CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

[ajaylee]

Getting back to the drugs/poison for coffee.
The drugs used are likely schedule one. Meaning highly regulated.
She can't as a nurse just get any drugs,any time legally.
So she either
A. Stole them from pharmacy,or wherever they are kept.
B. slipped patients fake pills she swapped for ambien, or whatever drug she chose.
C. She forged Dr.s signature.
All of the above I believe are federal crimes. I could be wrong.
So even she got a sweetheart deal for Kelsey's murder which sucks, does not mean she can't get nailed for the above forementioned.
Remember they couldn't get Capone for murder,or raqeteering, they got him on tax invasion,and put him away for a long time.
MOO

She's going to face two hurdles: retaining her license (in doubt) and getting hired somewhere.

It's pretty hard to keep your license if you are convicted of a felony. Like everything, you can appeal. No idea what her chances would be.

If she keeps her license, she still has to be hired. No employer who has looked into her background (ie, good employers paying good wages) is going to be comfortable with her statement about getting drugs strong enough to potentially kill KB from work. Now she could appeal that, claim there's no evidence because she never took any drugs, she was just talking trash to PF.

OTOH, she's part of a close-knit community and I suspect that in her neck of the woods, she enjoys the same kind of hometown advantage that PF does in WP/Florissant. I think her community will rally round to forgive her. Her ex-husband seems to want to protect the kids; he's not interested in dragging her name in the mud with prurient details about her affairs. They'll see PF as the murderous Colorado guy who destroyed two good women, one from Washington and one from Idaho.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

wasn't the "front door" on the side of the condo? or am i mistaken? That was my impression based on photos I have seen

Unequivocally, yes

That is why I think that KKL in her from the back and or did not park there and was therefore not caught on camera.

Moo.

 

[Steelslady]

Respectfully snipped and bolded by me.

Hold the phone, sister.

If KK left Idaho at 6:30 p.m. on November 23, and arrived in Woodland Park, CO, at 7:30 a.m. the next morning, November 24, there is no way she stayed anywhere for the night, let alone Greeley, CO.

What am I missing?

I just double-checked Google maps, and driving straight to Woodland Park from Twin Falls (via Greeley) is 11 hours, 26 minutes. And KK would have to drive THROUGH Woodland Park and on to Florissant to get the keys to KB's townhouse from the gate at PF's place, and then BACK to Woodland Park. Adding another hour plus or minus to KK's drive time.

An fyi: Driving straight from Idaho via Salt Lake City and Grand Junction to WP, which would take a driver through Florissant on the way to WP, is 11 hours 45 minutes.

Either route, I don't see how KK stays anywhere for the night.

Thank you! I've been saying all along, with others here, the timeline is just too tight for this. They have proof of her phone pinging along the way, I would imagine, but wow, that is an awful lot of travel for one person in a short period of time. Also, notice she didn't come Thanksgiving night- was she working the next day maybe, which may have delayed her? Something seems off with this, but the phones pinging- I've wondered if someone else drove her phone down while she used a burner phone, because her phone did ping along the way.

Had she started out earlier, I could see it fitting.

I also question leaving blood for what, at least 36 hours or so, before cleaning it? The smell of bleach would be in her condo for a bit- it would take a good amount of bleach to clean all of that up and not leave much trace of it for LE to see.

 

[Steelslady]

Do we know where the neighbor's surveillance camera was located. Was it looking towards her condo to the left? If so, it would see people entering and parking, but it would not see somebody at the specific door.

It would only see somebody approaching it from the parking lot.

If somebody approached the home from the rear of it, would that surveillance camera have caught it? I guess that's one thing for this case we have not found out is where was the surveillance camera. Was it to the left of the home where it caught the parking lot and her entrance door, or was it to the right of the home across the street or it would only catch the people from that parking lot and miss people coming in from the back, eg . If they were walking and entered not through the parking lot

But they have PF's friend picking up the package at her door. So it has to have a view of the door.

 

[Jessthinkin]

I think the positioning of the camera and what it was focused on was a big part of what was and wasn’t recorded. I also think there was probably video that wasn’t recovered before it was deleted. I think it will become much more clear why at trial moo

I sort of remember that the neighbor’s camera was motion activated to take a still shot, which would be emailed to the owner, but if the owner didn’t click on that email within a week, then the picture would be lost. Thanksgiving is such a busy day that most people wouldn’t be monitoring email, so it’s pretty amazing to me that any pictures were seen/saved at all, at least from that particular day...

 

[Artis]

I can only hope all of those peripheral people were as shocked to hear of the extent of KK’s involvement as we were during the 2/19/19 hearing. Maybe I’m naive but surely anyone with half of a moral compass would have intervened if they realized that KK was planning the murder right along with PF.

ETA: I still haven’t figured out how to quote a post. This is in response to AOA post above. Sorry!

Her buddy M knew everything. She knew Kelsey had been murdered, who did it, who cleaned up and while police and Kelsey's family were frantic to find out, M remained silent to protect KK.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

She's going to face two hurdles: retaining her license (in doubt) and getting hired somewhere.

It's pretty hard to keep your license if you are convicted of a felony. Like everything, you can appeal. No idea what her chances would be.

If she keeps her license, she still has to be hired. No employer who has looked into her background (ie, good employers paying good wages) is going to be comfortable with her statement about getting drugs strong enough to potentially kill KB from work. Now she could appeal that, claim there's no evidence because she never took any drugs, she was just talking trash to PF.

OTOH, she's part of a close-knit community and I suspect that in her neck of the woods, she enjoys the same kind of hometown advantage that PF does in WP/Florissant. I think her community will rally round to forgive her. Her ex-husband seems to want to protect the kids; he's not interested in dragging her name in the mud with prurient details about her affairs. They'll see PF as the murderous Colorado guy who destroyed two good women, one from Washington and one from Idaho.

Either way I bet the feds are going to sniff this out real good. Also KK is not a good woman. Not by a long shot.
MOO

 

[Kapua]

I found the tweet from Sam Kraemer that describes where KK parked on Nov. 24. This could be why the neighbor's camera didn't capture her entering or exiting KB's condo - if indeed it didn't.

1:56 p.m.

Replying to @SamKraemerTV
When she arrived, Kenney went to Frazee’s home and picked up a set of keys for Berreth’s phone left at the gate to Frazee’s. She parked at the Woodland Park Community Center and walked to Berreth’s home. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney
Sam Kraemer@SamKraemerTV

 

[Jessthinkin]

Unequivocally, yes

That is why I think that KKL in her from the back and or did not park there and was therefore not caught on camera.

Moo.

What if PF left a window in the back unlatched so KK could enter that way (?)

 

[ajaylee]

None of this makes sense to me. Why didn't PF just shoot KB the night she was getting him stomach meds? Or lure her out of the house TG day and shoot her. The baseball bat and that much blood screams of a woman doing the murder. I hope they gave KK a lie detector text with 2 of the questions being...did you commit the murder and were you present at the murder. It's a good thing I won't be on the jury because with my thinking...PF might easily walk free. I would hate for that to happen but I think KK was the puppet master. Hopefully there won't be anyone else on the jury that thinks like me.

Alibi.

PF wanted a foolproof plan where he had a rock solid alibi for the time period when KB disappeared or was killed. This was where KK came in. She would come into town, do the dirty work, and disappear like a ghost. She didn't live there, so no one would have any reason to connect her with KB. She didn't even use her own car.

 

[LietKynes]

Getting back to the drugs/poison for coffee.
The drugs used are likely schedule one. Meaning highly regulated.
She can't as a nurse just get any drugs,any time legally.
So she either
A. Stole them from pharmacy,or wherever they are kept.
B. slipped patients fake pills she swapped for ambien, or whatever drug she chose.
C. She forged Dr.s signature.
All of the above I believe are federal crimes. I could be wrong.

MOO

Snipped for brevity and BBM

Re. the posssible drugs in the coffee drink/poisoning : Agreed. I wouldn't put anything past her.
It's hard to imagine any hospital or clinic welcoming her with open arms, now.
Unless she lies to them.

Can't imagine myself or my loved one in her care.
What a chilling scenario.

 

[Artis]

There's been several msm reports that she threw remnants of the
burned evidence into a gorge. Interesting tidbit:
Her MIL's property (where she'd been living w/ ex) sits on the edge of
a large, deep gorge w/ a small
river running through it. I saw this way back when her name first came out and I was just waiting to hear something got tossed in
that gorge.
This woman doesn't deserve to have air to breathe, she's vermin.

Hmm. KK said that PF was going to dispose of Kelsey's post fire remains in a dump or a river. I am not convinced she didn't take those remains and they are in Idaho. The car that KK borrowed to go to Colorado should be examined very carefully. I have a feeling it wasn't.

 

[PommyMommy]

From that Zillow set of photos, the camera cannot face KB's door if it is set to photograph the neighbor's door. If it is set to face the neighbor's door, it would catch the side of KB's driveway near the fence but not the walkway to KB's door.

If it can be swiveled remotely, it certainly could be facing directly onto KB's walkway and front door, but as it is for the neighbor, I would think the neighbor would want it on their own front door and walkway.

I can see that it would not be able to capture PF, KKL, or others entering KB's front door, and if KKL walked up to the condo, it might very wall not capture her walking up

I don't think we have enough information about the neighbor's camera to draw any firm conclusions yet. However, my best guess is that they may not have pics of KK because she parked farther away and walked up, whereas PF parked behind KB's two vehicles. (I am still looking for that link that described where she parked.) MOO

Well maybe my spidey sense is going off and thinking- did she really do the clean up after all?

Then again, there's no video that we are aware of of Patrick bringing the tote in and out of the house, either. Maybe it does go on and off in preset intervals. There's no other exit area from her townhouse without cameras, is there?

One could approach KB's front door from the other side, across the back lot. You would have about a 3-4 foot wall or fence, but it doesn't look that difficult.

As I mentioned, the neighbor's camera would likely be aimed 180 degrees away from KB's front door.

I'll bet PF spotted the neighbor's camera. It's right on top of the TV dish. Not that difficult to see. If he wanted to, he could put the black tote over that back wall, walk around the adjoining unit and load it into his truck without being in camera range

I am supposing that KK walked the road from the Woodland Park Community Center to KB's and stepped over the little wall at the end of the walkway. See Zillow photo #2.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...977198,38.955204,-105.124826_rect/12_zm/1_fr/

Woodland Park Community Center to KB's - Google Maps

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
When she arrived, Kenney went to Frazee’s home and picked up a set of keys for Berreth’s phone left at the gate to Frazee’s. She parked at the Woodland Park Community Center and walked to Berreth’s home. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Not sure if this is the right one, but you can see a camera on the next door neighbors satellite dish. Don't like mentioning him because I don't like him, but DWAP pointed it out in his latest video.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/...dqCiIYEI5AVgknfBK3jGeg7Fa-lqz3RLLdV67b7ajhG0E

Thank you, I see the satellite, but I don't see a surveillance camera in that photo. Can you point it out?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

The aunt drove with KK to Colorado for the coffee stalking event? Where can I read about that?

I believe it's in the arrest affidavit, and included in KK's plea.

 

[Deleted member 718]

You can see in this pic that the neighbor's front door is actually a floor below KB's front door because they are built on a hill. I assume the neighbor would position his camera to view his own front door. So anything the camera captured of KB's door would be caught from an peripheral angle.

 

[PommyMommy]

Well, you are nicer person about it than I am.
She sure didn't mind having a big bonfire on KBs body.

And then possibly ate pizza.

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth
After the fire, Slater said Lee told him Frazee told her to take a nap. She told Slater he brought her two slices of pizza and an Ibuprofen because she had a headache.

None of this makes sense to me. Why didn't PF just shoot KB the night she was getting him stomach meds? Or lure her out of the house TG day and shoot her. The baseball bat and that much blood screams of a woman doing the murder. I hope they gave KK a lie detector text with 2 of the questions being...did you commit the murder and were you present at the murder. It's a good thing I won't be on the jury because with my thinking...PF might easily walk free. I would hate for that to happen but I think KK was the puppet master. Hopefully there won't be anyone else on the jury that thinks like me.

BBM

Maybe that's exactly why he used that method.
MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

wasn't the "front door" on the side of the condo? or am i mistaken? That was my impression based on photos I have seen

I don't know about that, but I remember it was said that the camera was across from her house facing the front door, but I could be wrong.
Actually I am behind now so I guess I'll check to see if its already been answered.

 

[PommyMommy]

What if PF left a window in the back unlatched so KK could enter that way (?)

There are no windows in the back.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/269-E-Lake-Ave-Woodland-Park-CO-80863/62719652_zpid/
MOO

 

[Artis]

She got divorced and went right into remove KB mode. KB was in her way. Whether the origination of the idea to get rid of KB started with KK, PF or SF, she was totally on board with that idea and took action....multiple times over thousands of miles. And she took care to try to hide it from her ex.

Exactly. THOUSANDS of miles. I live in western Michigan and one of her round trips is the distance from my house to Miami!!! Two of her round trips is the distance from New York to California. We know she made at least three of these trips (excluding the clean up trip) - in a couple of months! I cannot get over the obsessive determination of this woman to make all of those trips to stalk Kelsey and come close to killing her.