CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #38 *ARREST*

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I agree with you, with roaming needs of battery, the phone would have probably not been working unless she charged it, or the phone was turned off during her travels and then turn back on just to send the text before ...?

It's my understanding that phone records can show when a phone was turned off, and when it was turned on. They are very specific pings to the phone companies when such is done. Moo from previous cases I have followed.

I think there are others here that are knowledgeable and such.

ETA.. or he charged it up before she took it?
If the phone was on the entire time, wouldn't it be trackable along the route of travel?
If it was turned off during KK's travels, how did they know it wasn't password protected? Did they have the password?
 
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I think KB was cutting ties with PF. Maybe making more formal visitation so that they could go their own ways and have privacy, and restrict the conflict that may have been happening. The baby was probably walking, being potty trained, KB May have been ready to have her start day care. That day care may have been in the city she worked in.

If marriage was off the table, it was time to move on with separate lives and a structured custody/support arrangement. The best way to do this would have been for them to come to a mutual agreement before having it legally filed. Unfortunately, Patrick decided there would be no mutual agreement dedicated to the best interests of their daughter. He made it as ugly as it could possibly get.

You know what would be really nice was if KB spoke to an attorney about the custody thing in Aug/Sept and actually told what PF had done to bring her to that office!
 
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Imho, that is against terms of service here. Moo
Not only that, but screenshots from social media would not be reliable evidence.
Yes, early on CB said KB had TG day plans. I just keep thinking that since we don't know when on the 22nd she was killed (assuming we can accept she was more than likely killed that day), maybe he's messed up enough that he thought he'd disarm her and take her out. Maybe it's another indication of his controlling nature. I guess it's possible he killed her afterwards. We don't know what time he claims to have been at Cracker Barrel, but I'm sure that will come out.
It's possible that she was killed afterwards, but it must have happened in her house, otherwise there would not have been evidence of her death in there.
 
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If the phone was on the entire time, wouldn't it be trackable along the route of travel?
If it was turned off during KK's travels, how did they know it wasn't password protected? Did they have the password?
Yes, it would be. I don’t think it was on the entire time though. We’ll see.

I’m sure that PF either knew the phone wasn’t password protected, or knew the password if it was.

I also don’t believe that he didn’t have access to her phone records, and didn’t know the answers to her verification questions.

He just wanted to sell the story that he had no way of knowing where she was, and when she last made contact with someone.
 
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Well put! He seemed to be saying he's not going to put up with KB's criticizing*. Sometimes in a case like that a gal ends up being the guy's conscience. The (hypothetical) guy will say things like it being ok to get ahead by lying about others, or they might have unjustified anger towards someone. BUT if you mention that it's wrong to lie or for unjustified anger, they'll take it as criticism. You can't win because you can't really agree with them, and it's next to impossible to ignore all the junk they have to say either.
*It's certainly also odd for pf to say that (to cb) since he had just killed her daughter!!
Or did he mean he wasn’t going to deal with CB any more? No more questions, no more requests to check on KB, no more access to baby, no cooperation with police, no cooperation with search for KB?
 
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The length of time that a cell phone battery retains usable charge varies tremendously by how many apps are loaded and how much memory is used with photos, games etc.
With that said, southern Idaho is very well covered by Verizon towers and mini cells. It could nolt have been transported while "on" through to the Gooding coverage area without pinging several times off different towers. In order to ping only off the Gooding tower, which has several areas of minimal coverage with areas of decent coverage all being 5G LTE, KB's phone had to have been transported off and turned on at 5:12 pm on November 25, 2018. There is a one minute delay before a ping can commence. IMO

DaveF, I'm not sure I am following your logic.

I just recalled that they said the * last ping *was Gooding. Am I incorrect In My recollection?


Do you have information that it did not ping for 2 days before that? It could have been pinging all along , and it just hasn't come out as such?

Moo

Also, interested in your relevance as a 1 minute delay?
 
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I think they already have enough to prove the accusations they have already levied.

His sister repeated some of those same lies on here, but those posts are gone now.
You are right MassGuy, as usual! :)
 
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So it was determined that she was, in fact, that one sluether, (I cannot recall her sluether name) from way back in the first few threads??? How did I miss that???

I believe it is against terms of service to discuss what the person's name was. I'm sure that others, if that did happen, would have sent that information along to authorities if they thought so.
 
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You know what would be really nice was if KB spoke to an attorney about the custody thing in Aug/Sept and actually told what PF had done to bring her to that office!

Unfortunately, as we learned in another case, once they are hired they are not allowed to speak about it. Unlike the R's.
 
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Unfortunately, as we learned in another case, once they are hired they are not allowed to speak about it. Unlike the R's.

Even if a murder happened? That is sad!
 
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She was? Anyone recall her sleuther name? I had no idea.

If you and the original poster joined in December, you may not know, but that is against terms of service to discuss other members and their names or identities and to sleuth them. No matter who they are. M o o
 
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If the phone was on the entire time, wouldn't it be trackable along the route of travel?
If it was turned off during KK's travels, how did they know it wasn't password protected? Did they have the password?
If KB was on PF's cellular plan, I can pretty much assure you that he had access to EVERYTHING on her phone. Oh that just pizzes me off to no end. Who exerts that kind of control over a woman, or anyone else for that matter?? PF is who!

ETA: IMO :mad:
 
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Or did he mean he wasn’t going to deal with CB any more? No more questions, no more requests to check on KB, no more access to baby, no cooperation with police, no cooperation with search for KB?
Could be both IMO
 
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Unfortunately, as we learned in another case, once they are hired they are not allowed to speak about it. Unlike the R's.
Haa! Oh those rascally R's :D Wonder how they're doing these days?
 
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You are right MassGuy, as usual! :)
In the document it states that PF spread rumors through others through the media and other means. I would think at least the Berreth family, and possibly LE, know who some of those people are.
I don't know exactly what the laws are regarding slander, especially when done through SM or other sites. But many news sources seem to get their information from some of these sites.
I really hope there is some way these people could be held accountable, and charged.
This is why LE has no patience with the gossip on SM. It interferes with the investigation. It should be a crime. Imo
 
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RSBM

I think this is key.

IMO At first, PF enjoyed the kudos of having an attractive girlfriend who was in another league, professionally, to most of his crowd.

As the relationship lost its newness (relationships inevitably do), and domestic
obligations became the norm, he started being mean.

He may have found it particularly satisfying to make a pregnant woman/new mother cry.

Maybe one of his nasty refrains was to tell her she was hanging on him like a leech.

She bought the townhouse, possibly hoping that asserting her independence would help put the relationship on an even footing.

This probably made him feel exposed and inadequate. His behaviour became nastier.

It would not be surprising if she felt low or if she took anti-depressants.

She may have sometimes wanted to get away. (Her mother, when asked if Kelsey had ever gone missing before, pointedly said she always knew where Kelsey was).

If they were on-again/off-again, she may have started accepting more invitations to socialise with colleagues.

She probably couldn’t deal with his moods and aggression any longer. Perhaps she, reluctantly, started to talk about ending their relationship (possibly hoping it wouldn’t come to that), and how they would manage custody.

It suited him fine to keep her dangling, but once she started to call some of the shots he became angry and resentful.

For PF, the thought of Kelsey telling people she dumped him (and maybe getting herself a better boyfriend) was nearly the last straw.

The thought of her taking the baby away filled him with the ultimate rage.

I speculate.

I think Kelsey was way, way OUT of his league.
 
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Not only that, but screenshots from social media would not be reliable evidence.

It's possible that she was killed afterwards, but it must have happened in her house, otherwise there would not have been evidence of her death in there.
I wonder if he made sure the neighbor wasn't home when he did it. I also wonder how many neighbors can actually see his truck from their place.
 
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Above BBM
From above link:

According to Friday's refiled wrongful death suit, Frazee argued in a phone call to Berreth's mother more than a week after she disappeared that the missing woman "had 'issues' that would warrant Frazee 'getting full custody' of their baby."
BBM
That statement makes me want to rip his face off.
AND, how utterly ironic, given what everyone knows about him today: That HE is the one that HAS 'issues' that would warrant him NEVER getting full custody of their baby. His mother either it would appear!
Gotta love that.
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The number of "likes" I have is holding steady at 666. Can I get another "like" before things get weird? ;)
 
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