CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[Dave F.]

Well they certainly were not helping the investigation in any way.
MOO

In broad daylight, driving an ancient 4 cyl Toyota full of horseshoes and equipment, it's a sure bet that a high speed chase wasn't in his getaway plan. IMO

 

[Lhughessk]

I doubt they were going on an impromptu 'vacation' at 5 am in the morning (or however early it was). moo

These are ranchers. Early morning chores. If they were fleeing I think LE would have found evidence of such in the vehicles and would have made sure the public knew about it (a la Scott Peterson with the dyed hair and lots of cash). And if it had been clear to them that SF was in the midst of helping PF escape, I think they would have found a reason to arrest her, too, that morning, if only for a bit. But they didn’t. Much more likely that these ranch people were doing morning chores.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Ma F harbored PF, with held Baby K from Kelsey's family. Plus We have to wonder where they were fleeing to when PF,was arrested. Where were they going to hide PF,and Baby K? Do you think they wouldn't still be hiding,and keeping baby K,and PF away from Kelsey's family if they had gotten away, before LE caught them?
MOO

I never really considered that they were fleeing. My first thought, and I thought to this day, is that they were told to meet up and that they were headed to a meeting and they were intercepted. I think that happens in many cases m o o

I truly will be shocked if the documents say that they thought they were trying to flee versus trying to meet up and turn themselves in Etc like Idaho nurse did or such through an attorney.

 

[Aydrianna523]

A lot of bias in your wording and your version of what happened, IMO. “Harboring” normally has a negative connotation of holding something in secret. SF did nothing wrong in allowing her own son to continue living there. She only even became aware of the murder in early December, and he was arrested on Dec. 21. That is 2-1/2 weeks of your “harboring” and “withholding”. And “fleeing”? Come on now.

In a national interview, CB was asked if she was going to try to see K. She paused and said, “I don’t know.” So as far as we know, unless you have a link otherwise, she did not make contact with PF’s family to even try to see K. And I don’t blame either side for not reaching out during that very short window of time. Emotions were high, it was unclear what was happening on the LE side, and there was no court order in place yet. One WAS put into place before the end of the month, so the span of time that KB’s family went without seeing K was minimal, certainly when compared to the fact that they now have her for every moment of every day. I’ve never heard them complain about how PF’s family handled things. Only folks here.

PF’s family are victims too. His mother probably had few cares in the world, was winding down and maybe thinking of retiring and enjoying grand babies. Now she has a murderer for a son. JMO

I've heard it said that sf withheld the baby, but I don't know if it's a fact. I don't know how close the grandparents were, either. Maybe it was strained... or not. They were all in the thick of a huge situation so I'm sure the B's were getting advice on what to do as far as seeing baby k. It does seemthat it would be scary having PF accessible to baby k during the time before he was arrested.

 

[Lhughessk]

Well they certainly were not helping the investigation in any way.
MOO

What, in your opinion, could they or should they have done, that you know for a fact they didn’t do?

 

[Mauig’ma]

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[ajaylee]

This is one issue that confounds me. I have known many ex BF's, some from as far back as junior high, not one would ever approach me to conspire in a murder or even think I would have anything to do with it.

If a "friend" ever asked me to do something like "Here is a cell phone, turn it on at home, then throw it away.". No. Never.

Which makes me think that KK knew far more, in advance, and may have been more involved in the planning process...and that is scary. Anyone that screwed up should be charged and in prison.

Like all of us here, I've given this a lot of thought.

I think he probably started it as a half-joke: "This woman is ruining my life. I wish someone would get rid of her. Why don't you do it and then we can be together?"

That would have planted the idea - and the 'benefits'.

I also think he asked KK because he wanted her to use her nursing skills, probably a syringe. Minimal mess to clean up and as a nurse, KK has given plenty of injections in her time.

 

[Elley Mae]

Phone of missing Colorado mother pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News

December 5, 2018

Woodland Park Police tell EastIdahoNews.com Berreth’s phone was pinged near Gooding, Idaho sometime on Nov. 25.
....

First article I could find that phone pinged.

10-11 days after phone pinged it was reported.

 

[Lhughessk]

I've heard it said that sf withheld the baby, but I don't know if it's a fact. I don't know how close the grandparents were, either. Maybe it was strained... or not. They were all in the thick of a huge situation so I'm sure the B's were getting advice on what to do as far as seeing baby k. It does seemthat it would be scary having PF accessible to baby k during the time before he was arrested.

Your last sentence is an extremely good point. CB and her family clearly already suspected PF. As much as they wanted to see K, it was unwise to be anywhere near his vicinity. They knew an arrest was coming sooner than later and smartly waited it out, IMO.

 

[mickey2942]

Like all of us here, I've given this a lot of thought.

I think he probably started it as a half-joke: "This woman is ruining my life. I wish someone would get rid of her. Why don't you do it and then we can be together?"

That would have planted the idea - and the 'benefits'.

I also think he asked KK because he wanted her to use her nursing skills, probably a syringe. Minimal mess to clean up and as a nurse, KK has given plenty of injections in her time.

I still can't wrap my head around that. Men are a dime a dozen. Why get involved in a murder to get a man? And PF doesn't seem like a prize to me.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Temporary custody of Baby K is being decided by an unemotionally biased Juvenile Court and GAL. They have decided it is in baby K's best interest to be with CB and the B family right now.

They would not have made that decision lightly, as Baby K did reside physically a large majority of the time with PF and the F family since birth. Both the Judge and GAL thought it best to allow CB and B family to physically relocate the baby to ID and take her out of the proximity to familiar surroundings and people. That speaks volumes to me and I'm thrilled the B family prevailed.

I don't believe SF was unknowing <to what extent IDK> as to what was going on in her own home. Hopefully as more information is revealed, we'll know just how much she did know.

moo

 

[Elley Mae]

What, in your opinion, could they or should they have done, that you know for a fact they didn’t do?

This.

He has not made any public appeals for information which could lead to finding her, and his absence was glaring at Monday's press conference.

Fiancé of missing Colorado mother refuses to take part in press conference appealing for information | Daily Mail Online

 

[SandyQLS]

To posts about the exact language in KKL's plea in court on Friday ...

ADA Viehma (sp?) asked toward the end about suppressing KKL's written statement and an exhibit A attachment, which the judge granted.

Checking CO courts, KKL's case is not updated, no new document for 2/8/19.

Colorado Judicial Branch - Teller - Cases of Interest - People v. Krystal Jean Kenney

Our own super PommyMommy has media links in the media thread, but no official document either.

It's so frustrating with sealing and suppression. I know I would like to read exactly what KKL admitted to ON Dec 22.

 

[lindaromas]

I think the defense could oppose the unsealing of the arrest warrant prior to the preliminary hearing. Since we’re so close to that hearing anyway, I would be surprised if the judge rules to unseal before that hearing has been held.

I'm wondering how long it takes for the judge to decide.....

Sam Kraemer TV
19 hrs ·
An FYI — A lot of you have asked about why documents are still sealed in the Kelsey Berreth case, especially after DA Dan May’s presser yesterday. KOAA 5 has filed a motion to unseal those documents. It’s focused on the arrest (probable cause) affidavit, which should show the evidence police gathered to charge Patrick Frazee with murder.#KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney



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[AgeofAquaruis]

What, in your opinion, could they or should they have done, that you know for a fact they didn’t do?

Allow LE to search property, speak up in defences of Kelsey, help search for her, stop coddling PF.
Tell LE what they know. Where PF was, most importantly where was Baby ?
During the time her Mommy was murdered,and the clean up,and cover up happened.
Where was Baby K?

What, in your opinion, could they or should they have done, that you know for a fact they didn’t do?

They could have helped find Kelsey. They did nothing. Could have spoken up on behalf of Kelsey when her name,and reputation was being raked through the mud. Yet did nothing.
They did nothing on behalf of Kelsey,or Baby K.
Nothing. The wagons were circled around PF yet nowhere to found on behalf of Kelsey,and Baby K.
One must ask where was PF while Kelsey was murdered. Where was PF for the clean up?
Why did they not help in the search for Kelsey?
Why was LE forced to get search warrants, every step of the way?

 

[Lhughessk]

This.

He has not made any public appeals for information which could lead to finding her, and his absence was glaring at Monday's press conference.

Fiancé of missing Colorado mother refuses to take part in press conference appealing for information | Daily Mail Online

We weren’t talking about HIM. Lol.

 

[Lhughessk]

Allow LE to search property, speak up in defences of Kelsey, help search for her, stop coddling PF.
Tell LE what they know. Where PF was, most importantly where was Baby ?
During the time her Mommy was murdered,and the clean up,and cover up happened.
Where was Baby K?

They could have helped find Kelsey. They did nothing. Could have spoken up on behalf of Kelsey when her name,and reputation was being raked through the mud. Yet did nothing.
They did nothing on behalf of Kelsey,or Baby K.
Nothing. The wagons were circled around PF yet nowhere to found on behalf of Kelsey,and Baby K.
One must ask where was PF while Kelsey was murdered. Where was PF for the clean up?
Why did they not help in the search for Kelsey?
Why was LE forced to get search warrants, every step of the way?

I’ve already addressed what you said. The property search, and everything else. As for searching for KB, there was no search going on by anyone, LE or otherwise. You’d have to narrow down the search parameters first.

So other than what we have already discussed, what could SF and the rest of PF’s family have done, that they didn’t do?

 

[mickey2942]

I wonder if LE has a lot more detailed information than what has been released. Especially as PF has been held without a bail amount.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

In broad daylight, driving an ancient 4 cyl Toyota full of horseshoes and equipment, it's a sure bet that a high speed chase wasn't in his getaway plan. IMO

I never thought they would try a high speed chase, but I sure do think they must have known an arrest was coming, and would have tried to Hide Baby K,and keep her from Kelsey's family before LE arrived.
I could be wrong, but the actions up to that point by one side tell me otherwise.
MOO.

 

[Kapua]

Grammatically, I think "pleaded" is correct, although "pled" is commonly used.
I'm curious to know the answer to the rest of your question, as well.

I had to check. According to Merriam-Webster online, either pleaded, pled, or plead is correct. Here's the link:
Definition of PLEAD