CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

[justaparent]

IMO PF looked at the CW case and tried (unsuccessfully) to avoid some of the mistakes he made. The only thing he did right was shut his mouth and not speak to the press and immediately get an attorney. He also made sure there was no body to be found. But he was dumb enough to enlist the help of others and if he hadn’t perhaps he would have skated on this.

Did he follow CW’s method of putting what was left of her body in a mine shaft or other similar place? We have no idea. But I do think he looked at that case and decided he could do the same thing, Except he was incredibly stupid in many of the details. Why? Who knows, but I think part of it was total cowardice. Maybe to claim that others had murdered her or simply because he was too much of a coward to do it himself. In any case, he is a total monster and so are the people who helped him.

MOO

 

[Artis]

Not sure if this is the right one, but you can see a camera on the next door neighbors satellite dish. Don't like mentioning him because I don't like him, but DWAP pointed it out in his latest video.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/...dqCiIYEI5AVgknfBK3jGeg7Fa-lqz3RLLdV67b7ajhG0E

I've looked at that and wondered if it was part of Dish Network equipment. Whatever it is looks like it's pointed at the satellite dish.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I thought it was a conversation, related by CB herself, from some time before the murders.

It was a text to her. Sent Thanksgiving night. Which based on our understanding of when KB was killed, we can assume was not actually sent by KB herself but by someone using her phone.

CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*

 

[Dave F.]

The Snake River gorge is the predominant river gorge in area of Hansen, ID (where I believe the property was where KKL lived with ex and children). The Snake River gorge is approximately 2, 400 feet deep at this point. Going to be very very difficult to search that area.

Malad Gorge State Park, where she told Inv. Slater she threw the keys, is located at 1074 E 2350 S, Hagerman, Idaho 83332. It is 39.6 road miles from KKL's home, and well within the 5G LTE range of the Verizon tower at 446 S. Main, Gooding, Idaho 83330
Malad Gorge - Idaho

 

[Herat]

I think interstate transporting of two guns not registered to you might also be a federal crime. We can only hope.

ATF would have to have better proof that the guns were in her possession in three different states. I think the verbal report of MG wouldn't be sufficient to convict her on that.

 

[Herat]

Malad Gorge State Park, where she told Inv. Slater she threw the keys, is located at 1074 E 2350 S, Hagerman, Idaho 83332. It is 39.6 road miles from KKL's home, and well within the 5G LTE range of the Verizon tower at 446 S. Main, Gooding, Idaho 83330
Malad Gorge - Idaho

The site where she claims to have burned KB's phone and her own burner phone is the property in Hansen, ID. Do we have any better location for that property?

 

[Artis]

This. I've wondered if the prosecutors are playing with semantics a bit, hedging on exactly what they have on KK.



Since corroborating KK's story was not the point of the hearing, maybe the prosecutors didn't have to show every detail?



Oh I think LOTS of people knew, a little or a lot, but as KK has been shown to LIE LIE LIE to everyone in her life we've heard about, it may take some pressure from LE to get any of her hangers-on to TELL THE TRUTH about this situation. Everyone in KK's acquaintance is so busy covering their behinds, Kelsey and her daughter and family and all they have lost are getting lost in the shuffle. That is another tragedy. KK is a disgusting excuse for a human being.

Iirc, there are two aunts--one in Idaho who drove her to the lawyer, and one in Colorado, Auntie K, who was KK's ride along with the coffee stalking incident.

But as others have asked, what the heck did the Auntie K think was happening when KK took a coffee to KB?? What was the explanation and reason from KK to Auntie K?

And since the idea of the coffee was to take a poisoned drink to KB, wouldn't Auntie K be considered an accessory to attempted murder?

I'm hopeful that all of the details of KK's involvement that KK is still lying about will come out, her deal will be busted, and all of these players who enabled KK to stalk and attempt murder against KB will be brought to justice, as well.

None of the people that KK told can be charged with anything.

As for KK and this disgusting deal, yeah, I hope she does something to screw it up and get's charged with, at least, accessory after the fact and goes to prison. I'm sick of hearing how she didn't actually kill Kelsey. Charlie Manson didn't kill anyone at Tate's or LaBianca's either and he died in prison.

 

[Artis]

Yes, her front door faced her neighbor's front door, IIRC.

I don't think so. Look at the pics. The neighbor's place is a different floor plan.

 

[MyBelle]

Her attorney might, if the deal was contingent upon her taking and passing one.

She gave them a story; they had to verify it.

Plenty of plea deals require a defendant to pass a polygraph after they provide an account to law enforcement.

When a plea deal isn’t in the offing, no defense attorney would allow his client to take a polygraph.

This was different.

KK only retained an attorney AFTER LE informed her they knew she was lying. No good defense attorney would risk the client failing a poly AFTER a sweet plea deal was offered.

No mention of any polygraph at the prelim. Only that she spoke with LE for over 4 hours after the DA offered the plea deal and her interview was audio/video recorded.

JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

It was a text to her. Sent Thanksgiving night. Which based on our understanding of when KB was killed, we can assume was not actually sent by KB herself but by someone using her phone.

CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*

I'm still confused. Where did the statement that "she felt safe" come from? Was it contained within the text or was it from another conversation CB had with Kelsey? I read that whole article about the hearing and couldn't find it.

 

[MassGuy]

KK only retained an attorney AFTER LE informed her they knew she was lying. No good defense attorney would risk the client failing a poly AFTER a sweet plea deal was offered.

No mention of any polygraph at the prelim. Only that she spoke with LE for over 4 hours after the DA offered the plea deal and her interview was audio/video recorded.

JMO

If the DA said “polygraph or no deal,” then her defense attorney wouldn’t have any recourse.

The fact that it wasn’t mentioned in the preliminary hearing, means absolutely nothing.

Lots of things weren’t mentioned.

Now I have no idea if she took a polygraph, but it absolutely happens.

It has nothing to do with the defense attorney being good or not, in this particular situation.

This is unique.

 

[justaparent]

I am not convinced that custody was the only motivating factor in his desire to get rid of KB. If it was, that didn’t come from him. It came from someone else who wanted custody of the baby. I think there’s more to the motive — just a gut feeling.

 

[Bluebythec]

Thank you! I've been saying all along, with others here, the timeline is just too tight for this. They have proof of her phone pinging along the way, I would imagine, but wow, that is an awful lot of travel for one person in a short period of time. Also, notice she didn't come Thanksgiving night- was she working the next day maybe, which may have delayed her? Something seems off with this, but the phones pinging- I've wondered if someone else drove her phone down while she used a burner phone, because her phone did ping along the way.

Had she started out earlier, I could see it fitting.

I also question leaving blood for what, at least 36 hours or so, before cleaning it? The smell of bleach would be in her condo for a bit- it would take a good amount of bleach to clean all of that up and not leave much trace of it for LE to see.

I had entertained that thought as well. Her friends seemed so eager to help her. Maybe they kept her phone active in ID and she was there way earlier than can be proved?

 

[Bluebythec]

Thank you! I've been saying all along, with others here, the timeline is just too tight for this. They have proof of her phone pinging along the way, I would imagine, but wow, that is an awful lot of travel for one person in a short period of time. Also, notice she didn't come Thanksgiving night- was she working the next day maybe, which may have delayed her? Something seems off with this, but the phones pinging- I've wondered if someone else drove her phone down while she used a burner phone, because her phone did ping along the way.

Had she started out earlier, I could see it fitting.

I also question leaving blood for what, at least 36 hours or so, before cleaning it? The smell of bleach would be in her condo for a bit- it would take a good amount of bleach to clean all of that up and not leave much trace of it for LE to see.

I had entertained that thought as well. Her friends seemed so eager to help her. Maybe they kept her phone active in ID and she was there way earlier than can be proven?
EBM, half a sentence got cut off.

 

[QueenBofOB]

This murder would have been so much cleaner and left so little tracks had they used drugs to knock her out, take her somewhere, then finalize the murder with further drugs to OD her. They had that option at their disposal. But no......PF had to rage kill her! Then he orders KKL to clean the horrific mess? And she drives 800 miles one way to do it?

The scary thing, is that they may have even gotten away with it, had they drugged Kelsey and put her, in her car somewhere. Then the miscreant boyfriend could've blamed in on her depression. For an RN, this KKL woman, is incredibly STUPID.

 

[enelram]

I had entertained that thought as well. Her friends seemed so eager to help her. Maybe they kept her phone active in ID and she was there way earlier than can be proved?

You could be right.
According to comments from her friends and colleagues at the
hospital where she worked, she seemed to be well liked and was
described as fun to be around.
She must have been personable for other women to be so supportive and flattering.
Like PF, she seems to be able to get others to help her out when she needs something.

 

[Dave F.]

The site where she claims to have burned KB's phone and her own burner phone is the property in Hansen, ID. Do we have any better location for that property?

3760 E 3800 N, Hansen, Idaho 83334.............it's in the Complaint for KKL's charge.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user.../Teller/caseofinterest/2019CR17/Complaint.pdf

 

[makayla]

I don't see how KB was in her way. PF and KB were not married, and shared a child, just as KK does with her ex and children. Parents usually work out child custody arrangements without resorting to murdering the other parent (thankfully)! She should have warned KB of PF's murderous intentions when she brought over the coffee. That was the perfect opportunity. They could both have called LE then. MOO

That’s what makes sense to us, but I think KK wanted to keep her cowboy around, rather than in prison. I’m not sure how KK could have been so infatuated with PF to be willing to come down three times and attempt to kill Kelsey, and even though she didn’t completely follow through, it appears she was still willing to help him with the coverup. I truly don’t believe she was fearful (nobody drives towards danger over and over again) - I think she wanted to help PF get rid of KB, as awful as that was. JMHO ...

 

[MyBelle]

ATF would have to have better proof that the guns were in her possession in three different states. I think the verbal report of MG wouldn't be sufficient to convict her on that.

I think MG notified LE when she realized the bullet was missing. It was mentioned at the Prelim. so I'm guessing a police report was made.

JMO

 

[ilovechili]

This murder would have been so much cleaner and left so little tracks had they used drugs to knock her out, take her somewhere, then finalize the murder with further drugs to OD her. They had that option at their disposal. But no......PF had to rage kill her! Then he orders KKL to clean the horrific mess? And she drives 800 miles one way to do it?

I have to say this is what throws me off. It is so plotted, discussed, talked about between them many times per the alleged facts although most of those come from most likely liars (KKL and PF). Yet he goes towards a steel rod, a baseball bat, etc. What was this rage? You want to make it look like a suicide yet you use a bat? I have different thoughts on the reasons yet none of them make much sense. And it is hard to say whose thought this actually was either in their imaginative discussions.

This woman was jealous as he** of Kelsey, I would bet my ranchette on it. I doubt he cared much for either and cared less if they both went down in this matter and may have been the intent...

I just want to give a shout out for those that do the timeline info, etc. I have tried to catch up on this case a few times since the hearing but have finally given up and jumped forward. I have read the affidavit and the timeline, etc. and have kept up. I just hate that I will never probably get to read every remark as they are so insightful with different views and thoughts.