CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[InvSmith]

Sure, PF drops Baby K on her, the Mother, KB, NEVER calls to see how she is doing, and PF's Mother is like, hmmm, whatever...NOT!

PF's Mother had to know something, and chose, as so many women do, to just ignore the disconnect.

And KK had to have had several talks with PF, in the planning process of KB "missing". Definitely, he didn't just randomly drop off the cell phone and ask her to send a few text messages. She knew EXACTLY what was going on, and she was part of the process. I hope she gets a prison sentence.

If memory serves me right, CB started searching for KB by 11/23 on social media and contacts. I am not sure how a parent lives through this pain but you certainly do not won't to give them more.

 

[Steelhead]

BBM and snipped.

Most spouse killers know that they need to try to act like they care to pull off the crime. I don't think many of them succeed because you are right. PF decided to forego the charade entirely. That was just one of a number of hugely stupid mistakes he made.

I don't think it really matters how they act. As we've seen both extremes with CW and PF. They still ended up getting caught.

 

[MyBelle]

Where is it stated that the Frazees withheld baby K from her maternal grandmother?

It didn't need to be stated. CB was asked the question at the press conference and gave a vague response.....the same press conference where nobody in the Frazee family bothered to show up.

JMO

 

[tmar]

bbm ita agree that is a big possibility and I only hope that PF becomes/is so angry that he spills the beans if that is true and KK did have much more to do with it all. He has got to be really stewing in his own juices right now after Friday's hearing. Who knows what could happen on the 19th? Anything at this point, even from PF, wouldn't surprise me. If he believes he's going down for life regardless, he may just decide take people with him. moo

Noetic, I agree.
PF is livid. He trusted KK with his actions and now she has turned on him.
I also think he'll produce a great deal of info to implicate KK, far more than she is admitting.
Who knows if he or she is to be believed.
Hoping evidence will help here.
MOO.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

…PF's Mother had to know something, and chose, as so many women do, to just ignore the disconnect...

We have no idea what PF was telling his mother and family about KB. He could have been telling them that she was on drugs, unstable and has done this type of thing in the past. That's what I assume he was doing. I think that PF is used to lying and manipulating everyone (especially the women) in his life.

JMO.

 

[SandyQLS]

I think that when all is said and done, there will only be two people implicated in crimes here.

Enough time has passed that I think if any further arrests were going to occur, they would have happened.

As to the vest, I think it’s simply a matter of someone threatening him in jail. It coincided with him being moved to protective custody.

An inmate could have threatened him, and said something like “I have people who can take you out.” That would be more than enough to spur the type of reaction we saw.

I’m not reading too much into that.

I did catch that KKL is required to be available to testify in cases. It was clearly plural. I wonder if it is PF's criminal and civil cases, or if there are other criminal cases we don't know about.

 

[MassGuy]

I did catch that KKL is required to be available to testify in cases. It was clearly plural. I wonder if it is PF's criminal and civil cases, or if there are other criminal cases we don't know about.

My guess is that it was standard language, and protects the prosecution from running into issues regarding her testifying in any and all criminal cases that involve this particular crime.

Someone who has cut a deal, couldn’t turn around and say “we only made a deal for me to testify in this one trial.”

I don’t think it’s a sign that more indictments are on the horizon.

 

[MassGuy]

We have no idea what PF was telling his mother and family about KB. He could have been telling them that she was on drugs, unstable and has done this type of thing in the past. That's what I assume he was doing. I think that PF is used to lying and manipulating everyone (especially the women) in his life.

JMO.

That’s definitely possible.

We just don’t know enough to make a determination about her.

 

[InvSmith]

BBM. That's PF's former lawyer's laughable claim. CB managed to make it just fine.....and so did the Denver news media.

JMO

What exactly did he have going on? I do not even know KB and I dropped everything to listen to the news conference literally on the East Coast at work. It's the mother of your child; move your tail.

 

[Kapua]

My guess is that it was standard language, and protects the prosecution from running into issues regarding her testifying in any and all criminal cases that involve this particular crime.

Someone who has cut a deal, couldn’t turn around and say “we only made a deal for me to testify in this one trial.”

I don’t think it’s a sign that more indictments are on the horizon.

Girlfriend needs to walk the line, IMHO.

 

[Kapua]

Do you think after the arrest warrant info and a hint of evidence is released, a big name attorney may step in, even pro bono, for PF's defense? I have had a feeling all along that the next generation F Lee Bailey, Cochrane/Kardashian, L Abramson, Geragos, Jose Baez, will appear to make a name for himself or herself. I wonder if the bigger guns and media hounds have not stepped up because they need to see some glimmer of this sealed evidence before they can weigh the cost/benefit to themselves.

I would bet the rent on it. MOO

 

[Artis]

This was filed before she accepted the plea deal.

Some experts took it as a sign that she might back out of the deal, but of course, she ultimately accepted it.

I'm a few pages back so don't know if this has been addressed but, does the fact that she took the plead deal indicate that she was granted all of those demands?

 

[Aydrianna523]

How do we know KK did NOT spend Thanksgiving with her children? Thanksgiving was on Nov. 22. Her charges note the dates Nov. 24-25.

JMO

Yes, and were her kids with her on the 24th and 25th? We want to protect the kids from being under the microscope, but it is curious. CO is a long trip.

 

[InvSmith]

That’s definitely possible.

We just don’t know enough to make a determination about her.

Sure we do. We don't know him either but we all are born with skills of discernment. There is not one report of him being abused by KB. There is not one report of him being cheated on by KB. There is not one report of her committing a homicide in his home. She has not been arrested. She has not been charged. He has. SHE is not on trial. HE is. WE know that much. WE can discern the victim.

 

[MassGuy]

Sure we do. We don't know him either but we all are born with skills of discernment. There is not one report of him being abuse by KB. There is one report of him being cheated on by KB. There is not one report of her committing a homicide in his home. She has been arrested. She has been charged. He has. SHE is not on trial. HE is. WE know that much. WE can discern the victim.

Sure. I’m referring to PF’s mother though, and what she knew about the whole situation.

We can make guesses, but we don’t know what PF was telling her about KB.

PF lived separately from KB, and his mother would not be privy to the true nature of their relationship.

He could have been feeding her lies, and she might have believed them.

It’s also possible that his mother just didn’t like KB.

We don’t know.

 

[Aydrianna523]

LE haven't made everything "public" so maybe they wouldn't have. And I don't think they were doing 'chores' at 5 am or whatever time, with a baby. moo

I missed out on the 5 am arrest ...

 

[tmar]

IMO CB was advised to not contact the Frazee's. I think things needed to be low key until PF's arrest and LE had Baby K safely away from him. Keep in mind LE has information way before we do and when a child is involved they plan for the safety of the child.

Perhaps LE had advised CB, (very early on) that they suspect PF, requesting that CB follows their ideas, not to rattle PF (as in the Laura Wallen case).
In this way, there would be no pressure exerted about the child, being in PF's and SF's care.
MOO.

 

[katydid23]

- PF was arrested around 8-8:30AM on Friday Dec 21, 2018, at the beginning of a very long Christmas weekend that ran through Tuesday Dec 25.

We have no idea where they were going, out to breakfast, on a trip to see family, last minute Christmas shopping, or fleeing.

But weren't they in 2 cars?

 

[MemPat]

I shouldn’t be asking these questions before the evidence comes out but I’m struggling with a few things. What is it about the relationship with KK that makes PF think he could solicit her for murder in the first place and be confident that she wouldn’t report him. Was KK coincidentally in town on Thanksgiving when KB was killed? Or did she drop everything to drive 800 miles just to help him “move the phone”?

Something isn’t adding up to me, regarding her charges vs the appearance of the circumstances. I think @MassGuy is right and she’s probably more involved than they have evidence to prove.

P.S. congratulations massguy on the super bowl win.

Does anyone know whether KK had pre-approved time off for the extended Thanksgiving holiday or if she just called in sick?

 

[MassGuy]

Does anyone know whether KK had pre-approved time off for the extended Thanksgiving holiday or if she just called in sick?

We don’t know about her work schedule.

All we know is that she texted her employer to tell her that she would need the upcoming week off.

I think the implication is that she was scheduled to work at some point during that time, as there obviously would be no other reason to “text out sick.”