CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

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  • #741
@gitana1 -- found it. KB did not know anything about a missing dog when KK came to her door with the "coffee."

He said Frazee and Kenney plotted for her to spike Berreth's coffee with drugs she could get at the hospital where she worked. Kenney went so far as to buy a caramel macchiato at the Starbucks inside the Woodland Park Walmart Sept. 23 and pose as a neighbor thanking Berreth for corralling her loose dogs.

Berreth told Kenney, who used a bogus name [Casey Johnson], that she had not helped with the dogs but accepted the unlaced drink anyway. Slater said Frazee was angry when he learned the coffee hadn't been tainted.


Grisly account of murder of Kelsey Berreth provided by Idaho nurse
I have a hunch the coffee was tainted, but KK doesn't want to admit it as that would be attempted murder.

Why bother going to the door and giving her coffee for no reason?

I doubt this story.

And how weird would it be to have someone hand you a coffee as thanks for helping them (when you didn't help them)! Don't we learn as kids not to take food from strangers!? Weird.

I think it was tainted and KB was baffled by the visit and promptly poured the coffee down the drain.

jmopinion
 
  • #742
I thought it was a tractor, too! Similar to this one.
Photo courtesy Old Tractor Company.
Good find Dave -- a ranch/farm tractor with a bucket. Done.
 
  • #743
And the friend Meghan who supplied KK with not only a car, but wait there's more, a fully loaded gun. In spite of the fact she knew there was murder plot going down.
I bet she's sweating bullets right about now.
MOO
Since she is more directly connected to KK’s actions, would she be called as a witness in PF’s trial (if there is one)?
 
  • #744
Yes a tractor makes more sense but it would have to have a bucket or something to lift it, right? and he must have had a key (do tractors have keys???) so many questions still. JMO
Maybe it was a backhoe type thing.
 
  • #745
I have a hunch the coffee was tainted, but KK doesn't want to admit it as that would be attempted murder.

Why bother going to the door and giving her coffee for no reason?

I doubt this story.

And how weird would it be to have someone hand you a coffee as thanks for helping them (when you didn't help them)! Don't we learn as kids not to take food from strangers!? Weird.

I think it was tainted and KB was baffled by the visit and promptly poured the coffee down the drain.

jmopinion
ITA
 
  • #746
@gitana1 -- found it. KB did not know anything about a missing dog when KK came to her door with the "coffee."

He said Frazee and Kenney plotted for her to spike Berreth's coffee with drugs she could get at the hospital where she worked. Kenney went so far as to buy a caramel macchiato at the Starbucks inside the Woodland Park Walmart Sept. 23 and pose as a neighbor thanking Berreth for corralling her loose dogs.

Berreth told Kenney, who used a bogus name [Casey Johnson], that she had not helped with the dogs but accepted the unlaced drink anyway. Slater said Frazee was angry when he learned the coffee hadn't been tainted.


Grisly account of murder of Kelsey Berreth provided by Idaho nurse

It wasn't me!!
 
  • #747
Proving once again that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I meant KB is a natural beaty,and does not need make-up or massive amounts of filters.
 
  • #748
Yes, but not the ones with blood on them... evil evil man IMO
Unless I dreamt this, didn't KK use the shower for clean up as well? I need to find a link.
 
  • #749
Wouldn’t SF have asked what they were burning? JMO
She knew. Maybe that not particular night of the fire, but she eventually knew. jmo
 
  • #750
Hello everyone! I haven't participated since the Jodi Arias trial. I do not practice criminal law so I have not weighed in here but have appreciated the comments of others with experience who have added so much to the discussion.

I wanted to add my thoughts on the KKL plea deal from a different point of view. When you step back from the case (which is hard to do) and have to pick the ultimate final goal in this case, I think it is bigger than putting PF and KKL away, much bigger. I think when all things are weighed that the biggest goal here has to be to keep KBs sweet baby safe. If you think about it, if the prosecution cannot put PF away, he is let out and can fight for custody. Without a conviction or solid case against him, a father is likely to prevail against in laws. As a result, to protect KBs baby, a conviction is paramount. And, again, I see that as the most important goal at the end of the day. Without KKL''s testimony, the baby's future is more uncertain. With KB gone, I believe all involved would want that baby protected at all cost.

Having said that, I join in the outrage in the horrific conduct that has been shared in this preliminary hearing. In my wildest dreams, I could not imagine the evil and coverup that has occurred on so many levels. I also cannot imagine anyone wanting to hurt someone as beautiful and hardworking as KB. When I try to imagine who KB was, I look at CB. While I know her heart is broken in a million pieces and she is suffering greatly, I believe she is the epitome of grace and motherhood. She has fought for her daughter and her granddaughter with the strength of a mother lion. She is the one who fought to have people look for KB when others were not acting. She is the one who did that compelling interview (that I believe got people sharing more of what they knew) when she likely knew horrific details we did not all know. She and her family found the blood. She fought for her granddaughter to be safe against people who killed her own daughter. To me, if I were CB (and I cannot imagine), one of the hardest parts of this would have been those days she knew PF had killed her daughter, but had to watch him with that baby, not knowing if the baby was next. She could not see the baby and she could not guarantee her safety and LE was not ready/able to act at that point. That would be terrifying to me. (In addition to everything else).

For that reason, I believe CB and the rest of the family would do anything for that little girl to protect her. That is the only thing that makes me feel alright about the plea deal is that I believe it will allow that child to be the most protected at the end of all of this. With the KKL deal, we lose much of the prison time she may have served if they had enough to convict PF and KKL, but we risk PF out to fight for the baby. With her testimony, she pays a lesser price but there is significant likelihood that they will put PF away for life and he cannot regain custody. So, while we all want PF and KKL to pay for what they did, I believe that the outcome of this trial is critical for baby K and I am grateful that the deal is much more likely to offer her the greatest protection by convicting PF.

My prayers and heart are with the Berreth family. They are beautiful people and I have learned so much about faith and strength and family watching them fight for their daughter and her baby girl.

MOO




Thank you for sharing your point of view. I, for one, have had tunnel vision concentrating on PF and KKL. You are absolutely correct, what could be more important than the safety of this sweet innocent child? It is unfortunate that someone SO involved in this conspiracy (KKL) will not get charged to the fullest extent of the law, but this young child will be safe--THAT is what is most important and I am sure her beautiful mother would agree.

MOO
 
  • #751
Still looking at the the dark dirt spot and trough in the corral area below the front porch. The picture is a Google Earth screenshot dated October 14, 2017. I've placed an arrow pointing to the trough, which is sitting in the exact location of the dark spot in the KOAA TV drone shot of December 14, 2018. It seems to like it has to have been recently moved.
IMO

Great find! Do we have the other picture to do a side-by-side comparison in one post?


Dad with a phone must be having heart palpitations that his video, that he discussed that law enforcement was watching him make, is going to be used in this trial.

The more I see here, the more I agree with the original poster that the reason he was called is because of his videos that he did with his drone. Good call whoever that was! Sorry I can't remember who it was.
 
  • #752
Oh, thank you for clearing that up. I was about to go looking!
MOO

Can I now have a piece of your pie that you give to us in your basement?
 
  • #753
She knew. Maybe that not particular night of the fire, but she eventually knew. jmo
It could not have been hard to put two and two together. I'm guessing she knew. Imo
 
  • #754
Unless I dreamt this, didn't KK use the shower for clean up as well? I need to find a link.
Affidavit details events leading up to Berreth’s death
In a white suit that covered her whole body, plus a hair net, booties and gloves, Kenney spent hours cleaning the residence. She used the shower to help clean the scene, she told authorities.
Can I now have a piece of your pie that you give to us in your basement?
Lol! :p Of course you may. And, you're on hall monitor duty. ;)
 
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To make peace with this, I'm willing to go so far as to believe that KK is a professional healthcare provider that knew how to clean up blood up and human body matter. She allegedly arrived equipped with her hazmat suit....

I'll admit, it's still a head scratcher to me regarding the use HRD dogs not indicating. I'll argue skill of the handler and training of the dog is crucial. Also the use of dogs is not a 100% guarantee but they are pretty darn good.

Even with the use of cleaning products and a pretty decent clean up, hazmat suit worn by KK during the clean up - there was still blood remaining. Now, I believe the original concentrated blood source was cleaned pretty well. Even with that, splatter was in several locations, in several rooms (if I read correctly). This was a crime scene that was indoors, no outside elements to contend with. A q-tip size amount of blood can be indicated on, spread out over a WIDE area, larger than the square footage of KB's home.

I'm not at all pointing fingers because there's many moving parts working with dogs. It just caught me off guard.
 
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  • #757
I have a hunch the coffee was tainted, but KK doesn't want to admit it as that would be attempted murder.

Why bother going to the door and giving her coffee for no reason?

I doubt this story.

And how weird would it be to have someone hand you a coffee as thanks for helping them (when you didn't help them)! Don't we learn as kids not to take food from strangers!? Weird.

I think it was tainted and KB was baffled by the visit and promptly poured the coffee down the drain.

jmopinion
Of course KB dumped the coffee!

My post was not necessarily about the coffee, but a continued discussion about a woman --KK, so arrogant and brazen as to approach KB's door with an insane attempt to introduce herself to her "competition" (with her Auntie K waiting in the car).

Allegedly, KK also attempted to make a "playdate" with KB/child when she was at the door, giving KB her burner phone number. I don't believe KK was received very well at the door (duh), and was said to have thrown out this burner phone in Breckenridge.

My point being -- this is just another example of KK and PF psyche where they truly believe that they are smarter than the general population.
 
  • #758
I think, the two nurses (Ma + KKL) agreed in fullest, that it would be easier for PF and themselves, KB would disappear forever. Further I think, one older nurse knew exactly, what possibilities the younger nurse would have at her workplace (taking drugs for anesthesia) and might have suggested something in that direction. SF might have suggested it to PF and PF to KKL, perhaps.
I'm behind and not able to read all posts, because my laptop always gets overheated on a current and high frequented thread. So my mentioning of some points maybe outdated. Excuse me, please.
I want to mention for example: There was blood all over KB's home - why, if a strong, overly raged, angry and hateful man did the beating? Why, if the beating was so very violent, that a tooth broke out of KB's sweet mouth? If KB's blood got on PF shoes, then it would explain some "large" (?) bloody footprints in the home, but it wouldn't explain spread blood on walls in more rooms than the "attack" room.
Btw: When I'm looking at pics of PF in his striped outfit, I don't recognize "large" feet, rather a smaller size (for men).
PF allegedly knew, he had knocked out one of KB's teeth including root and told KKL, where exactly to find the little tooth and collect it?? Why didn't mimosa PF collect it himself - I don't understand. KKL threw the tooth away (told about it) - but PF couldn't do it? You have to shake your head in disbelief, IMO.
I'm not sure, whether I can believe each part of KKL's story ......

ETA: KKL would be a star crime scene cleaner, if she was able to clean this "mess" in about 3-4 hours. Don't know at all, how that would work.
Speaking of shoes...in the pics of SF with her lawyer, walking to the court house, her shoes look way to big for her. I wondered if she was wearing PF. Just a weird observation.

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  • #759
Unless I dreamt this, didn't KK use the shower for clean up as well? I need to find a link.

It’s like she was dressing for surgery!
Really, she was trying to not leave her dna, imo
 
  • #760
I have a hunch the coffee was tainted, but KK doesn't want to admit it as that would be attempted murder.

Why bother going to the door and giving her coffee for no reason?

I doubt this story.

And how weird would it be to have someone hand you a coffee as thanks for helping them (when you didn't help them)! Don't we learn as kids not to take food from strangers!? Weird.

I think it was tainted and KB was baffled by the visit and promptly poured the coffee down the drain.

jmopinion

I agree with you on this (however noting for the record that there are some here who disagree about this, whose opinions I respect, for example @MassGuy , even though he’s a Patriots fan hahahaha jk). I think some good rebuttals included scoping out the competition and initiating a friendship for later purposes (shudder).

So, this coffee stuff has me thinking about back in the day, remember the “Welcome Wagon”? It was common for neighbors to knock on the door with cookies or muffins in a basket welcoming one to the neighborhood. Those were the good ole days. As stated, most of us would have dumped that coffee.

(O/T, Iirc from college, one of the Ancient Greek sins was “Corruption of Hospitality” (an additional sin was not using one’s God given talents(s), third sin was “hubris”.) What the “corruption of hospitality” meant iirc is that if someone knocked on your door stranded on the road, you bring them in, feed them, give them a place to stay (supposedly this is where the saying “giving someone the cold shoulder” came from—/if someone popped in unexpectedly that might be all someone had available to feed them. Over the years this term has supposedly evolved to have a more negative connotation. Now to google all this and see if my college professor was right.)

Anyway sorry for the long babble, point is I think it’s interesting how so many of us would dump the coffee. Times have changed.
 
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