CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[v0x]

Thinking about PF burning KB's body today.

I'm way behind in reading so you may have discussed this here.

It seems that he would have burned many bodies on site in the past, maybe on that very spot - dead cows and dogs.

He would know very well how long a particular kind of fire (gas/wood/oil) would take to burn as much flesh and bone as possible.

He probably has picked up and disposed of what remained many times.

I’m no expert, but I don’t believe it’s common practice for ranchers to burn animal remains. Perhaps we have experts that can weigh in on this.

 

[InvSmith]

I thought maybe a portion of beef, or a calf that had died could have been placed in the tote and made to look like he was burning KB, but not sure he was calving the end of November. Until we have definitive proof KB was in that tote being burned, I am not sure what to believe, BUT, I doubt LE would be doing a search of Midway Land dump if they did not have some kind of proof that is where she is.

I think if KK had taken KB back to ID, or killed her and disposed of her as PF suggested, it is KK that would be sitting in jail awaiting trial. He may have been hoping she was stupid enough to do it. Again, imo

I am not sure what I believe from these two but it would seem to be easier to carry a body than clean a bloody crime scene. I doubt KKL would have issues doing either.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I suspect PF and KKL were both insanely in love with the same man. IMO

Hah! So true...

 

[ilovechili]

Maybe kk asked him how he got kB out of the condo?

Could be but most people would say I picked up the tote and put it in the truck. One could even add "which was parked out front" and it would not seem so odd. There are other areas too it was just so detailed. I find it odd, it certainly does not come across as how most people would question or respond.

It would almost make sense if they wired her to get these details out of him and told her to get every little detail. Otherwise one or both had a sick need for every little detail or it comes across as she was present and it is a firsthand account.

I just agree with some that it is odd. No one I know would include such detail in a conversation. Not to mention it would not be a short conversation whenever it took place.

 

[allboys]

You are in for a real treat if you're a skier, snowboarder or going for snow related activities as we are getting dumped on this weekend! I too hope they find some evidence at the landfill. It is heartbreaking to see the local news reporting the search at the landfill. I say extra prayers for LE and all involved in the search. With the bad weather, the essential disgust of the landfill itself and the mission, it's a very grim job. IMO

Indeed, I will be skiing for the first time in 20 years, with my son who will be snowboarding for the first time. I have heard about all the snow- good for us, but bad for the search.

Bringing this back on topic, has there been any discussion about how unusual it is for a body to be moved twice?

Does anyone have thoughts on why PF waited to move KB to the ranchette on the 24th? He didn’t really need help, did he? Why was the decision made to wait until KK was there? I wonder if that was mostly his idea to involve her. Or possibly she wanted to be there or had promised to follow through with some sort of commitment to help erase ALL evidence of a crime that IMO, was the result of conspiracy by (at least) these two people.

I just remember before we heard any of these details, that some had mentioned the likelihood of PF moving the body being very slim. Perhaps logistics of caring for a baby, and a family holiday played a role. It definitely added more risk, but it seems these two were not afraid of risk. Or, were just too wreckless to stop and consider degrees of risk.

 

[v0x]

Actually, I believe this account may have been embellished here.

I recall that cadaver dogs made hit on area behind the bumper of KB's parked sedan. However, I don't recall the AA or agent testimony declaring that KB specifically cited that PF told her he set the black tote carrying KB's body down in the parking lot. Is there a link available for this account? TIA.

I think you meant KKL there, not KB.

 

[Seattle1]

I think you meant KKL there, not KB.

Yes I did, thank you.

 

[acutename]

I get the point being made--who tells someone, I brought in the grocery bags, then I set them on the floor next to the closet, then I used the restroom and came back and I picked up one bag....

This setting down of the tote is actually an excellent point of what seems wrong with her (or his alleged discussion of the facts with her) version of events. Who gives those kinds of details? Like the setting down of the tote?

the only way it makes sense being in the story is if he almost dropped it, which would make it an "event," and presumably dropping or spilling it is something he is trying to avoid

 

[girlhasnoname]

In thinking about this all after the initial shock of information. The trip involving the possible drugged coffee is straight out of Snow White and the cleaning of a scene and coming back as a heroine into the scence is straight out of Gone Girl. It is not exactly sane to use a bat or metal rod indoors so I have no idea what evil part of the brain this came from but all of it feels like a really bad plot. I would say these two are not exactly functioning with full executive function but living out some very twisted fantasy.

Or trying to make it appear that way

 

[acutename]

In thinking about this all after the initial shock of information. The trip involving the possible drugged coffee is straight out of Snow White and the cleaning of a scene and coming back as a heroine into the scence is straight out of Gone Girl. It is not exactly sane to use a bat or metal rod indoors so I have no idea what evil part of the brain this came from but all of it feels like a really bad plot. I would say these two are not exactly functioning with full executive function but living out some very twisted fantasy.

the burning keeps making me think of the Salem Witch trials- which, as we read, were started with a kind of hysteria and an idea that the burnt were "evil" and needed to be cast out ...

 

[Inthedetails]

the only way it makes sense being in the story is if he almost dropped it, which would make it an "event," and presumably dropping or spilling it is something he is trying to avoid

I agree. IMO, we are missing the context of the tote on the ground. Perhaps the baby acted up or needed his attention, perhaps a neighbor walked by. Or maybe the tote left a stain on the ground that he noticed when he picked it up (was KK assigned to clean it up?) that made the tote on the ground a memorable detail.

I don't know the context is, but something happened which made putting the tote on the ground stand out enough in the scenario that PF mentioned it to KK.

jmopiniononly

 

[v0x]

the burning keeps making me think of the Salem Witch trials- which, as we read, were started with a kind of hysteria and an idea that the burnt were "evil" and needed to be cast out ...

Kelsey was certainly no witch. What’s the point you’re trying to make here?

 

[lindaromas]

I am still thinking he took pics at the very least to show KK,
perhaps on KB's phone or a burner phone, he is the one that suggested KK buy a burner phone. That burner phone may have went up in smoke.

But LE has his phone, correct?

 

[ajaylee]

Could be but most people would say I picked up the tote and put it in the truck. One could even add "which was parked out front" and it would not seem so odd. There are other areas too it was just so detailed. I find it odd, it certainly does not come across as how most people would question or respond.

It would almost make sense if they wired her to get these details out of him and told her to get every little detail. Otherwise one or both had a sick need for every little detail or it comes across as she was present and it is a firsthand account.

I just agree with some that it is odd. No one I know would include such detail in a conversation. Not to mention it would not be a short conversation whenever it took place.

I can't see PF voluntarily supplying this level of detail.

I can't see KK or LE asking for this level of detail.

I agree, the 'normal' way of telling someone about this would be something like "I put KB in the tote and took her out to the truck."

 

[ajaylee]

But LE has his phone, correct?

LE took his phone and he got a new one. IIRC, the same day or the day after he surrendered his phone to LE and got a new one, KK told her ex-husband she had lost her phone and had to get a new one.

 

[Trocroc9]

This is a really good point. KB never mentioned being invited to any family function nearby. This says everything doesn't it?

Yes I agree and Thanksgiving is a very family oriented holiday. This makes me wonder why KB did not plan on going to her mom’s if not invited to SF’s. I’m thinking with the dip recipe and these cookie cutters that went missing per affidavit (PF told KK to dispose of them for some reason) that she had planned on going to SF’s. Maybe PF knew SF didn’t want her there but couldn’t get the ba**s to tell her so much and instead did the unthinkable.

 

[ilovechili]

I can't see PF voluntarily supplying this level of detail.

I can't see KK or LE asking for this level of detail.

I agree, the 'normal' way of telling someone about this would be something like "I put KB in the tote and took her out to the truck."

I have to agree. Additionally, most people that I am aware of have described him as pretty quiet. I find her overboard details odd and not just with the tote. If I had a deal where if I lie, the deal is null and void, I would think I would keep my answers less detailed as she was really good at doing when it involved her movements (or so it seems, maybe it was just left out since she is not the focus of the case).

 

[ajaylee]

Indeed, I will be skiing for the first time in 20 years, with my son who will be snowboarding for the first time. I have heard about all the snow- good for us, but bad for the search.

Bringing this back on topic, has there been any discussion about how unusual it is for a body to be moved twice?

Does anyone have thoughts on why PF waited to move KB to the ranchette on the 24th? He didn’t really need help, did he? Why was the decision made to wait until KK was there? I wonder if that was mostly his idea to involve her. Or possibly she wanted to be there or had promised to follow through with some sort of commitment to help erase ALL evidence of a crime that IMO, was the result of conspiracy by (at least) these two people.

I just remember before we heard any of these details, that some had mentioned the likelihood of PF moving the body being very slim. Perhaps logistics of caring for a baby, and a family holiday played a role. It definitely added more risk, but it seems these two were not afraid of risk. Or, were just too wreckless to stop and consider degrees of risk.

I think he got impatient, tired of waiting for KK to do the job, and he jumped the gun without a real plan in place. He ran a risk moving the body to Nash Ranch. From there on out, he wanted KK as involved as possible. If he got caught, she was going to be right there with him.

Keep in mind, he never wanted to do it himself. He probably told KK that if something went wrong, the SO is one of the first people likely to be suspected. No one in WP or Florissant really knew KK or would suspect her.

 

[Rockymtnmermaid]

I recall the earlier report of KK's Sept 2018 travel that included stop over at Greeley hotel for the night before heading on to WP. Google's "fastest route" now, avoiding road closure, recommends route across Wyoming via I-80E, and connects with I-25S at Fort Collins. This would be easy exit to Co 34/85 to overnight in Greeley. Unless pulling a trailer with high wind warning probably not applicable in September, Interstate across Wyoming can be both easy and fast (based on personal experience). MOO

Yes, an easy exit however, Greeley is STILL 25 miles East of Hwy I-25 and Woodland Park is West of I-25. I guess I’m way more efficient on a road trip as not to back track. KK could have easily stopped anywhere right off I-25 at a motel/hotel. I just can’t understand why drive that far to east to Greeley?

 

[acutename]

Kelsey was certainly no witch. What’s the point you’re trying to make here?

no intention of saying anything bad about KB- just the way PF and KK "decided" she was bad - remember PF is saying that she has to go "for the sake of the baby" and is telling this to KK and spreading rumors about her behind her back. the Salem victims were innocent too as I recall, but once the town was whipped into a frenzy, realty went by the wayside. the burning with PF and KK present is weird, IMHO.