CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[ab01]

Hey, where did everybody go??? LOL I'm just catching on the thread from a hectic week.

Did I miss anything major? I have a case of FOMO

Massguy said he had to go see someone about a horse this weekend... or something like that

Nah nothing at all mainly just rehashing things, no new info

 

[Noharg]

Possible, but I don't believe the candle/sweater ruse myself. I think his shirt or sweater got bloody and he took it off. He'd still need KK to retrieve it since it would be highly incriminating. Although, OTOH what a bizarre scenario to make up in relation to everything else that was going on with this homicide!

Does anyone know the general consensus here on the thread as to whether or not PF did actually use the candle/sweater ruse? <I think the way you worded that LOL> Yes or No?

I find it hard to believe, but maybe that was the charming, playful side (eye roll) of PF. Plus I also can’t figure how he got a bat into the place. If my bf walked in with a bat, well...

JMO

ETA of PF

 

[PommyMommy]

And didn't the borrowed car have expired tags also, or am I just hopelessly behind on some details? If it did, that to me is more than strange that KK would risk driving a vehicle with expired tags 800 miles each way when her main goal is to go undetected. Feel free to correct me.

You're correct. Both these people (KK and MG) are so lackadaisical, it wouldn't surprise me if neither one of them knew the tag was expired.

Possible, but I don't believe the candle/sweater ruse myself. I think his shirt or sweater got bloody and he took it off. He'd still need KK to retrieve it since it would be highly incriminating. Although, OTOH what a bizarre scenario to make up in relation to everything else that was going on with this homicide!

Does anyone know the general consensus here on the thread as to whether or not PF did actually use the candle/sweater ruse? <I think the way you worded that LOL> Yes or No?

It's a strange detail to come out if it didn't happen. Why make that up? The truth is often stranger than fiction...
MOO

 

[FunkyMonkey]

I find it hard to believe, but maybe that was the charming, playful side (eye roll) of PF. Plus I also can’t figure how he got a bat into the place. If my bf walked in with a bat, well...

JMO

ETA of PF

Some people keep a bat handy near the door for self defense.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Depending on what he bought at Walmart, he could have arrived with a big bag holding a variety of things, including the scented candles (yes I do believe some version of that scenario happened). A bat inside a big shopping bag could have looked like a roll of wrapping paper. Heck even the sweater could have been just bought, though I suspect otherwise.

 

[ab01]

If KB was resting or showering, I’m not sure it would have been very difficult to sneak a bat in. As I doubt he knocked on the door before he entered, I think he probably just walked right in imo.

 

[MassGuy]

Depending on what he bought at Walmart, he could have arrived with a big bag holding a variety of things, including the scented candles (yes I do believe some version of that scenario happened). A bat inside a big shopping bag could have looked like a roll of wrapping paper. Heck even the sweater could have been just bought, though I suspect otherwise.

If he bought the bat at Walmart, then he’s in worse trouble than he already is (if that’s possible).

He’s also in huge trouble if he purchased a candle, which I do think is likely.

He never imagined that he would be caught, so he probably didn’t care if he was caught buying incriminating things.

He went there for a reason, and it’s almost certainly related to what happened shortly after he left Walmart, and returned to Kelsey’s.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

If he bought the bat at Walmart, then he’s in worse trouble than he already is (if that’s possible).

He’s also in huge trouble if he purchased a candle, which I do think is likely.

He never imagined that he would be caught, so he probably didn’t care if he was caught buying incriminating things.

He went there for a reason, and it’s almost certainly related to what happened shortly after he left Walmart, and returned to Kelsey’s.

I don't think he bought the bat at WM but I do think he made sure he had a shopping bag big enough to conceal the bat, which he could have added to the bag between the store and KB's house. All IMO...

 

[OldLadyBlues]

I find it hard to believe, but maybe that was the charming, playful side (eye roll) of PF. Plus I also can’t figure how he got a bat into the place. If my bf walked in with a bat, well...

JMO

ETA of PF

Being the mother of boys and having previously lived in Louisville, I have quite a collection of bats which sit behind each of my doors to the exterior. I have no gun. KB had a gun but it had been taken away. Like KB, I have also had the occasion a time or two to have questionable people show up at one of my doors. IMHO, she either already owned a bat or PF so graciously supplied her with one for protection. (note sarcasm)
Yes, I understand in the grand scheme of things in home protection that bats are not the best thing. However, when you actually answer the door leaning on one, they get your point across and prove to be effective.
MOO, MOO

 

[OldLadyBlues]

And just for the record, I prefer wooden ones.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I find it hard to believe, but maybe that was the charming, playful side (eye roll) of PF. Plus I also can’t figure how he got a bat into the place. If my bf walked in with a bat, well...

JMO

ETA of PF

heehee, I wish I had Pommy's awesome *puke* emoji. Hard as I try I can't imagine a scenario where PF has a playful or charming side. I know he must surely.....but I can't bring the mental picture to my mind.

Even when PF was 'lugging' baby K around before he was arrested, he seemed cold and stern. The way he handled her was odd to me. Not arm around with her cuddling into him, but PF with his arm around her middle holding baby K outward. IDK, maybe it's because I now know what he's done, but even back then it seemed distant to me.

 

[Herat]

Just because I get lost in all the sidebar discussions...

Is there any chance PF brought the famous black tote with silver handles into KB's place when he went there on T-Day before he killed her? Such as with stuff from Walmart, bringing over "stuff for the baby"?

ie: Did he bring the bat/ candles/sweater etc into her home in the famous black tote with silver handles?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I am just now listening to Crime and Scandal podcast (Levi show) and Tricia's answer to Levi's question on why she (KKL) participated and didn't call 911....

At about 8 minutes into podcast (Audioboom / Kelsey Berreth murder case) Tricia said battered woman syndrome is explanation as the answer to why....

I am gonna have to relisten, as did I hear that correctly?

 

[Hatfield]

Something that I am wondering about now after thinking about it more is the vague account KK gave about what PF did with the final burnt remains. She claims she didnt know what he did with them and she even said its possible he threw them in a river as one of the possibles. Wait a minute here KK. Im thinking you would know exactly what he did because you know everything else.

You supposedly watched him burn KB in the tote and you dont know where he went with the burnt remains? I doubt that.

Now I am really wondering if maybe PF and KK only burnt the tote container that once contained KB, the purse, some clothing, and other evidence that they know would burn up cleanly, and maybe PF took the body somewhere else for disposal.

Because PF would know that its almost impossible to burn up a body cleanly so maybe he did dump the body separately first before burning the tote container and the last of the evidence back at his farm.

PF and KK's original plan was if there is no body, then there is no murder. And KK set her story up that she never actually saw KB's body in the tote and just saw a clump as it burned so she could get away with lying about where the body actually went. She could always claim she thought KB was still in the tote when it burned.

Maybe KK still has some sick loyalty to PF to not want the body/remains to ever be found.

 

[Kapua]

Being the mother of boys and having previously lived in Louisville, I have quite a collection of bats which sit behind each of my doors to the exterior. I have no gun. KB had a gun but it had been taken away. Like KB, I have also had the occasion a time or two to have questionable people show up at one of my doors. IMHO, she either already owned a bat or PF so graciously supplied her with one for protection. (note sarcasm)
Yes, I understand in the grand scheme of things in home protection that bats are not the best thing. However, when you actually answer the door leaning on one, they get your point across and prove to be effective.
MOO, MOO

I was once approached by a sketchy man when weeding in my front yard. Fortunately, I had a mini garden hoe in my hand, and it has a wrist strap. So when he was talking to me, I just kept swinging the tool. He didn't stay long, LOL. So, yeah, KB didn't need a gun for protection. You can use different things as weapons.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Has there been any new info suggesting what PF may have been doing in the townhome for 2+ hours after he returned from Walmart?

He'd been cleaning himself up as suggested by the AA, I wouldn't think baby K would have had blood on her as she was in the back in a playpen. So he does the deed, wipes himself off with baby wipes and then what? Probably on her computer, phone accessing her FB and emails IMO.

Since KB was on PF's family cell plan <oh the irony there> I'm sure he had access to her call logs and activity, but having her phone gave him access to emails and FB . Still doesn't explain all that time to me, especially considering MamaF was waiting at the Franch for TG dinner.

MOO

 

[ajaylee]

Re: the question of whether or not KK ever saw KB's body.

I suspect this is one of those things that KK may or may not be telling the truth about. I can't see any way anyone except PF could challenge her on this, because as far as we know now, those are the only two people who could have seen KB after she died.

At most, it will come down to 'he said, she said' if PF claims she did see KB's remains.

Re: discussions about KK's driving routes - and the cameras on some routes.

IIRC, KK made a number of trips to Florissant before the three murder attempts. I don't know about you folks, but if I drove the same 800 mile trip multiple times, I'd probably settle on one route. I probably wouldn't change it up much unless I was visiting someone on the way or there was bad weather.

It seems to me that KK not only switched up cars (IIRC, she rented a car once, borrowed a car on another trip), she also switched up her routes - to avoid cameras?

I don't think she was just being cautious because of LE or her husband. I think deep down she knew that if it came to it, PF would sacrifice her to save himself without a second thought.

And personally, I'm at the point now where I don't think he particularly cared if she got caught. I wouldn't go so far as to say I think he was setting her up, but I think his original plan involved her doing all the dirty work. If KK had killed KB, PF didn't need to worry about disposing of the body - that would have been KK's problem.

 

[Kapua]

If KB was resting or showering, I’m not sure it would have been very difficult to sneak a bat in. As I doubt he knocked on the door before he entered, I think he probably just walked right in imo.

She could have been getting ready in the bathroom or bedroom and he could have let himself in with his key. He'd just been there and left, and she was expecting him back. MOO

 

[Auntie Cipation]

@Hatfield you just reminded me of something. During the supposed earlier attempts by KK, depending on how much of her story we can believe, PF wanted KK to kill KB and then "throw her body in a dumpster." That sure doesn't sound like a way to keep the body from ever being found, which we are now speculating was important to them both...

 

[Kapua]

<Snipped by me>
It's a strange detail to come out if it didn't happen. Why make that up? The truth is often stranger than fiction...
MOO

I agree. On the one hand, it seems out of character, but people are many-faceted and PF has been described as an "odd duck" (I almost typed "odd dick", LOL). MOO