CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

Also - where were PF and SF going the morning he was arrested and are any of PF's family implicated in the crime/coverup?

I honestly don't think any of his family would participate in this mess. I think his mom is in denial. Goodness knows what kind of tale he has spun for her. But, YES, I want to know where they where going too! From previous posts it appears we're a little divided on that question. Breakfast, isn't my guess

 

[mrstfs]

Even if baby k is too young to remember anything about that tragic day, I feel like Thanksgiving will always be a reminder for her (maybe trigger) of this horrific event. I’m not a big holiday person but Thanksgiving is promoted as such a family day that this seems extra cruel for her. MOO

I realize that ruining a holiday is the least of the issue, it just feels like an extra level of cruelty added to an already horrific event. I’m having a hard time articulating what I’m trying to say. (I’m in California and need more coffee.)

 

[Hatfield]

I'm so glad you point this out. I'm an animal rights person and loathe all of that s#*!. People who are callous with animals have low consciousness. People who are cruel with them are worse. It's funny because I admire a lot about the skills involved in rural life, like being self sufficient and knowing how to build and fix stuff. But that animal aspect - NO.

JMO
Just want to comment that certain aspects of handling animals on a farm may seem aggressive to some that are not familiar with it but there has to be a certain level of control over an animal or the animals can harm themselves or can harm the handler if they are too loosely controlled when trying to move them to a new spot or things like that.

There of course is a fine line there and what we have seen with PF is he seems to have crossed that line in some of the things we have seen and heard about him.

For me personally, as far as rodeos and circuses and even zoos now I have joined the crowd that dislikes them and I finally see the light. Its sad to me and if I had my way there would be none of them anymore.

But for the necessity of farm life and raising animals for human consumption that is something different to me and I respect all the farm and land owners that know how to do it right and be as respectful as possible to the animals they raise.

 

[LietKynes]

I honestly don't think any of his family would participate in this mess. I think his mom is in denial. Goodness knows what kind of tale he has spun for her. But, YES, I want to know where they where going too! From previous posts it appears we're a little divided on that question. Breakfast, isn't my guess

Hmmmm.....
Reposting this as it still hasn't been answered.
Imo it seems important.
On the fence , about mommy dearest being in that river in Egypt. Again MOO.

 

[susiQ]

JMO
Just want to comment that certain aspects of handling animals on a farm may seem aggressive to some that are not familiar with it but there has to be a certain level of control over an animal or the animals can harm themselves or can harm the handler if they are too loosely controlled when trying to move them to a new spot or things like that.

There of course is a fine line there and what we have seen with PF is he seems to have crossed that line in some of the things we have seen and heard about him.

For me personally, as far as rodeos and circuses and even zoos now I have joined the crowd that dislikes them and I finally see the light. Its sad to me and if I had my way there would be none of them anymore.

But for the necessity of farm life and raising animals for human consumption that is something different to me and I respect all the farm and land owners that know how to do it right and be as respectful as possible to the animals they raise.

Very nicely said, @Hatfield. Couldn't agree more!

 

[susiQ]

Hmmmm.....
Reposting this as it still hasn't been answered.
Imo it seems important.
On the fence , about mommy dearest being in that river in Egypt. Again MOO.

This is my question but not for Kapua's amazing list.
What is SF feeling about KK at this moment? My 'enquiring mind' would really like to know

 

[InvSmith]

Even if baby k is too young to remember anything about that tragic day, I feel like Thanksgiving will always be a reminder for her (maybe trigger) of this horrific event. I’m not a big holiday person but Thanksgiving is promoted as such a family day that this seems extra cruel for her. MOO

I realize that ruining a holiday is the least of the issue, it just feels like an extra level of cruelty added to an already horrific event. I’m having a hard time articulating what I’m trying to say. (I’m in California and need more coffee.)

The Thanksgiving timing has bothered me from the beginning. It is family-oriented. We all make of it what we will but the timing speaks to taking advantage of KB's distance to her family and PF's disregard to include her in his. In psychology, this is called splitting. She is perfectly isolated. It really makes you realize how planned all this was when you she how isolated KB was to PF.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Speaking for myself.

If I did know KK in any form or fashion I would not ever have anything to do with her ever again. I see her as a very dangerous individual.

She knowing took and probably destroyed Kelsey’s phone, she knew Kelsey was killed.

SHE IS VERY DANGEROUS

I would never give her a job.

Nor would you want to be a friend of a thief. That alone should make one steer clear of her.

 

[Love Never Fails]

i think motive has to have some element or link to kkl or she wouldn't have put so much at risk and jeopardy.
the closeness that must be there for PK to discuss killing KB before and after has to have relevance.
the love triangle works for me because of the 3rd wheel interaction.

if it was just abut KB and PK not a soul would have known about it. imo

kkl knew and was included because she was entwined in the mess.

moo

Sounds right. We will soon find out.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Sharing some photos from yesterday's beautiful day (the last one's from Jan).. we took a ride to Wolf's Creek pass in CO. We're supposed to have snow and 40-50 mph winds today down here in the foothills of Pikes Peak by Old Colorado City and Manitou Springs (Garden Of The Gods).

I hope that the court docs can be unsealed today and we learn allot more about what happened to precious KB, how, and where she can be recovered. Happy hump day everyone.

Gosh those pictures are just BEAUTIFUL!

 

[Noharg]

Yeah, I’m strongly leaning towards the baby being present.

I think this crime happened shortly after she returned from the Safeway, perhaps minutes later.

If that is the case, then the question isn’t if the baby was present, but if she was in the same room.

Good grief. Talk about child endangerment.

 

[JenniferTx]

and here I thought she was trying to hide a double chin. ......

I was thinking she was trying to appear taller. Not sure why I was thinking that but trying to hide a double chin is certainly plausable.

 

[Snowsnake]

Some of my observations this,morning based on previous posts.
We know the manor of death to be homicide as per DA charges and KK felony plea. We don’t know what the cause of death to be. Assumption is blunt force trauma indicated by evidence taken from KB’s home.
We know PF to have a violent temper from the scene of him flipping his horse trailer with his horse in it after losing in a rodeo event. He is also seen by others as gentle and quiet. Very telling portrayal of two different people wrapped up in the same person.
November 22nd is the assumed date of KB’s murder and PF’s truck is witnessed by a neighbor as being there all day.
We don’t know when KK arrives or how. We assume she drove herself. I assume to help PF. Remember charges on PF includes theft and KB’s purse is missing. What if PF gave KK money out of KB’s purse for travel? We have no way of knowing what was stolen and where it went as of today.
Arrival of KK could have been traced by her cell phone possibly sending messages to PF. She was caught immediately by the FBI and CBI. They may have DNA on her such as her golden locks being found at SF house or in PF truck. She is a convicted felon in this case and a prime witness.
Some facts and some speculation to the facts. My opinion is more arrests could come as I think more people know about PF & KK and covered or helped them. It is very apparent that R’s & M are spinning for KK.

 

[UnicornDragon]

I was thinking she was trying to appear taller. Not sure why I was thinking that but trying to hide a double chin is certainly plausable.

Could just be how she was told to pose for mugshots.

 

[Seattle1]

Good morning! Yipes. Is it just me, or is the New Threads tab on the right in Chinese/or something? Must need coffee. lol

Yes - I see it on the sidebar also. Glad to know it's not on my end.

 

[yawningreyhound]

Some of my observations this,morning based on previous posts.
We know the manor of death to be homicide as per DA charges and KK felony plea. We don’t know what the cause of death to be. Assumption is blunt force trauma indicated by evidence taken from KB’s home.
We know PF to have a violent temper from the scene of him flipping his horse trailer with his horse in it after losing in a rodeo event. He is also seen by others as gentle and quiet. Very telling portrayal of two different people wrapped up in the same person.
November 22nd is the assumed date of KB’s murder and PF’s truck is witnessed by a neighbor as being there all day.
We don’t know when KK arrives or how. We assume she drove herself. I assume to help PF. Remember charges on PF includes theft and KB’s purse is missing. What if PF gave KK money out of KB’s purse for travel? We have no way of knowing what was stolen and where it went as of today.
Arrival of KK could have been traced by her cell phone possibly sending messages to PF. She was caught immediately by the FBI and CBI. They may have DNA on her such as her golden locks being found at SF house or in PF truck. She is a convicted felon in this case and a prime witness.
Some facts and some speculation to the facts. My opinion is more arrests could come as I think more people know about PF & KK and covered or helped them. It is very apparent that R’s & M are spinning for KK.

I've read that when property is removed in a crime scene, LE throws in "robbery" for the additional charge since crimes committed during a robbery are prosecutable (is that a word and did I spell it write ). Don't ask me where I read that. Gosh, I am simply on the edge of my seat waiting to figure out how they think this whole thing played out. That little woman, Kelsey, didn't have a chance up against these two. Every time I see the grocer video, I think to myself, there Kelsey is, with her baby, doing some Thanksgiving shopping....not a clue. And my heart hurts.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

November 22nd is the assumed date of KB’s murder and PF’s truck is witnessed by a neighbor as being there all day.

Remember charges on PF includes theft

Neither of these statements are correct as far as we know.

 

[susiQ]

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My opinion is more arrests could come as I think more people know about PF & KK and covered or helped them.

I once thought that might happen, but less so now. Given that KK was charged with only tampering for her involvement, which in my opinion was MAJOR (irks me big time), if these lesser characters came to LE to tell their side of the story (say, the guys at the dump) I highly doubt they will be charged with anything. If KK can get the deal she did, I'm not sure what they would charge them with if they are co operating and will testify for the prosecution. JMT

 

[Snowsnake]

Neither of these statements are correct as far as we know.

I said the assumed date which has been said in the media and on posts. KB’s neighbor said PF’s truck was there all day on that day but didn’t consider it unusual. Also stated it was parked in such a manor as to block KB’s vehicles. Descriptive statement of the scene.
PF has two charges of first degree murder. One includes theft. Begs the question what did the DA think was stolen during the commission of this crime?
Hope that clarifies my reasoning. Very difficult case to understand.

 

[amm]

I said the assumed date which has been said in the media and on posts. KB’s neighbor said PF’s truck was there all day on that day but didn’t consider it unusual. Also stated it was parked in such a manor as to block KB’s vehicles. Descriptive statement of the scene.
PF has two charges of first degree murder. One includes theft. Begs the question what did the DA think was stolen during the commission of this crime?
Hope that clarifies my reasoning. Very difficult case to understand.

I have read that the neighbor saw the truck there sometime between 12:30 and 1:00 but haven't read that it was there all day. Do you recall which article gave that info? Thanks!