CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

[WhimsicalWillow]

According to the affidavit, KK and her husband divorced in the summer of 2018. KK had been seeing PF long before that. Her husband was interviewed by LE and was not interested in any details of the affair, according to #48. Her ex husband said that PF and KK were lovers during college.
https://media.krdo.com/npg-krdo-media-us-east-1/document_dev/2019/02/20/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant_1550677282748_35101921_ver1.0.pdf

 

[v0x]

I'm having a hard time understanding why if KK showed them the burn spot there was zero evidence of Kelsey's remains.

The remains were subsequently removed, while evidence of the tote, and accelerant were found as I recall from the affidavit

 

[WhimsicalWillow]

My apologies, I meant to say that the news reporter, Sam Kraemer tweeted that it live during the court case that KB called PF asking to break up with him and saying she felt like she didn't know him anymore.

 

[Warwick7]

Not to mention, two days after a brutal murder like that- can you imagine the copper smell of that place from the blood? I read a couple of articles online where it says it can take from two days to two weeks to clean up a crime scene, like Krystal described. She did all that cleaning in 3-4 hours by herself? She must be the Wonder Woman of crime scene cleaners.

My husband is starting to get interested in what has been going on. So as I type I'm also filling him in on stuff.

This is what he just said: " The court hearing yesterday was based on her statements or supposition correct? Just because that is her statement or supposition, that doesn't mean that's what happened. Picture her being killed someplace else like out on a ranch far away....then enough blood is collected to be spattered oall over a house on tinfoil on toys on the baseboards. Then made it look like it was cleaned up. Hun there is no hardcore evidence that a killing happened there. You're only going off her statements and supposition which could be all lies."

Now I'm stunned now I'm numb and I got to start all over from Square One!!!

 

[epiphany]

Prior to the preliminary hearing, my motto had been that I didn't care if the jurors hated KK, just as long as they believed what she had to say about PF.

Today, knowing what was revealed to us about both PF and KK's brutal, unconscionable, actions against KB, I'm seething!

I'm seething about "plea deals," and the resultant injustice to the victims.

I'm seething that KK confided in so many people about PF's solicitation to murder KB, and all remained silent.

I'm seething that nobody warned KB, or the authorities.

And I'm sorry to say this, but I'm fuming over what appears to be the gross incompetence of the WPPD in investigating the crime scene (KB's condo)!! There, I said it!

Yes, I hope that I'm completely wrong here but it really seems to me that the only reason PF was arrested on 12/21, and not before, was because KK had to provide them the evidence required to do so.

Unless proven otherwise, I don't believe that WPPD had any any evidence that KB was murdered, and/or murdered in her home, up until KK fed it to them. Phone records are good, but they won't convict PF.

I believe WPPD considered KB a woman that was having relationship issues, and that she took a break away from PF. I also believe that "local" PF's word mattered more over the outsider KB, and detectives delayed thinking and/or believing KB could be a victim of homicide.

I'm angry that DA May made a deal with the devil, but I'm more angry that it doesn't appear to me that he had much choice! -- I feel his pain, I think we all do -- especially after the hearing.

I'm also aware that CB texted WPPD that she believed she found blood in KB's condo, and I'll never understand why it was KB's mother that located blood evidence, and not the trained detectives.

I have to trust that PF will go away for the remainder of his life, and there will be justice for KB, but I do worry now that the jurors will hate KK more than believe her! It's pretty easy to want to finger her as the murderer. I know the evidence points to PF, but his defense only needs one juror with reasonable doubt.

KK getting a pass, and not being severely punished, is just a difficult pill to swallow today.

MOO

Damn, Seattle, You nailed it with this post!

 

[Aimeili]

Oof. Finally caught up! My opinion...PF naively assumed KK could just kill KB in an easy manner by tainting her coffee, but when that didn’t happen, he got angry and suggested an old fashioned bludgeoning. After those failed “attempts” and possibly his failed attempt on Thanksgiving Eve, he finally carried out the deed himself. Per a pp, the sweater blindfold was a cowardly way for him to hit her at first. I think once he started, he couldn’t stop...hence the scene.

How on earth KK managed to clean (most) everything up after it all sat there for 36 hours is beyond me. I have a hard enough time cleaning food my toddler smeared on a wall when I wasn’t looking if it dried for a few days.

Others have referred to KK as a manipulator and I couldn’t agree more. I bet she was in on this (as far as PF was concerned) as much as him. She sounds like she’s try to fit her lies/version of the story with enough of the truth so she also appears to be a victim.

Do they have KK on the neighbor’s camera coming or going from KB’s house the 24th like they had PF on Thanksgiving? Or not because neighbor only had free service that stored 7 days of images & LE didn’t contact KK until 12/14? But wouldn’t WPPD have searched the footage through at least the 25th (when KB’s phone last sent texts) when they searched the thanksgiving day images?

 

[Oregon]

KK should have saved that tooth. Otherwise 99% of the crime scene story is his word against hers.

No body, no murder weapon.

In the back of my mind, I have KK having pics or a recording as insurance; murder scene, PF’s clothes, something that will incriminate him if the tables get turned on her. It won’t save her, but will take them down together.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm having a hard time understanding why if KK showed them the burn spot there was zero evidence of Kelsey's remains.

Someone posted a picture of the troughs on PF’s property.

They are metal, and would have contained the remains within a concentrated area.

It would have taken considerable time to shovel the ashes and bone fragments into trash bags, but it appears he did something like that.

 

[v0x]

My husband is starting to get interested in what has been going on. So as I type I'm also filling him in on stuff.

This is what he just said: " The court hearing yesterday was based on her statements or supposition correct? Just because that is her statement or supposition, that doesn't mean that's what happened. Picture her being killed someplace else like out on a ranch far away....then enough blood is collected to be spattered oall over a house on tinfoil on toys on the baseboards. Then made it look like it was cleaned up. Hun there is no hardcore evidence that a killing happened there. You're only going off her statements and supposition which could be all lies."

Now I'm stunned now I'm numb and I got to start all over from Square One!!!

Again I believe occam’s razor applies here

 

[InvSmith]

Since KK has a plea bargain, will she ever go to trial?

Oh, if there is one decent judge that doesn't think her punishment is just it can be overturned. She could also be charged federally, civilly, and additional state charges for other violations. One deal is one deal not all. I think any patient treated by her should be reviewed for deaths and adverse reactions as well for each state she carries a license.

 

[heartgoesout]

The remains were subsequently removed, while evidence of the tote, and accelerant were found as I recall from the affidavit

Yes, I read that.
Yet absolutely no evidence of remains. I find that striking.

 

[ab01]

My husband is starting to get interested in what has been going on. So as I type I'm also filling him in on stuff.

This is what he just said: " The court hearing yesterday was based on her statements or supposition correct? Just because that is her statement or supposition, that doesn't mean that's what happened. Picture her being killed someplace else like out on a ranch far away....then enough blood is collected to be spattered oall over a house on tinfoil on toys on the baseboards. Then made it look like it was cleaned up. Hun there is no hardcore evidence that a killing happened there. You're only going off her statements and supposition which could be all lies."

Now I'm stunned now I'm numb and I got to start all over from Square One!!!

While its certainly true that she may not be entirely truthful about certain parts. I'm sure LE and Fbi have matched up enough of her story, certainly the critical parts to be able to verify what she has said. Prosecutors don't just give a plea deal based solely on uncorroborated statements MOO

 

[indicolite22]

It was said by someone else a relative of KB's could have popped in for a surprise. When CB and her son CB arrived at Kelsey's they were able to let themselves in with her own key. A thanksgiving pop in surprise could be someone with their own key like her mother. With a bloody house that is a risk to take

She spoke with her mother on the phone twice on Thanksgiving. Do you think she would still make an unannounced visit? Her mother lives in Idaho, right?

 

[acutename]

Perhaps that was his plan that night, and he lost his nerve. If he asked KKL on 3 separate occasions to do it for him, clearly doing the deed himself wasn’t his first choice.

no shower for him/ too dark to see what he is doing/ did not have "the story"
together/ forgot his plastic container (just thinking what he is missing)

 

[sunshineandlove]

So the night before Thanksgiving, he contacts her and says he has an ulcer and needs meds and someone to check on the cows. Allegedly, she willingly spends until the wee hours out doing these things for him. (Guessing there is surveillance if she went to a store to get a prescription or some sort of medication for him, and also her cell would ping out by his place or wherever his cattle were.) The next morning, she talks to her Mom and everything is good, she and PF are going to do things together for Thanksgiving and she's planning to make a recipe hence the trip to Safeway. Next he's at her house helping her carry in her groceries and flowers, then he takes Baby K and goes to Walmart (to get what?), then returns to her house with Baby K and apparently a candle or two, and then he beats her to death?

When exactly did they break up as her aunt said they broke up that day. There is a lot of missing information and I don't think KK knows that part of the story. Something major is missing.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Great Post!! Yes I do know what it's like to clean blood up. As I said in a post early this morning I own a cleaning company. I also do construction clean up and 911 cleanup. Dawn and peroxide is the only only way to make sure nothing stains. You cannot get blood out unless you use those two products. KK use the washing machine. With a day and a half of dried blood--- there still will be stains. I have used to bleach recipe, but you risk carpets being bleached out or colored wrong. Also bleach smells for days.

I just pounded on "Like", Warwick! I don't have a cleaning company, but I do have a brother that likes to fall and hit his head and tell me days later after refusing medical help. He has dementia.
I also can't imagine Ma coming out to the porch to see what "those two were up to" either.
I have forgotten...cadaver dogs hit on bodies only. But do they hit on blood soaked items or spatter, anyone?
MOO, MOO

 

[v0x]

Yes, I read that.
Yet absolutely no evidence of remains. I find that striking.

What evidence would be expected to be found if the moulten remains of the plastic tote with human remains in it were removed and placed elsewhere?

 

[heartgoesout]

My husband is starting to get interested in what has been going on. So as I type I'm also filling him in on stuff.

This is what he just said: " The court hearing yesterday was based on her statements or supposition correct? Just because that is her statement or supposition, that doesn't mean that's what happened. Picture her being killed someplace else like out on a ranch far away....then enough blood is collected to be spattered oall over a house on tinfoil on toys on the baseboards. Then made it look like it was cleaned up. Hun there is no hardcore evidence that a killing happened there. You're only going off her statements and supposition which could be all lies."

Now I'm stunned now I'm numb and I got to start all over from Square One!!!

I agree with your husband. This is her narrative and we have no reason to believe it.
Edit to add my signature has been my experience.

 

[WhimsicalWillow]

This case reminds me of the Tara Grinstead murder. There were rumors that she was burned in a Peach Grove on one of guys that are involved's family's farm. From my understanding, he told LE his high school friend killed Tara and needed his help to burn the body. Many suspected that he was more involved because his family was wealthy and well known in the community. I haven't checked on the latest updates of the case but that's what this case is reminding me of. KK and PF watching KB's body burn. I cannot believe it. This case is so bad.

If KK didn't "sing like a bird" to LE for the deal, then KB could have ended up like Tara Grinstead, who was murdered in 2005 and nothing came to light until 2017...

I believe DA May felt PF was a serious danger to the community and needed to make the deal with KK.

 

[InvSmith]

Very weird indeed. I also wonder if this was a murder plot that didn’t pan out in the middle of the night.
I’m also wondering where baby K was since I thought she was with KB in the early hours of Nov 22. Did KB bring her in the car seat, sleeping? Not accusing KB, rather noting again how incredibly awful PF is to make KB go “help” him in the middle of the night.

Completely feel this was part of a working plot. Why have her out driving in and out of town then helping with cattle with a small child at night? Another unexplained piece.