CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

[ab01]

What people are seeing in photos of the neighbors satellite dish is nothing more than the LNB head unit. It’s part of the dish and receives the signal from the satellite. It’s not a security camera

 

[ab01]

If the DA said “polygraph or no deal,” then her defense attorney wouldn’t have any recourse.

The fact that it wasn’t mentioned in the preliminary hearing, means absolutely nothing.

Lots of things weren’t mentioned.

Now I have no idea if she took a polygraph, but it absolutely happens.

It has nothing to do with the defense attorney being good or not, in this particular situation.

This is unique.

I agree and I bet that plea deal was only offered if she agreed to take a poly! They already knew how much she had lied preciously. I’m not sure how her lawyer could have changed that...moo

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

KK has two aunts: "Auntie K" resides in Colo, and sat in the car parked in alley when KK took coffee to KB. Agent Slater said she Aunt K was unaware.

It was an unnamed Aunt in Idaho that drove KK to Boise to retain lawyer just before KK made deal with DA to cooperate.

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

Thank you for clarifying. Easy to understand how one would be suspicious though, with all the people who did know before,and after. Yet did nothing, or helped out.

 

[Herat]

So the Hansen property of KKL's family is about 2.3 mile from Hansen Bridge across the Snake River. It's only about 350 feet high.

That would certainly be a well-known place for KKL to be disposing of anything else that PF or she didn't want found

Hansen 1966 Bridge - HighestBridges.com

 

[Herat]

That’s what makes sense to us, but I think KK wanted to keep her cowboy around, rather than in prison. I’m not sure how KK could have been so infatuated with PF to be willing to come down three times and attempt to kill Kelsey, and even though she didn’t completely follow through, it appears she was still willing to help him with the coverup. I truly don’t believe she was fearful (nobody drives towards danger over and over again) - I think she wanted to help PF get rid of KB, as awful as that was. JMHO ...

I can see KKL as hanging around PF's prison, visiting regularly, wanting to marry him, enjoying the notoriety

 

[MassGuy]

I can see KKL as hanging around PF's prison, visiting regularly, wanting to marry him, enjoying the notoriety

I doubt it. She’s the reason that he’s behind bars, and the reason that he will likely spend the rest of his life there.

Even if she wanted to see him, he almost certainly wouldn’t want to see her.

He probably wants to do to her, what he did to Kelsey.

 

[mtnlites]

If the DA said “polygraph or no deal,” then her defense attorney wouldn’t have any recourse.

The fact that it wasn’t mentioned in the preliminary hearing, means absolutely nothing.

Lots of things weren’t mentioned.

Now I have no idea if she took a polygraph, but it absolutely happens.

It has nothing to do with the defense attorney being good or not, in this particular situation.

This is unique.

I think some people are confused by the idea of a preliminary hearing and what, exactly, goes on in one. Not everything comes out in it, and the lack of something being mentioned doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or isn't relevant. I can see how it could be confusing.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

ATF would have to have better proof that the guns were in her possession in three different states. I think the verbal report of MG wouldn't be sufficient to convict her on that.

I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for the ATF it is their specialty after all.

 

[Herat]

I doubt it. She’s the reason that he’s behind bars, and the reason that he will likely spend the rest of his life there.

Even if she wanted to see him, he almost certainly wouldn’t want to see her.

He probably wants to do to her, what he did to Kelsey.

I think PF does what he perceives to be the best interest of PF. If something can be gained from allowing KKL around, he'd do it.

 

[enelram]

So the Hansen property of KKL's family is about 2.3 mile from Hansen Bridge across the Snake River. It's only about 350 feet high.

That would certainly be a well-known place for KKL to be disposing of anything else that PF or she didn't want found

Hansen 1966 Bridge - HighestBridges.com

Yes, Yes, that looks just like their property frontage on the gorge.
If I recall, their yard/property was not fenced off and I thought
what a terrible place to be raising little kids/toddlers next to that
deep gorge.
I think that's near where Evil Knievel did his famous jump over that gorge on a motorcycle back in the day.

 

[MyBelle]

I agree and I bet that plea deal was only offered if she agreed to take a poly! They already knew how much she had lied preciously. I’m not sure how her lawyer could have changed that...moo

And if KK failed the poly, the DA would lose his star witness. Why take that risk? The goal was to have PF arrested with no possibility of bail and baby K safely with her maternal grandmother. Mission accomplished.

JMO

 

[Seattle1]

I think MG notified LE when she realized the bullet was missing. It was mentioned at the Prelim. so I'm guessing a police report was made.

JMO

MG's gun and missing bullet are cited in the AA.

While there was testimony about KK borrowing MG's car, I find nothing about MG's gun and missing bullet in testimony at the preliminary hearing. Can you please share the link where it was mentioned at the prelim.

 

[Nudgee]

Hmm. KK said that PF was going to dispose of Kelsey's post fire remains in a dump or a river. I am not convinced she didn't take those remains and they are in Idaho. The car that KK borrowed to go to Colorado should be examined very carefully. I have a feeling it wasn't.

I'm not so sure about that.... but I have to believe that LE has a really darn good reason to start searching a specific landfill on Tues., lasting possibly up to 80 days. Leads me to think someone (possibly KK) gave them some kind of information that we have not seen/heard yet.

 

[MassGuy]

MG's gun and missing bullet are cited in the AA.

While there was testimony about KK borrowing MG's car, I find nothing about MG's gun and missing bullet in testimony at the preliminary hearing. Can you please share the link where it was mentioned at the prelim.

Yeah, I can’t find anything mentioned in court, that discusses MG’s gun or missing round.

The only discussion of a gun, was in regards to Kelsey’s.

It being brought up in the prelimary hearing, appears to be wrong.

 

[mtnlites]

MG's gun and missing bullet are cited in the AA.

While there was testimony about KK borrowing MG's car, I find nothing about MG's gun and missing bullet in testimony at the preliminary hearing. Can you please share the link where it was mentioned at the prelim.

Yeah, I'm not finding it in the prelim notes, just the AA.

I keep feeling like I'm losing my durn mind.

 

[ab01]

And if KK failed the poly, the DA would lose his star witness. Why take that risk? The goal was to have PF arrested with no possibility of bail and baby K safely with her maternal grandmother. Mission accomplished.

JMO

I think their is some confusion how the state uses polygraph tests on potential witnesses. They give a polygraph, review the answers, go over what wasn’t truthful. Rinse and repeat.....moo

They are concerned about learning the truth!

 

[MemPat]

I can only hope all of those peripheral people were as shocked to hear of the extent of KK’s involvement as we were during the 2/19/19 hearing. Maybe I’m naive but surely anyone with half of a moral compass would have intervened if they realized that KK was planning the murder right along with PF.

ETA: I still haven’t figured out how to quote a post. This is in response to AOA post above. Sorry!

Just click Reply and the quote will post above your words.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm not so sure about that.... but I have to believe that LE has a really darn good reason to start searching a specific landfill on Tues., lasting possibly up to 80 days. Leads me to think someone (possibly KK) gave them some kind of information that we have not seen/heard yet.

I agree.

He could have dumped Kelsey’s remains, and potentially other evidence, just about anywhere.

To focus on a particular place, and have that be a place as daunting as a landfill, seems to mean that they have a solid reason for doing so.

That’s a lot of time and expense to be searching a place like that.

Gotta be a reason for it.

 

[Gardener1850]

Malad Gorge State Park, where she told Inv. Slater she threw the keys, is located at 1074 E 2350 S, Hagerman, Idaho 83332. It is 39.6 road miles from KKL's home, and well within the 5G LTE range of the Verizon tower at 446 S. Main, Gooding, Idaho 83330
Malad Gorge - Idaho

I wonder why she did not simply throw KB's phone in the gorge with the keys? It stopped pinging there so she must have shut it off or destroyed it at the gorge before returning to her house to burn it in the front yard. Why bother taking the evidence back to her house?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

@Tippy Lynn

Your wonderful timeline has a problem in the section below. Unfortunately the tweets during Prelim also don't exactly match the AW. But that's not as important. Here's the problematic section of the timeline in italics:

PF was seen on Walmart & Williams Furniture Store surveillance, and on Arlo camera by KB’s neighbor caught KB, baby K and PF at KB’s door at 1:34 p.m.

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KB, baby K and PF were actually all seen on neighbor's surveiilance camera "around 1:00PM". Ref:

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
State gives him another still of that neighbor’s surveillance. He says it shows Berreth, Kaylee, Frazee & her flowers out front of Kelsey’s door around 1 p.m.

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The AW item#12 states that an individual matching PF's description was later seen entering KB's residence at approximately 1324. ( 1:24PM )
Ref: AW pdf

Tweets during the Prelim state 1:34PM , just a ten minute difference. Ref:

Ashley Franco‏ @AshleyKKTV 1m1 minute ago
Commander says#PatrickFrazee was seen going toward #KelseyBerreth townhome. A neighbors home surveillance has pictures of#PatrickFrazee at Kelsey’s door. That was around 1:34 pm the day she went missing.

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PF was at the WP Walmart 1254 - 1317 per their surveillance camera. Ref: AW item #11

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The wording in @Tippy Lynn timeline blurs 2 of PF's 3 appearances at KB door on 11/22 into a single event (the around 1:00PM with KB&baby, and the 1:24/1:34PM event with PF alone).

Thanks for all your hard work, @Tippy Lynn

What should the bullet say?