions to LE he backed off very fast.

MOO

 

[InvSmith]

But she spoke to her mom by phone on the morning of the 24th. And surely her Mom recognizes if it was her daughter or not.

I see you are talking about the 24th. I don't think so because her mom was starting to look for her on social media then based memory only.

 

[susiQ]

Why? I am most certainly NOT hoping she fails as a prosecution witness, thereby helping PF...

I certainly see your point. I do. My thoughts are she is so much more involved than she would like the public to think and I have NO problem with everyone seeing who she REALLY is. That's all.

 

[MsJosie]

It the DA suggested at the presser there may be more involved. Forget the wording.

I still believe that is possible....waiting...waiting..

 

[riolove77]

I think some people truly believe that the prosecution is getting the raw end of the deal with this plea agreement, but I really do not believe this to be the case.

I think the fact that KK was quickly located and taken in shows that they've had her from the get go; I think they laid out for her exactly what they could and would do to her if she didn't cooperate, and I think that's why she did. I do not believe this woman has a moral compass or a heart, I don't think she talked because she felt bad. She only talked because she knew what the alternative was.

I also believe they have the phone and purse. I think KK has been pinpointing where the body could be, as I believe that is the only reason they would search a landfill; landfill searches can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and usually are not done for things like a purse or phone.

This broad has been talking since the first day LE approached her. Whatever she gave them made them certain enough of KK's death and PF's involvement that they were able to arrest him on 12/21 without a body. They've been hanging onto her since then, weeks and weeks and weeks of negotiations...she gives them a bit, they verify it, then move on to the next.

This is not a blind plea deal where KK said, yeah well I know some things, and I'll tell you what they are at trial if you give me a deal. LE and the DA already know absolutely everything they need, and it's all been verified, and only then was she allowed to actually plea to the charge they gave her.

DA May sounds like an ultra ethical, super on-top-of-it DA; I am excited to see what he delivers on 2/19. Hopefully people will be a tad less upset, but I do understand why the outrage today. She's disgusting.

 

[Lhughessk]

Respectfully, what PF did was ask KK to be complicit in a crime of MURDER.
That is very, very serious.

He didn't ask her to help prank KB, by putting sugar in her gas tank, graffiti her home or stab her tires.

Murder is a most serious crime and I believe LE would have taken it very seriously because if they hadn't, the onus would fall upon them for not acting.

MOO

She didn’t have proof. And she Apparently did not have the faith in law-enforcement that you do. Or her trust in them was trumped by her fear of the person you yourself called a bully and a control freak. JMO

 

[riolove77]

I certainly see your point. I do. My thoughts are she is so much more involved than she would like the public to think and I have NO problem with everyone seeing who she REALLY is. That's all.

I agree that she is, but she's not more involved than he is...and I don't want to risk the prosecution of him. He's behind this and I have no doubt he went into that condo, looked the mother of his child in the eyes, and murdered her in cold blood. The DA only gets one shot.