CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[MemPat]

There is NOTHING like some Pommy CliffsNotes

Amen.

 

[PommyMommy]

No, he drove it to Nash Ranch on Thankgsgiving afternoon, by himself in his red 2008 Totota pickup. They went to pick it back up on the 24th. He drove his little ancient Toyota pickup with the shell on the bed. She drove the borrowed car with expired plates. IMO

Can you point me toward a photo of the red truck with a shell on it? I know the green truck has a shell. How did the camera capture the tote if it was in the back? Or was it in the back?

Patrick Frazee to face trial after preliminary hearing
Frazee was also seen on surveillance video at his bank with a baby carrier in the passenger seat and the black tote bag in the rear.

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth
The prosecution finished questioning Adams by asking him to look at a surveillance video from a bank that shows Frazee with a baby carrier in the passenger seat of his car. There is a black tote in the vehicle that Adams said investigators would learn played a “significant role” in the disappearance of Kelsey Berreth.

Kelsey Berreth murder investigators focused on ‘black tote’ in back of Patrick Frazee’s truck: Report
Courthouse reporters in Teller County, Colorado, on Tuesday have stated in live Twitter updates that Frazee was seen on surveillance camera footage at a bank on November 22, the day Berreth was last seen alive, with a black tote back in the bed of his pickup truck.

 

[Dave F.]

Investigators depict gruesome murder scene with new details in Berreth murder case. Is Patrick in court Monday to plead or is that bad reporting

That's a Motions Hearing. It just going to be lawyers and the judge, I think. When they get the motions up on the website, we might learn a little more about the defense strategy, and may get a hint whether the prosecution is going to try for the DP. IMO

 

[Kapua]

Marking spot and just a reminder KK's story of events/places/things does not mean that any of it is true.

Point taken, HGO. As I mentioned yesterday, people can lie, but technology does not lie. For that reason, the prosecution will need to back up witnesses' stories (not just KKL's) with evidence such as cell phone records and captures from video surveillance cameras, such as the one at Safeway that captured KB's last shopping trip.

 

[ajaylee]

Exactly. We talked so much about the cinnamon rolls in the beginning, but as I said then, they were a clue. Because nobody who is planning a week-long trip would leave freshly baked, yummy cinnamon rolls behind, nor would anyone leave them uncovered once they had cooled. KK could have packed KB's suitcase, threw in some clothes and makeup, drove her car a ways, pushed it off a cliff, and then called PF to drive her back. There were two evil-doers, both too stupid to set up an alibi. Just unreal. MOO

Yeah, and then PF sent that fake text to himself saying "Do you really not love me?"

I suppose genius PF thought that the rumors he planted about KB's depression, possible drug/alcohol problems, possible other man, plus this text and her 'disappearance' would lead people to assume she did a Terry Ackerman, a Colorado woman who apparently walked out of her house last August and disappeared - no missing car, left her purse and keys, just gone. Toss KB's gun into the mix and you have the possibility of suicide, reinforced by the fact that she left her purse and keys behind.

In the unlikely event KK's cleanup missed something, I suppose the backup story would be that KB had been afraid for her safety and PF is heart-broken that he didn't take her fears more seriously, must have been a madman, thank heavens whoever killed KB didn't get Baby K.

Of course, those story lines had problems, probably because PF got impatient. The suicide/runaway scenario just didn't make sense if KB's car was gone. If she was abducted, then it would be hard to explain the cleanup. Besides, neither story line really worked with what appeared to be her cellphone pinging in Idaho. If she was voluntarily running away without either of her cars, she still wouldn't have gone to Idaho without her purse and keys. If she was abducted to Idaho, her abductor would be unlikely to take her phone along.

If she was possibly seeing someone in Pueblo, she wouldn't have left her purse and keys behind and she wouldn't have been sending despairing messages to PF.

It's like a terribly tragic example of "Dumb and Dumber".

 

[jewelsmac]

Upcoming court dates:

March 4, 2019 - Monday

• PF - Legal Argument Hearing - 8:30 am

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330

March 11, 2019 - Monday

• PF Wrongful Death - Scheduling and Planning Conference - 1:30 pm

Case: 19-cv-00027-PAB-KMT

April 4, 2019 - Thursday

• Disposition Hearing (Custody) - 8:30am

Case #: D602018JV26
Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search

April 8, 2019 - Monday

• PF - Arraignment - 8:30 am

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330

June 24, 2019 - Monday

• KK- Review Hearing - 11 am - Teller County

Case #: D602019CR17
(KK is allowed to appear for review hearings by phone until closer to sentencing)

So, Arraignment in April.....

Getting way ahead of things, when are the best guesses of when the actual trial would start? Because i am going to have to go over previous post with a fine tooth comb to keep going just until April.

 

[Kapua]

ETA: Wolf in sheeps clothing, sometimes my brain works faster than my fingers.....my wife says my mouth does as well

LOL, I saw that but it didn't detract from the thought stream at all. My fingers sometimes aren't fully on board with my brain, either, which is why I often go back and edit my posts.

 

[Dave F.]

The other notable thing about the hay barn at Nash Ranch is that LE brought in the cadaver dog and used the tractor to hoist it up to a position above the dark spot. It got a "hit" there. The then lowewred it down and had it walk the length of the stack. It got another "hit" in the dirt area where KKL said PF would have taken the tote off the hay forks and set it on the dirt floor until he could move the tractor and back his pickup up to the tote. IMO

 

[lindaromas]

According to Idaho's iCourt Portal, KKL's divorce from CL was filed on April 29, 2016 and final decree June 27,2016.

But with stipulations if I remember correctly!

Edit/add I went back to thread 44 to find my post but golly, that's a lot of searching! Is there a way to search for the posts you made? I even made a comment about wondering what the stipulation was I believe filed 6/2016

 

[jewelsmac]

Can you point me toward a photo of the red truck with a shell on it? I know the green truck has a shell. How did the camera capture the tote if it was in the back? Or was it in the back?

Patrick Frazee to face trial after preliminary hearing
Frazee was also seen on surveillance video at his bank with a baby carrier in the passenger seat and the black tote bag in the rear.

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth
The prosecution finished questioning Adams by asking him to look at a surveillance video from a bank that shows Frazee with a baby carrier in the passenger seat of his car. There is a black tote in the vehicle that Adams said investigators would learn played a “significant role” in the disappearance of Kelsey Berreth.

Kelsey Berreth murder investigators focused on ‘black tote’ in back of Patrick Frazee’s truck: Report
Courthouse reporters in Teller County, Colorado, on Tuesday have stated in live Twitter updates that Frazee was seen on surveillance camera footage at a bank on November 22, the day Berreth was last seen alive, with a black tote back in the bed of his pickup truck.

Makes me angry just to see him holding that sweet baby.

 

[MemPat]

So, Arraignment in April.....

Getting way ahead of things, when are the best guesses of when the actual trial would start? Because i am going to have to go over previous post with a fine tooth comb to keep going just until April.

2 years

 

[BingoBongo]

Deleted by me.

 

[ab01]

2 years

Also there will be no guilty plea in this case imo. PF is going to ride this out till the end, that’s just who he is!

 

[k-mac]

Marking spot and just a reminder KK's story of events/places/things does not mean that any of it is true.

yes I agree
but....
I think the DA has had to find supporting confirmation aside of her about every single point to reach her deal she has to bring goods the DA are 100% sure about imo.
no sketchy stuff.
and from what we have seen there is doubts and questions so to my mind there is MUCH MUCH MORE on him via her with supported evidence

moo

 

[YESorNO]

Landfill Search For Kelsey Berreth’s Remains To Begin Tuesday (with clip)

February 25, 2019

"...The Woodland Park Police Department detectives and other law enforcement officials will begin searching the Midway Landfill located at 8925 Rancho Colorado Boulevard in Fountain on Tuesday.

Investigators say are focused on recovering Berreth’s remains and any additional evidence in the landfill. The search is expected to take 16-80 days. This is the second time investigators will search the landfill. The first time was on Jan. 17....

During testimony in court last week, Kenney said she then watched as Frazee burned Berreth’s body on his property. She told police that Frazee planned to throw the remains in a dump or a river.

Frazee will be in court on April 8 for an arraignment where he will enter a plea...."

Landfill Search For Kelsey Berreth’s Remains To Begin Tuesday

(The Midway Landfill [credit: CBS])

 

[ajaylee]

2 years

If PF really already has an ulcer now, he's going to be in pretty bad shape in two years! He'll sit and stew and rage. He'd be a fool to pick up the phone and vent to/at KK. He has to know that even if he gets out on bail or somehow is found not guilty, he'll have to start fresh with his farrier and cattle business and it seems pretty unlikely at this point that the custody of Baby K will go to the Frazees.

IIRC, PF has suggested that he has to help SF because she has health issues. I get the impression she may have retired early because physically she wasn't up to nursing. If PF is behind bars, and he has made it clear that she needs a lot of his help around the ranchette, then I think that will work against her getting custody.

I really hope that SF doesn't try to push the issue of visitation with Baby K. I'm not suggesting she did anything wrong in this instance, but she and PF didn't let CB visit Baby K, so I'd like to see CB return the 'favor'. I hope the law agrees.

 

[katydid23]

Since we established many, many threads ago, that it is not against the law to know about someone planning a crime and doing nothing about it.. Does the same go for knowing after and saying nothing? Will SF face any kind of charges do you think?

Good question. But do we know for sure that she KNEW what it was that was burning? Could PF have told her it was a dead animal carcass or something like that?

 

[Steelslady]

Exactly. We talked so much about the cinnamon rolls in the beginning, but as I said then, they were a clue. Because nobody who is planning a week-long trip would leave freshly baked, yummy cinnamon rolls behind, nor would anyone leave them uncovered once they had cooled. KK could have packed KB's suitcase, threw in some clothes and makeup, drove her car a ways, pushed it off a cliff, and then called PF to drive her back. There were two evil-doers, both too stupid to set up an alibi. Just unreal. MOO

Thank you! The original story by Patrick to Kelsey's Mom was that she went to visit her sick grandmother. Also, the text sent to her work also stated she was going to be out to visit a sick relative. It doesn't make any sense that a woman would leave cinnamon rolls on the counter and trash in any barrel- bathroom, kitchen, etc for a week or so. Even milk in the fridge would get tossed out, if she had so called planned to be gone for at least a week. Not to mention, she talked to her mother twice on Thanksgiving- surely her own mother would have known that she was going to go visit her sick grandmother!

 

[BingoBongo]

But with stipulations if I remember correctly!

Edit/add I went back to thread 44 to find my post but golly, that's a lot of searching! Is there a way to search for the posts you made? I even made a comment about wondering what the stipulation was I believe filed 6/2016

I am not sure what you mean.

"A stipulated judgment is an agreement between the parties to a case, which settles the case. Such agreement or settlement becomes a court judgment when the judge sanctions it. ... For example, if you and your spouse agree on all the matters about your divorce, you can submit a stipulated judgment to the court."

"In legal terms, a stipulation means there's no need for the court to rule on a certain issue, because the parties to the lawsuit already agree on it. You and your spouse might stipulate to certain facts as part of your divorce trial, such as the date you were married or separated, or the number of children you have. These things are not in dispute. You can also stipulate to a resolution of all issues and avoid a trial entirely."

From what I can tell, the divorce was pretty straightforward. They each took parenting classes, which are, I think, pretty standard in divorces where minor children are involved.

 

[Steelslady]

I think if that was the case we sleuthers would be where we were 2 weeks ago knowing nothing and speculating on everything!

Yeah, we probably would go further back than that and discussing cinnamon rolls and the Safeway video.