CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #38 *ARREST*

[OldLadyBlues]

Exactly. Her claim that she did this out of fear, is beyond absurd.

They weren’t living together.

They had hundreds of miles of separation.

PF apparently asked her on three occasions to kill Kelsey, and KK responded with “no,” atleast twice. She was so damn scared, that she turned him down. Ok lady.

She did this because of another emotion, and it sure as hell wasn't fear.

Probably love.

The only thing she was scared of was PF, and ultimately herself, getting caught.

Or pure, unadulterated, raw jealousy.

 

[susiQ]

There is 800 miles between KK and PF. KK was very, very scared. She was afraid he would kill her.
800 miles is not a small distance! Doncha think that would offer her a LITTLE bit comfort?
He killed KB around the 21st. Does ANYONE think he would actually be p*ssed enough to drive 800 miles to KK to kill her? When she lived with her exhusband? When he had to clean a condo? Dispose of a body? Take care of an infant?
MOO,MOO

Right eh? On what planet does any of this make any sense? That's why I'd like to know what kind of hold he had on her. M wasn't talking about that, was she? No explanation for WHY she was so "scared." Oh, I forgot, he may have "killed before." OK M., and what was it exactly that PF did or say to KK that made her think he had killed before. Help me understand, please!

ed:gr

 

[OldLadyBlues]

I'm not convinced of a total money motive. Jealousy at it's base form, yes.
MOO, MOO

 

[GHgal]

Exactly. Her claim that she did this out of fear, is beyond absurd.

They weren’t living together.

They had hundreds of miles of separation.

PF apparently asked her on three occasions to kill Kelsey, and KK responded with “no,” atleast twice. She was so damn scared, that she turned him down. Ok lady.

She did this because of another emotion, and it sure as hell wasn't fear.

Probably love.

The only thing she was scared of was PF, and ultimately herself, getting caught.

What was she so afraid of? Turn him in and he would be in jail. The only possible way for him to harm her is to solicit another person, clearly he sucks at that task!!!!

 

[MassGuy]

OMG, I hope you're right. If the plea deal stands, the worst she could get would be three years in prison and a 100K fine.

I think it will stand, and she will ultimately serve very little (if any) jail time.

Personally, I’d like to see a lengthy sentence, a huge fine, and some sort of parole work requirement that involves filling in that hole in PF’s front yard, with a teaspoon.

We’ll see.

 

[MsBetsy]

AgeofAquaruisWell-Known Member
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Some of my observations this,morning based on previous posts.
We know the manor of death to be homicide as per DA charges and KK felony plea. We don’t know what the cause of death to be. Assumption is blunt force trauma indicated by evidence taken from KB’s home.
We know PF to have a violent temper from the scene of him flipping his horse trailer with his horse in it after losing in a rodeo event. He is also seen by others as gentle and quiet. Very telling portrayal of two different people wrapped up in the same person.
November 22nd is the assumed date of KB’s murder and PF’s truck is witnessed by a neighbor as being there all day.
We don’t know when KK arrives or how. We assume she drove herself. I assume to help PF. Remember charges on PF includes theft and KB’s purse is missing. What if PF gave KK money out of KB’s purse for travel? We have no way of knowing what was stolen and where it went as of today.
Arrival of KK could have been traced by her cell phone possibly sending messages to PF. She was caught immediately by the FBI and CBI. They may have DNA on her such as her golden locks being found at SF house or in PF truck. She is a convicted felon in this case and a prime witness.
Some facts and some speculation to the facts. My opinion is more arrests could come as I think more people know about PF & KK and covered or helped them. It is very apparent that R’s & M are spinning for KK.
One really has to wonder why MS would go out of her way to defend KK's heinous actions. What is her motive? Why not distance herself from someone she knows helped a murderer? Was solicited three times. Helped murder the mother of a baby.
Something just does not sit right with that. Not at all.
Why does she protesteth so much?

I don't think the neighbor witnessed PF's truck at Kelseys house all day.
It was sometime between 12:30 - 1:00, if I remember correctly.
Also, is KK's friend actually protesting the charges? Or are you just referring to her defending her character? Imo

 

[susiQ]

OMG, I hope you're right. If the plea deal stands, the worst she could get would be three years in prison and a 100K fine.

Did you forget the sarcasm font?

 

[Hatch]

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Exactly. Her claim that she did this out of fear, is beyond absurd.

They weren’t living together.

They had hundreds of miles of separation.

PF apparently asked her on three occasions to kill Kelsey, and KK responded with “no,” atleast twice. She was so damn scared, that she turned him down. Ok lady.

She did this because of another emotion, and it sure as hell wasn't fear.

Probably love.

The only thing she was scared of was PF, and ultimately herself, getting caught.
Or pure, unadulterated, raw jealousy

 

[Hatch]

deleted by myself not conducive to good sleuthing

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Right eh? On what planet does any of this make any sense? That's why I'd like to know what kind of hold he had on her. M wasn't talking about that, was she? No explanation for WHY she was so "scared." Oh, I forgot, he may have "killed before." OK M., and what was it exactly that PF did or say to KK that made her think he had killed before. Help me understand, please!

I wish I could, Sus. The only thing I can tell you is the reason will be stupid....enough to make you scream.
The longer this goes, the more I read, the more the whole thing just sounds....dumb. I mean look....we've tried intelligent reasoning on why a person murders and no matter what scenario we've used, it's like forcing a round peg in a square hole. So, I'm down to simple unintelligent reasons now.
Edited: horrendous spelling

 

[lindaromas]

If defense stops dragging their feet and files their response without further delay, I'm hopeful the Court will grant the motion by Monday or early Tuesday that we can have docs before hearing commences. (In Watts case, I believe the docs were made available about an hour before the trial).

And Monday is a holiday,.....

 

[susiQ]

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Exactly. Her claim that she did this out of fear, is beyond absurd.

They weren’t living together.

They had hundreds of miles of separation.

PF apparently asked her on three occasions to kill Kelsey, and KK responded with “no,” atleast twice. She was so damn scared, that she turned him down. Ok lady.

She did this because of another emotion, and it sure as hell wasn't fear.

Probably love.

The only thing she was scared of was PF, and ultimately herself, getting caught.
Or pure, unadulterated, raw jealousy

I have to disagree with the idea that "love" made her do it. These two devils don't know what love is. If she really loved him she would have talked him out of it. This woman is infatuated with him and living in a "fantasy land" she's concocted in her twisted mind. JMO

 

[Hatch]

I have to disagree with the idea that "love" made her do it. These two devils don't know what love is. If she really loved him she would have talked him out of it. This woman is infatuated with him and living in a "fantasy land" she's concocted in her twisted mind. JMO

Susan Smith was living in a fantasy land to have drowned her two precious kids in the name of Love in her twisted mind so I know it is possible. Drugs and fantasy keep popping up in my mind.

 

[susiQ]

Susan Smith was living in a fantasy land to have drowned her two precious kids in the name of Love in her twisted mind so I know it is possible. Drugs and fantasy keep popping up in my mind.

But that's my point. It isn't love. True love sacrifices self, not others.

 

[Hatch]

Marking

 

[Hatch]

But that's my point. It isn't love. True love sacrifices self, not others.

Yes I agree it is a sick sorted train of thought they interpret as love.

 

[Artis]

Did you forget the sarcasm font?

I wasn't being sarcastic! I'm hoping she gets the max allowed under the plea deal. Obviously, I think she deserves worse.

I'm scared that Mass Guy is right and she'll get little or no time. That makes me so f-ing mad.

 

[Hatch]

I wasn't being sarcastic! I'm hoping she gets the max allowed under the plea deal. Obviously, I think she deserves worse.

I'm scared that Mass Guy is right and she'll get little or no time. That makes me so f-ing mad.

I think she will get way more negative karma than she can handle . This is not going away the day sentences are served and this is over whatever over is. Over will never happen for Baby K and the sweet Berreth family.

 

[Hatch]

I wasn't being sarcastic! I'm hoping she gets the max allowed under the plea deal. Obviously, I think she deserves worse.

I'm scared that Mass Guy is right and she'll get little or no time. That makes me so f-ing mad.

If PF's contacts reaches far and wide IMO KK will never have a day she is not looking over her shoulder. If indeed she has legitimate fear.

 

[MemPat]

@srg - I really liked your post on implicit memory and I pray she did not see or hear a thing.

I've thought quite a lot about how people tell little ones about a murdered parent. I can't get past "Mommy's in Heaven". What comes after that - daddy was naughty? How in the hell does anyone explain THAT part? Little kids are usually pretty good on transitioning a loved one to Heaven but I can't imagine how murder is explained. It would have to be an incremental revealing, I would think. Very simplistic, at first, but what does that look like? Gradually, as the child ages and they get more information, at some point, utter horror at the realization. I think it's critical that the truth is told so bombs don't get dropped later on but I can't figure out how that truth would be unveiled.

I like the way I heard another mother explain her child's father's crime. When she finally had to admit that he was in jail, she said, "He did something bad," and that sufficed for years.