CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[nwmouse]

I might agree, except that PF was the one running around for the few months before killing KB telling people that they weren't together, that KB was a drug addict, that she had abandoned her child several times, had gone off before, etc. That story wasn't circulated by KK.

BBM:
What?? PF was telling people KB was a drug addict? Yikes, I didn't hear about that?

moo

 

[MassGuy]

I am having a hard time believing that KKL just "recently" found out about the baby. Or whose baby does she believe she is holding in these ranch pictures?
https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/krystal-jean-lee-kenney-idaho/

I tried to search for the non-blurred one without succeeding (it was not yet blurred when the first news/videos came out about the mistress), but the baby reminded me a lot of baby KB also back then. To me it also seems that the main photo could be a KKL family photo, on which the baby is not present in.

Just IMO. MOO.

Yeah. That is complete and utter BS.

He was making absolutely no effort to conceal the fact that he had a baby.

He didn’t appear to be making any effort to conceal his relationship with Kelsey.

“Implausible deniability” ain’t a thing.

Give me a break. She knew.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Your great questioning would have MS stuttering, and wishing to leave.
Perhaps the questions are bland, so MS comes back for more, and her friends follow, all done for ratings.
MOO.

Let them supply the rope these idiots are Hell bent on accepting.

 

[nwmouse]

What if he committed a perfect murder and left no other evidence? He could get away with it and she would be in jeopardy. Not sure if that crossed her mind when she decided to go through with it. I'd like to know what other pros did she find as justification.

There's no such thing as a perfect murder, especially when you've been soliciting others to help with that murder.
MOO

 

[susiQ]

In the scenario of threats of violence against children or blackmail, I would still go to the police.

Exactly, but KK didn't. The question remains, WHY?

Those of us who have children and grandchildren cannot imagine NOT going to police if someone threatened harm to them. In fact some of us said, they'd better hope LE got to them first.

And as you say, it would be unconscionable under any circumstance, threat of harm or blackmail, given what he was asking of her, to help in the cover-up of the murder of an innocent woman. Regardless if she did not assist in the actual murder, her foreknowledge and lack of action leaves her with KB's blood on her hands.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

It’s not hard to say “no,” or “I don’t know.”

I don’t think she didn’t answer because she didn’t want to go there, I think she didn’t answer because of what the implication would be:

That KK wasn’t truly scared of him.

ITA. Also KK just as horrible as PF.

 

[Artis]

Maybe. maybe not.

If PF killed KB without bloodshed and didn't dismember her, there's wouldn't be much clean-up. He wouldn't even have to worry about fingerprints because he was a regular visitor. He could have killed her, popped Baby K in the cab and KB in the pickup bed, taken Baby K home to mom and gone off to dispose of KB's body.

I would be somewhat surprised if he hadn't figured out where he was going to leave KB's body ahead of time.

I suspect that when KK said PF was truly 'evil', it was because she saw a side of him that she hadn't seen before. From what the admittedly unreliable R's said, there was one exchange between PF and KK that really shook her - he got vicious in a way she hadn't witnessed before. I suspect that's when he may have threatened her kids and yes, she would have considered any threat to her kids 'evil'.

I wonder when the tough cowgirl decided that PF was evil. Would be when he first floated the idea of her murdering Kelsey? The second time? The third? When it actually went down (and who knows how)? Maybe when she got busted? MOO, of course, but I think she got off on his sociopathic personality.

 

[heartgoesout]

My one and only problem with the "fear" story, is this;
Lets say I was so terrified for my life and the life of my children that I felt I had no other choice than to do what PF asked. My primary loyalty is to my kids and protecting them. I would do anything for them.

So I do what he asks, because now I am even more terrified, he has already killed one woman (KB). I take the phone and i do what he says and drive it to Idaho.

If i was so terrified, I know he has killed once. There is no question I'm not safe even if I do what he asks re the phone. So I drive and take that phone to the nearest major police station and tell them everything I know.

She had everything to gain by going to LE, after she had the phone. Protection from the person she apparently feared the most. Protection for her kids. He wasn't holding anyone hostage until she completed her task. Maybe LE wouldn't have believed the solicitation stuff, but KK had KB's phone and the police would not be able to find KB.

That she didn't go to LE after she had the phone, is the nail in the coffin for me. Can't wait to hear how she answers that when the defense team grills her.

Exactly. No way a jury believes her fear story. But...
she is not on trial. He is.
So she can cry all she wants on the stand and a jury doesn't have to believe her, but it doesn't matter... just because they don't believe her doesn't mean they don't believe PF did it.
And if they don't believe PF did it and she did, welp, they are not her jury and they both get off.

 

[MassGuy]

There's no such thing as a perfect murder, especially when you've been soliciting others to help with that murder.
MOO

Exactly. The second he made an attempt to bring someone else on board, he all but doomed his plan.

It appears that he involved KK to such an extent, that she alone can bury him.

One person leaves evidence behind.

Two people leave a mountain.

 

[nwmouse]

Glad to know someone else agrees that there MAY be a missing link with all of this so far. I can understand PF being separated from the general population in the county jail due to high profile case, etc... CW was (but then he also murdered his own kids)....but wearing a bullet proof vest out to a custody hearing??? Something just doesn't sit right with me about that. It could be nothing more that LE playing it safe... or playing it safe because there MAY be something more.

Totally agree with you @BingoBongo .... there is at least one surprise coming. Hopefully by Feb 19th.

I don't think there's any conspiracy behind why PF is wearing a BP vest.
This DA is crossing all his T's and dotting all his I's.
Once a guy’s in handcuffs, you’re responsible for his health and safety because he can’t take care of himself.
Having him get shot whilst under the care of LE is just bad allround.
They probably want to take every precaution, as this a high profile case. They don't want another case like Jeffrey Doucet who was shot by his victim's father whilst in custody.

MOO

 

[Artis]

If someone threatened my kids, NO WAY am I ever going anywhere near them, ever again. And they'd be lucky if I didn't tell a few burly friends about the threats.
Hard to believe that she was so scared for her kids lives---and yet she drove 800 miles to spend Turkey Day with him.

And this is why we know the story is bovine excrement.

 

[ajaylee]

I'll get flamed for this, but as someone who knows firsthand that restraining orders often aren't worth the paper they're written on, I can understand KK's fears more than I can understand why the R's or MS kept their mouths shut.

The Rs didn't even know Frazee, had never met him. I don't know if MS had ever met him. Why didn't they speak up? They weren't on PF's radar, they didn't even live in Colorado. PF hadn't threatened their families because he didn't even know them.

 

[MyBelle]

One does not have to twist MS’ words in that CBS interview, in order to reach the conclusion that PF and KK were involved in a sexual relationship.

Her reluctance to answer that question, said quite a bit.

yes, it did say quite a bit.

 

[heartgoesout]

There's no such thing as a perfect murder, especially when you've been soliciting others to help with that murder.
MOO

He's charged with 3 solicitations. We don't know who he solicited but we all assume it was KK. I have issues with what this women claims. hmmm who to believe, who to believe... (side mouth)

 

[indicolite22]

There's no such thing as a perfect murder, especially when you've been soliciting others to help with that murder.
MOO

If there's no body, no direct evidence, no confession and only someone's word against you, there is a good chance that you'll get away with it.

 

[Jessthinkin]

Yeah, Michelle Stein’s adamant statement that KK didn’t participate in the murder, was very different from her answer in regards to a recent sexual relationship between the two.

Sounds like a yes to me.

Hmmm... and another aspect that makes her "I was so scared of him" excuse as leaky as a sieve...

 

[MsJosie]

Your great questioning would have MS stuttering, and wishing to leave.
Perhaps the questions are bland, so MS comes back for more, and her friends follow, all done for ratings.
MOO.

IF her lawyer as as good as I have read, these types of questions should have been brought up or will be in a “practice question and answer session”. I bet she has an answer for any type of question asked.

Edit to add...I know this about this Q & A session, as my son had to testify in court. The lawyers went over many types of possible questions that could be asked. The lawyers explained to us that they do this for all their court cases.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Exactly. The second he made an attempt to bring someone else on board, he all but doomed his plan.

It appears that he involved KK to such an extent, that she alone can bury him.

One person leaves evidence behind.

Two people leave a mountain.

Loose lips just flapping away.

 

[heartgoesout]

If there's no body, no direct evidence, no confession and only someone's word against you, there is a good chance that you'll get away with it.

But ooOOooh the spin...the person who's word is against you is a jealous scorned lover potentially pregnant with your child.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Hypothetically posting, if KK tricked PF by getting pregnant, I can see how she might fear his wrath. He'd be furious. Rule #1 never get the side chick pregnant.

“ Stein said she believed her friend had “very, very good reasoning for whatever it is she may or may not have done.”