CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[nwmouse]

The plausibility of that scenario, all comes down to how fast she was located by law enforcement.

I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if you were right about this, and it would go a long way towards explaining such a lenient deal.

I've recently been binge-watching Investigation Discovery and what is interesting is how many murders are solved by snitches (jailhouse and otherwise) wearing a wire-tap/recording device.
I do think KK turned and has been able to give LE some very good evidence against PF in exchange for leniency.
MOO

 

[heartgoesout]

The plausibility of that scenario, all comes down to how fast she was located by law enforcement.

I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if you were right about this, and it would go a long way towards explaining such a lenient deal.

I sure hope so. But I can't forgive or forget KK's choices before, during and after Kelsey was murdered. To me it screams voluntary involvement not fear.

 

[MassGuy]

I've recently been binge-watching Investigation Discovery and what is interesting is how many murders are solved by snitches (jailhouse and otherwise) wearing a wire-tap/recording device.
I do think KK turned and has been able to give LE some very good evidence against PF in exchange for leniency.
MOO

In the days following law enforcement’s discovery of Kelsey’s dissapearance, there would have been panic on the part of KK.

There’s no way that she wouldn’t have attempted to contact PF, if only for reassurance.

If law enforcement got to her in time, then recordings likely exist.

The worst case scenario, is KK could get on the stand and explain the nature of that communication, and this would be backed up by phone records.

Either way, it’s incriminating.

 

[MyBelle]

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Exactly. Law enforcement didn’t say that Kelsey was dead, murdered in her house, and PF did it, because KK said so.

They found something.

We’ll have an idea soon enough.

Yes and I sure hope it is something other than KK's testimony that PF told her he did it.

JMO

 

[MemPat]

Thats what she should have done after the 1st solicitation and be ready for the 2nd solicitation to tape him and then run to LE with the tape to put him away for awhile and save KB's life. And the icing on the cake is she would not have had to make a plea deal herself.

She may have had to move and hide from him after he eventually got out but that would have been better for everyone's sake including her own because look at the trouble she is now in.

Experience has shown me that, as a rule, people don't get locked up just for making threats. There aren't enough jails.

 

[Artis]

I thought I saw another video where they made the claim that that Patrick portrayed Kelsey as if she were crazy and may hurt the baby. So their story is that he finely told KKL about the baby at the same time he was claiming Kelsey was crazy and would harm the baby? Was he using his claim that Kelsey was crazy as an excuse for his lies? Funny how KKL didn't reach her own conclusion that Patrick was crazy for keeping the engagement and baby a secret from her.

And, for all we know, anything she told M or anything M has said is a big fat pack of lies.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

You won't like my post, and it's not my opinion exactly but a stray thought I have entertained for a long time since I first vaguely heard of another scorned woman/love triangle... it could be that PF is the one in protective custody.

There is something about the whole plot that, for me, reeks of female scheming. And KK has an identifiable motive where PF's is unknown and only guessed about.

It makes no sense to me that KK was in a relationship with PF 15 years ago, has always carried a torch for him, hooked up with him again in 2016, the love of her life - then in 2018 he is now suddenly evil incarnate, may have killed before, is soliciting KK to commit murder for months, threatening her, threatening her children, and KK is blabbing all this to her BFF to spread the word that PF is going to murder KB - then KK goes to CO to help dispose of evidence.

It looks like KK was setting up PF for months.

Although far fetched, Sandy, I have to kinda agree with you. Something from the start said "girl" to me. Maybe it was the total silence, followed by all the girl talk going on. Having possession of the phone, but before ridding herself of it, sent some pretty stupid texts, in my opinion, and it has bothered me from the get-go. Thanks for saying something, Sandy.
IMO, IMO

 

[heartgoesout]

In the days following law enforcement’s discovery of Kelsey’s dissapearance, there would have been panic on the part of KK.

There’s no way that she wouldn’t have attempted to contact PF, if only for reassurance.

If law enforcement got to her in time, then recordings would likely exist.

The worst case scenario, is KK could get on the stand and explain the nature of that communication, and this would be backed up by phone records.

Either way, it’s incriminating.

Don't forget they had from Thanksgiving to December 2nd to do nothing... and a lot.

 

[Artis]

LE better have solid evidence to back up KK's version because the defense is going to present what you are saying--pointing to KK as the jealous female who drove hundreds of miles to murder KB and then decided to frame PF once she was caught.

No reasonable jury is going to believe that KK was deathly afraid of PF. Yet, she chose to drive to his town alone and help him in the aftermath.

Any normal person would call police with the solicitations and the threats and definitely would not be driving out of state alone to spend time near and/or with him.

SF's claim that her son was at home the entire time was not lost on me. She was saying this for a reason. This is his alibi; namely, that he couldn't have possibly done all that LE is saying that he did because he never left the home after getting the baby.

JMO.

I never heard about Ma giving him an alibi. Interesting.

 

[Hatfield]

Experience has shown me that, as a rule, people don't get locked up just for making threats. There aren't enough jails.

Yeah, I was thinking of the Dalio Dippolito case where she was locked up for 16 years trying to hire a hit man to kill her husband but they did have to get video of her in the act of soliciting a fake hit man.

They likely would have had to wire up KK and use her to get more incriminating evidence to put PF away for any length of time.

Dalia Dippolito sentenced to 16 years in murder-for-hire plot to kill husband

 

[Artis]

Several posters have questioned why no-one in Idaho is talking (other than the three celebrities).

Is there a subtlety I’ve missed? Aside from the rodeo circuit closing ranks, is she well connected? Is her family a big employer locally, or something like that? Are they in a position of influence?

TIA

That mysterious tweet that I saw, saying someone needed to look into why everything was quiet in Idaho, gave me that impression.

 

[k-mac]

I'm wondering how did PF know that KK would not go to the authorities after he asked her to kill for him? Was it because he threatened her (little girls go missing all the time) or because he knew she would stand by him out of loyalty/love?[/QUOTE

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[MyBelle]

No, they don't always.

If LE isn't contacted about a threat on a child's life of course they won't respond.

JMO

 

[Jessthinkin]

That mysterious tweet that I saw, saying someone needed to look into why everything was quiet in Idaho, gave me that impression.

Maybe her family is wealthy/influential?

 

[k-mac]

I'm wondering how did PF know that KK would not go to the authorities after he asked her to kill for him? Was it because he threatened her (little girls go missing all the time) or because he knew she would stand by him out of loyalty/love?

or he never said such things.
imo they EQUALLY wanted KB out of the picture and shes making the narrative up as she digs her way out of the trenches she has been caught in.

her lack of empathy toward KB not even referring to her by name shows contempt.....why?? (this isn't a question lol )

moo

 

[MyBelle]

Experience has shown me that, as a rule, people don't get locked up just for making threats. There aren't enough jails.

You're right they don't. But LE does tell the threatened person to get a protection order so that they can lock up the party who violates it.

JMO

 

[susiQ]

Hypothetically posting, if KK tricked PF by getting pregnant, I can see how she might fear his wrath. He'd be furious. Rule #1 never get the side chick pregnant.

“ Stein said she believed her friend had “very, very good reasoning for whatever it is she may or may not have done.”

BBM
This statement has me scratching my head. "very, very good reasoning, for what she may or may not have done." SAY WHAT? To:

1. sleep with a guy who had a baby with another woman despite the fact that she has "never seen that kind of evil."

2. travel 1600 miles round trip to help said guy try and get away with murder?

3. take the phone of a murdered woman back home and impersonate her by placing texts to her employer and the murderer.

4. does not go to LE to report murder or better yet never reported the solicitations which may have averted said murder ever taking place.

Welcome to the Twilight Zone!
My head is starting to hurt

 

[Artis]

Hard to say, but I think it's a generally close-lipped community. I think early on the local paper had an editorial saying (paraphrasing here) people should quit trash-talking, shut the rumor mill down and let LE do its job. In the first hours after the news about KK broke, the local paper's headline was more judiciously worded than the others I saw. I can't recall the exact wording, but it was more like 'association between local nurse and Colorado accused' or something - very desensationalized.

The local press would probably keep up with rodeo news, I think her folks are kind of local rodeo royalty - mom was also a rodeo queen. Here's some out-of-towners spewing trash about a popular hometown girl and, by extension, her family? Yeah, I can see a bit of local media circling the wagons.

When you get right down to it, no one in Florissant or Woodland Park is really talking, either. I get the feeling that KB didn't have many local friends - just a neighbor or two that she really only knew to say 'hi' to and her co-workers. However, PF's been there for 20 years and the community has still been very close-lipped.

I recently read some article, by a reporter, who has covered a few crimes and he said while in Los Angeles, people are lined up to sell you information and everyone wants to be interviewed. Conversely, he covered another crime in Colorado (near this area, IIRC) and he said the locals were like, "Who the f#!% are YOU?". Probably the same way up in Twin Peaks.

 

[nwmouse]

You're right they don't. But LE does tell the threatened person to get a protection order so that they can lock up the party who violates it.

JMO

And when someone threatens harm to a child, any normal mother would not only tell LE, she'd tell her family, friends, attorney, pastor, heck - she'd even leave a dead man's switch if LE were involved in some "conspiracy" to pooh-pooh her fears!

How many judges would deny a protective order when children are involved??? They'd be putting their reputation on the line and these days, few would risk doing that. LE is under far greater scrutiny than ever before in this era of social media and #metoo.


I can say in no uncertain terms, and I think I speak for most mothers, if anyone truly threatened my children I'd do everything I could to protect them.

I don't believe this is the case with KK.
MOO

 

[Artis]

The latest DM article has 168 comments and not one of them believes MS.

Mistress nurse was unaware that killer fiance Patrick Frazee was engaged or had a child | Daily Mail Online

That bodes well for whatever is coming.