CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*

[Noharg]

***warning this got a little graphic! ***

Because as a "responsible" gun owner, you have knowledge of WHERE your weapon is AT ALL TIMES.

You are also keenly aware of the number of bullets you placed in the magazine and are all accounted for.

Key word being, RESPONSIBLE.

Imo, leaving it unsecured in your vehicle and allowing someone to be take it from your possession with your unsecured weapon inside of it is IRRESPONSIBLE.

I'll even go so far as to say, that the person who borrowed your car, knows that your are well aware of the gun in the car and possibly that it was even placed it there for a very specific reason.

RESPONSIBLE gun owners don't leave their guns in cars unattended and unlocked, for the simple reason that they could be stolen.

RESPONSIBLE gun owners also report when their weapon and/or ammo is unaccounted for.
The reason being, if your gun is stolen /borrowed and used in a crime, the serial # leads back to YOU!
Upon the return of the vehicle, MG obviously checked to make sure her weapon was returned.
She also counted the # of bullets she had placed in the magazine and discovered one missing.

A RESPONSIBLE gun owner would absolutely call law enforcement and report the dates and times of when and who left with gun and car and when it was retuned by the "friend".
In the event that someone is killed by a weapon that you own or your ammo, you become a suspect by LE if you fail to report it immediately upon noticing the discrepancy.


KB gun is missing.
MG bullet is missing.
What guns did these two women own?
Could they both use the same ammo?

Lastly...
A "tooth" in a vent.
Riiiiight!!!!
Couldn't have been a "slug" now could it?

A slug can be traced to a weapon/gun owner and ballistics will point to the people involved.
A tooth?
It can only be related by DNA to the victim, not the killer!!!

Why was KK asked to retrieve it from the vent?

How did PF KNOW it dropped into a vent???

IMO- because a gun does make noise.
The sweater/candle was a set up for an execution.
The slug ended up inside if the sweater and when PF took it off of her face, the slug rolled into a vent.

Due to the possibility that someone heard the shot he had to take baby K and get the heck outta dodge!

ASAP! NO time to go fishing for the one thing that traces back directly to KB's gun or MG ammo.

Being shot in the back of the head would rule out suicide.
A beating by a bat and a tooth rolling into a vent...
He COULD have easily taken the time to collect it, but why bother. It didn't prove WHO did it.

Blood spatter was on the foil covering cinnamon rolls. It was also on the fireplace?
My best guess? Her body
was propped up by the fire place, scene staged and PF rinsed up in the bathroom enough to allow him to get out the door without any blood being seen by the naked eye of anyone outside of the home.

OR he did beat the living **** out if her and took his own sweet time to clean up for the fam din din later.
He realized before leaving that she was still alive and finished her off with a final shot to the head. (where the slug ended up in a grate.)

At any rate, for him to have knowledge of a tooth or a slug, he had to have been in control over the situation.
Moo

If he did knock her teeth/tooth out, I seriously doubt he did an inventory of her missing teeth!

Q: Why get rid of KB's gun?
A: Blow back.

Q: Why did MG report a missing bullet?
A: She was afraid if KB was ever found, the ammo that she had in her magazine placed in KB's gun to kill her with.

Thoughts?

I have wondered where the bat came from. Was it in KB’s place or did PF walk in with it? A gun would be easier to conceal as he entered than a bat.

 

[v0x]

I just don't get the blood- all over the condo, on the floor, everywhere, sitting for almost two days! Mix that coppery smell with bleach, and iyiyiyi, you better have a mask on. I was too afraid to ask how much blood was splattered, if there was a chance any bugs were in her condo when KK came in to clean.

Also, Kelsey would have lost other bodily fluid, too, when she died- urine and sometimes feces comes out (not always the feces comes out, but it is possible).

Now I need to bleach my brain from that image. Ugh!

As a professional nurse, I’d imagine KKL was well experienced with these things.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

My concern is what the defense for PF is going to come up with. I believe PF was attempting to frame KK for the murder from day one. PF was hoping he could convince a DESPERATELY in love KK to kill for him and then, if discovered, blame KK as "the jealous mistress that was obsessed with me for years".

I believe that PF is a manipulator and had a "back up plan" to get KK if she accused him of the murder...

I agree. He even wanted her to transport KB's body to Idaho...He was completely setting her up.

 

[MyBelle]

I’m pretty sure the cell phone data places him at KBs house, and KKL not in CO on the day of the murder

I'm pretty sure the cell phone data places a cell phone from Idaho in Woodland Park, CO on the day of the murder.
JMO

 

[heartgoesout]

It’s possible, but I do think that’s giving him too much credit.

I think he wanted Kelsey gone, and wanted an alibi.

Regardless. All the prosecution has to do, is connect him to this plot.

The burn site. The site where he hid the body. Dozens of lies to many people. That damning cell phone activity. That lie about when he last saw Kelsey.

There’s just too much to overcome.

I’m not the least bit worried.

And all the defense has to do is prove reasonable doubt. The State bears the burden.

 

[Steelslady]

A lot of people have to be lying, the cell phone data has to be wrong, and the surveillance footage has to have missed KK.

For me, it’s beyond a stretch.

Just curious- speaking of KK- was there any surveillance footage of her going into Kelsey's condo to do the clean up? It seems strange that we haven't heard anything about her entering or leaving the condo. Maybe that will come up during the trial?

 

[MassGuy]

Just curious- speaking of KK- was there any surveillance footage of her going into Kelsey's condo to do the clean up? It seems strange that we haven't heard anything about her entering or leaving the condo. Maybe that will come up during the trial?

There was no mention of it.

It either exists and they will wait for trial, or they simply don’t have any.

 

[Trocroc9]

I agree. He even wanted her to transport KB's body to Idaho...He was completely setting her up.

Not to give defense any ideas but I think she was the one who wanted it done .. he did what she wanted.

 

[MassGuy]

And all the defense has to do is prove reasonable doubt. The State bears the burden.

Yeah. I’m not seeing a hell of a lot of wiggle room for PF there.

The mistakes he made are staggering.

 

[Artis]

KK cleaning up the blood, nearly killing Kelsey herself three times, and being present at the burn site, was definitely surprising.

I don’t think it complicates the case though, or makes it any more convoluted.

It just means that she was far more involved than some of us believed.

If there is absolute proof that KK was in Idaho during the hours that Kelsey was likely killed, then, yeah. If there is not absolute proof (tech, CCTV), then her admitted history of several trips to stalk and kill Kelsey will create an opening for establishing reasonable doubt.

 

[v0x]

I'm pretty sure the cell phone data places a cell phone from Idaho in Woodland Park, CO on the day of the murder.
JMO

 

[heartgoesout]

I agree. He even wanted her to transport KB's body to Idaho...He was completely setting her up.

That’s what she said.
(I can’t say that without saying it like Michael Scott)

 

[WhimsicalWillow]

Per the reporter's live tweets, from the court room, it appears the defense might be gearing up to "go after" KK...

Sam Kraemer Retweeted
It seems like he knew Kenney was in love with him. In court, they said Frazee was her first love & that she still loved him. Basically taking advantage of that. As for the threats, yes. Kenney felt Frazee could inflict harm toward her kids

Adria @
@SamKraemerTV Why would PF solicit KK for the murder? He knows KK is that whipped for him? WHY on Earth would someone like KK (per fam/friends) consider it at least three times? #kelseyberreth #KrystalKenney #PatrickFrazee

Sam Kraemer (@SamKraemerTV) | Twitter

 

[Steelslady]

I can't imagine CB's grief and anger knowing what happened to KB and to her body after death. to have someone take your own child and dispose of them like they have the right to. how do you process anger like that?

Oh I can't either imagine her hell and anguish. You carry those precious children for nine months- you are already attached to them when you get the joyful news your pregnant. You watch them grow up to be happy, healthy and productive adults. Then to have some sicko and his side kick do what they did to Kelsey- forgiveness would never be on my list of things to do with the two of them. That would never happen.

 

[Steelslady]

I have wondered where the bat came from. Was it in KB’s place or did PF walk in with it? A gun would be easier to conceal as he entered than a bat.

Knowing that idiot, he probably brought a "black tote" full of scented candles and had the bat hidden in there already.

 

[Steelslady]

I'm pretty sure the cell phone data places a cell phone from Idaho in Woodland Park, CO on the day of the murder.
JMO

I thought so, too, but I can't find anything to back it up, where I read it. That's why this is bothering me so much.

 

[heartgoesout]

Yeah. I’m not seeing a hell of a lot of wiggle room for PF there.

The mistakes he made are staggering.

Are you willing right now as a juror to convict him?

 

[Sweetsbeach]

That’s what she said.
(I can’t say that without saying it like Michael Scott)

LoL

 

[MassGuy]

Are you willing right now as a juror to convict him?

No. But once I see all the evidence I’m sure I would be.

Now as a private citizen, I am absolutely convinced of his guilt.

 

[Artis]

I think KK helped Patrick.

If the security camera didn't pick up Patrick leaving with the black bag and didn't record KK entering/exiting Kelsey's apartment to clean it, the camera might not have picked up KK entering/exiting Kelsey's apartment on Nov 22nd.

KK knew about very specific details such as how the body bag was set on the ground near the car. That doesn't seem like a significant detail Patrick would have thought to share with KK. I think KK saw this happen. That's how KK knew this very specific, but insignificant detail.

Where did you read that about the body bag placed on the floor near the car? I agree that seems like a detail he wouldn't even focus on to relate to her.