CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

[1mtroyal]

I just finished reading the affidavit and tweets from that news reporter that was covering court yesterday. Am I correct that it sounds like PF was still dating KB while dating KK at the same time? Am I correct to assume that his motive was to get sole custody to run off with KK?

I am trying to understand if he was trying to date two women at the same time... I'm also trying to figure out if he was maybe planning to dump KK and stay with KB but something threw him off the edge???

I do not think anyone knows what his motive was. Even if he said what his motive was, I would not believe him...…..but we do have a love triangle here and that leads to a lot of violence....Chris Watts...etc

 

[NCTeacher]

Who would have come in? Didn't PF text KB's mom from her phone (on 24th) that KB would call her the next day? He had to make sure her mom wasn't too worried to have someone check on her, but that's it.

Perhaps he knew FOR A FACT no one would pop in, but I think under normal circumstances people would be VERY worried about a townhome sitting full of blood for 36 hours if they had just murdered someone in there--even if the victim had few friends and no family in the area.

It was THANKSGIVING weekend. If I were PF, I would be worried sick that KB could have mom, brother, aunt, uncle, cousin, or friend coming for a surprise visit to see her and the baby--and boom, murder scene is discovered. What if a neighbor SAW something suspicious and called the police? What if a neighbor HEARD something suspicious and called the police? What is someone breaks in? What if KK runs her big fat mouth and tells somebody and the cops go check it out?

I'm sorry, but it is REALLY REALLY bizarre that he left that house with blood "everywhere" for such a prolonged period of time.

 

[indicolite22]

I am trying to understand if he was trying to date two women at the same time... I'm also trying to figure out if he was maybe planning to dump KK and stay with KB but something threw him off the edge???

At some point he decided that KB must be gone permanently. He built a profound resentment against her. According to KK it was about KB's handling of the baby, but I don't believe it. What did KB do to PF that he hated her so much to want her dead? Did she humiliate him in some way?

 

[Warwick7]

Perhaps he knew FOR A FACT no one would pop in, but I think under normal circumstances people would be VERY worried about a townhome sitting full of blood for 36 hours if they had just murdered someone in there--even if the victim had few friends and no family in the area.

It was THANKSGIVING weekend. If I were PF, I would be worried sick that KB could have mom, brother, aunt, uncle, cousin, or friend coming for a surprise visit to see her and the baby--and boom, murder scene is discovered. What is a neighbor SAW something suspicious and called the police? What if a neighbor HEARD something suspicious and called the police? What is someone breaks in? What if KK runs her big fat mouth and tells somebody and the cops go check it out?

I'm sorry, but it is REALLY REALLY bizarre that he left that house with blood "everywhere" for such a prolonged period of time.

Good point!!!!

 

[Aydrianna523]

I posted something like this last night. Maybe in convo he asked her “did you get the door knob” & she had an “oh crap” moment then concocted her story of leaving evidence to help LE.

Oh, I missed it. I was MIA [from websleuths] off and on all day yesterday. Like minds.

 

[v0x]

Again, the night before the murder, PF's behavior is very strange

He has an ulcer. What is KB going to do for him that his own Mother, an RN can't do? Why does he make KB come out there on a cold winter night to give him some meds? Some over the counter stuff, likely. Why does he send her out after cows on a different property for at least 3 hours in the middle of the night? Is SF aware both KB and Baby K are there that night?

Baby K was clearly around him or his mother. Why did KB then have to wearily take Baby K back about 4 am and drive from his place to her own, then text him only 5 hours later.

He had to be in the last few hours of planning the murder the next day. He'd already thought of a bat or an iron rod, as we have heard from KK, so he was well prepared mentally to batter this woman to death. LE hasn't noted that he was texting KK or she was texting him that night. Why not let KB have an accident out in the dark in a remote part of the pasture?

And the next day is weird too.

And then the massive overkill, if KK is to be believed. And the almost ritualistic destruction of her remains in the burn pit on his very own property. Didn't he think LE would come out there and notice that immediately? And he appears to have let KK participate in the burn

And the burn didn't need to be hidden from his mother

And his own brother, a sworn law enforcement officer, seems to give him an alibi that doesn't pan out on reviewing the cell phone records.

And his mother pleads the 5th.

I think he may have planned on doing the deed that night, but chickened out. As I’d said in a previous post, if he’d asked KKL to do it three times prior, certainly doing it himself wasn’t his first choice. The blindfold involved in her murder is further evidence that he was a cowardly killer. He couldn’t bear to look into her eyes. IMO.

And, yes, I think he was aware that LE would come looking for evidence at the property, and he thought he was smarter than them by removing the remains of the body. Not realizing there would be other evidence left behind.

 

[ab01]

I still can't help but wonder if the coffee was in fact tainted. I know KK said that she communicated with PF and said she couldn't do it and he was mad etc. But I still wonder if It more went like I'm sorry it didn't work she wouldn't take it etc. I'm sure maybe we will find out that texts do support her version. But if the texts are vague or if it was a phone conversation with PF, I'm just not sure I can give her the benefit of the doubt. MOO

 

[indicolite22]

"You have a mess to clean up"

It sounds like "We're in this together. Now do your bit." He was convinced that she wanted KB dead as much as he did.

 

[Trudie]

Could he have possibly drugged KB when he picked up the baby (perhaps brought her a tainted coffee)? She would have gone to sleep, as he expected, then he returns to kill her. I’d like to know if the security video shows KB opening the door for PF when he returned after the Walmart trip, or if he let himself in. All speculation and theorizing by me. And all dependent on how much of KK’s account is accurate, in that the murder happened in that timeframe.

With blood all over the apartment, it sounds like P had to chase KB from room to room. Unless there was something he was looking for afterwards. But, what?
Iirc, bloody footprints, even upstairs? Hard to put in perspective bc P could have easily killed K or anyone with one swift blow.

 

[Steelslady]

Cripple Creek. HMMMMMM.
Isn't there strange DNA at Kelsey's?
I wonder who's it is.

I brought a certain person's name up before pertaining to this.

 

[Ccging]

One thing I’m curious about is that PF and KK were involved since 2016 according to the affidavit and her ex. Yet, in 2016 he also goes online to meet someone else. So he was not happy with just KK. Wonder when she REALLY found out about KB? And I wonder if KB was one of several girls he met online? I wonder if there are others that he was seeing in 2016? I’ve also wondered if he had a reputation with the local girls, hence him preferring women that were not in CO? Just thinking out loud.

 

[Trudie]

Interesting point. One of the first questions that popped into my head yesterday was: Why did she wait until nearly 24 hours after PF called her to BEGIN her drive down there? It seems to me that she would make the trek that night and be there the next morning! Who leaves a house full of blood for 36+ hours?? What if her parents popped in to surprise her? Her brother? A friend? A co-worker? It is a HOLIDAY after all.

But, KK also supposedly stayed in a hotel the night of the 23rd while en route. Maybe she had to work on Friday the 23rd and couldn't leave until after work? Then again, they had that odd conversation on Thanksgiving where he ordered her to "just talk" (not even sure what that means exactly) and she thought there was "no way" of getting out of this "this time," which implies he knew she had some time off at Thanksgiving, which leads me to believe she didn't work at all from the 22nd-25th.

I wondered if she gave any thought to someone “popping in” during her cleaning frenzy.

 

[Trudie]

One thing I’m curious about is that PF and KK were involved since 2016 according to the affidavit and her ex. Yet, in 2016 he also goes online to meet someone else. So he was not happy with just KK. Wonder when she REALLY found out about KB? And I wonder if KB was one of several girls he met online? I wonder if there are others that he was seeing in 2016? I’ve also wondered if he had a reputation with the local girls, hence him preferring women that were not in CO? Just thinking out loud.

Can’t name them.

 

[jewelsmac]

It sounds like "We're in this together. Now do your bit." He was convinced that she wanted KB dead as much as he did.

And was going to make sure she wasnt going to get out of this situation without active participation. Period.

 

[NCTeacher]

I think he may have planned on doing the deed that night, but chickened out. As I’d said in a previous post, if he’d asked KKL to do it three times prior, certainly doing it himself wasn’t his first choice. The blindfold involved in her murder is further evidence that he was a cowardly killer. He couldn’t bear to look into her eyes. IMO.

Possibly.

Personally, though, I would be more scared of getting caught beating someone in the middle of the day, in a townhome in the middle of a complex than in the middle of the night, out in a field in the middle of nowhere. Heck, he could've had her "trampled to death" by an animal and crisis averted, and he'd come out smelling like a rose.

 

[MemPat]

Interesting point. One of the first questions that popped into my head yesterday was: Why did she wait until nearly 24 hours after PF called her to BEGIN her drive down there? It seems to me that she would make the trek that night and be there the next morning! Who leaves a house full of blood for 36+ hours?? What if her parents popped in to surprise her? Her brother? A friend? A co-worker? It is a HOLIDAY after all.

But, KK also supposedly stayed in a hotel the night of the 23rd while en route. Maybe she had to work on Friday the 23rd and couldn't leave until after work? Then again, they had that odd conversation on Thanksgiving where he ordered her to "just talk" (not even sure what that means exactly) and she thought there was "no way" of getting out of this "this time," which implies he knew she had some time off at Thanksgiving, which leads me to believe she didn't work at all from the 22nd-25th.

I've wondered if KK intended to drive straight through to CO but got so sleepy she had to pull in to a motel.

 

[MemPat]

Possibly.

Personally, though, I would be more scared of getting caught beating someone in the middle of the day, in a townhome in the middle of a complex than in the middle of the night, out in a field in the middle of nowhere. Heck, he could've had her "trampled to death" by an animal and crisis averted, and he'd come out smelling like a rose.

I'm pretty convinced PF had something planned for KB that night out with the cows but it fell through, MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

We know is what she told law enforcement. Everything is predicated on what..." she said".
I think it's hard to leave someone doped up for a day and a half and tied up ....or is it worse and more risky to leave a bloody apartment empty for a day and a half risking someone coming in.
I'm just not convinced yet it wasn't her that did the beating.

That’s the thing with KK. Lies? Truth? Batsh*t crazy?

 

[Kapua]

So, just jumping in and off your post, I guess I'd like to take a minute to speak to that point.
I've seen similar sentiments expressed on the thread re: Dan May, and people's understandable feelings of dismay re: the deal he proffered to KK.
I say understandable because I share those exact same feelings you and countless others here have expressed.

Frankly, the fact that KK received such a sweetie beauty of a deal sticks in my craw,
and I don't even know what a craw is.

KK doesn't deserve a pass.
But for all intents and purposes, she's been given a pass.
Life doesn't always hand us what we deserve.

They say justice is blind.
In this case, Lady Justice had to strap on her blindfold w/ regard to KK's actions.
It had to be done.

Because PF must, must, MUST be made to pay for his savage, vicious snuffing out of KB's precious life's breath. PF took everything from KB. Everything. And he did it in a cruel, barbaric and bestial way.

PF is evil incarnate. I really believe that.

I think Dan May recognizes the extreme danger that PF poses to society, and he made the determination that PF had to be locked away forever at any cost, both for the safety of society as a whole and as a just punishment for his ferocious extinguishing of KB's light.

I'll bet you anything that Dan May absolutely hated having to make that deal with KK.
As much as this deal sticks in my craw and yours, too, probably, I'll bet it sticks in Dan's even more.
But he knows what the overarching imperative he's been tasked with is, and that's to make sure PF pays for his actions.

PF plotted KB's murder.
PF solicited KB's murder.
PF executed KB's murder.
With a baseball bat. A baseball bat!

Dan May is going to eviscerate PF in the courtroom.
Dan is going to bury PF, but he needs KK's cooperation and testimony to do it.
KK is the only one holding the magic shovel.

Frazeeing PF is the real imperative here. So, I swallow the bile that rises in my throat every time I think of KK walking out of the courthouse a free woman, because right on the heels of that thought is the absolute conviction that Dan May is going to ensure that PF never draws a free breath for the rest of his unnatural, unholy life, which hopefully won't be a long one.

For me, that's enough.

Here endeth the manifesto.

Again I have to thank Gitana for her expertise and insight. She indicated that LE did not know how deeply involved in this KK was until she told them what she did and saw. LE knew she was involved. They knew she moved the phone. They (probably) did NOT know about the solicitations, murder attempts, and cleanup until they cut the deal. I assume KK had an attorney and was not talking until LE made her the proverbial "offer she could not refuse". Then she sang like a canary. LE probably lost their lunch and had to shower twice after hearing what she had to say. When you look at it from that perspective, you say, OH. LE would not have had the wealth of information they now have to nail PF had they not cut the deal with the devil's spawn. MOO

 

[Steelslady]

No, the c.r. were covered with aluminum foil. Allegedly, the foil had blood splatter on it, and the foil was thrown away by KK.

What is so utterly ridiculous is that KK even left those rolls on the counter. Why not just discard them?