CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[Deleted member 102539]

Or maybe he made it up to entertain KK?

The candle-smelling was perhaps made up for KKL to show her, "how trusting his stupid fiancee was". Certainly they both had belittled KB before; it would fit to that evil pair. IMO MOO

 

[Seattle1]

True, but he had dropped enough hints to other people to make it seem as if she could have gone off and committed sucide.
He made sure he told LE about her treatment, or "rehab."
Maybe he just didn't want to be too obvious, by coming out and telling LE that he thought she may have been capable of suicide.
After all, he had to pretend that he, too, had no idea what may have happened to her after she supposedly went on her trip to visit family. Imo

Not only did PF drop enough hints to other people to make it look like suicide, that awful man was most likely responsible for sending CB a text from KB's phone late Thanksgiving night that KB had her gun (allegedly given back to her by PF) and had gone shooting that night. Yes, PF wanted CB to believe that KB went off and ended her life with means and motive.

11 AM
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Late Thanksgiving night, Cheryl Berreth said she received a text message from her daughter saying that Frazee had returned her gun and she had gone shooting that night.

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth

 

[InvSmith]

I get the point being made--who tells someone, I brought in the grocery bags, then I set them on the floor next to the closet, then I used the restroom and came back and I picked up one bag....

This setting down of the tote is actually an excellent point of what seems wrong with her (or his alleged discussion of the facts with her) version of events. Who gives those kinds of details? Like the setting down of the tote?

It is like a law enforcement question of someone trained on crime scenes is who. Is there anywhere you set the body or it came in contact with anything? Then he repeated his concern to KKL.

 

[susiQ]

I think men sometimes get it totally wrong about what women
think is attractive in a man.
I've heard men mention some celebrity that they "think" is a
handsome hunk and I'm like HUH? What we women like is
sometimes way off from what men 'think' we like.
PF was sorta a man's man. The strong, silent type. Rough, tough
and few words. Some foo-foo women like this.
I can picture a rodeo queen, going for his type. Not real deep,
superficial charm. Real-fake cowboy type.

I think PF and KK are chameleons
I have no doubt he charmed KB at first, and then the mask began to fall once she became pregnant. I also think, KB was a bit of an empath and began feeling a bit sorry for him and his situation with his mother. Empaths have the false belief they can make things better and they continue to try WAY beyond what is good for them. They are under the false belief if THEY love enough they can make the narc happy. They're fixers, loving, full of compassion and empathy. Unfortunately, some people are broken beyond any repair. PF is such a creature. The devil's spawn. MOO

 

[InvSmith]

Artis, I am so glad to see you're on my wavelength. Just because KK says something does not make it true in any way, shape or form. I do not believe a word she says.

There are parts of truths in what she says. But she is definitely telling an embellished story whether that comes from PF or her own mind. There was nothing romantic happening. There was no tooth in a grate. She is adding grandiosity for attention and importance. It goes on and on. It is not to say it is all her. PF is perfectly capable of the same twisted narcissism.

 

[InvSmith]

Not only did PF drop enough hints to other people to make it look like suicide, that awful man was most likely responsible for sending CB a text from KB's phone late Thanksgiving night that KB had her gun (allegedly given back to her by PF) and had gone shooting that night. Yes, PF wanted CB to believe that KB went off and ended her life with means and motive.

11 AM
[...]
Late Thanksgiving night, Cheryl Berreth said she received a text message from her daughter saying that Frazee had returned her gun and she had gone shooting that night.

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth

So true. You are right.

 

[InvSmith]

Maybe nap is a code word for 'ya know' with her and PF, a murder/love pact set in stone.

OK, I made myself throw up a little <thanks Pommy>

See this is when you know you are a psychopath...

 

[InvSmith]

Yes, but how does KK know this detail? PF told her this detail?

It would be a detail that someone that has some knowledge of crime scenes might ask...where exactly did you have the body? PF would walk them through it remembering this detail then repeat the story to KKL.

 

[skycountry]

Yes, she is his sister. Other family members may live in CO, too.

Speaking of the poison coffee, I have wondered if KK didn't really poison the coffee, but KB was just smart enough not to drink it. I feel KK really did poison it; otherwise, why buy it and deliver it? There is no way for us to know.

I too wondered if in fact the coffee was not tainted in some way, I am sure KB threw it away, who drinks something that a stranger brings to your door, not many would do that.

Well since Necro Search International is thanked, i would assume they have an expectation of finding some form or Biological evidence or remains.
NecroSearch International, Inc.

The last Sam tweet update on Friday does state by WP PD after thanking those involved in the search that they are looking for KB's remains.
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I think if anyone would have investigated this witness for their whereabouts would be this DA and the investigative team.

I remember reading somewhere early on that KK and her aunt had gone out for a beer on TK day in ID, but I can't find it now to link here. Maybe she already knew KB was gone, and was out in ID to make sure she was seen by many people, in case PF tried to pin it on her. I don't think either of them trusted/trust each other %100, the whole honor among thieves thing. All imo​

 

[InvSmith]

What did KK say about earrings? I didn't see that.

KKL says they were found in KB's purse and burned with the purse.

 

[skycountry]

I’m not sure I ever read that anywhere, I always assumed it was from information they gleamed from PFs phone data?

I think LE had access to KB's phone records, and saw the pings in ID.

 

[InvSmith]

IIRC, didn't Slater say that when KK told them about turning on the phones and the pinging on the way home, they had pings from a couple places that she wasn't aware of?

If they demonstrated to her that they knew more than she suspected, and she's got the threat of being charged as an accessory after the fact or something similar hanging over her head, she's got to be very very cautious about holding anything back.

I think there are some things she might feel safe not talking about or even lying about: like whether or not she ever actually saw KB's body or what PF told her happened that day, but by and large, I think she's telling what she knows.

Once again: we don't necessarily know everything she's told LE, either.

One tiny bright ray in all this gloominess: PF probably does know everything she told LE at this point, even if we don't. He's sitting in that cell raging and there's no dogs or horses around to take his anger out on.

I don't know if he really had an ulcer before they arrested him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has one now.

People report that Scott Peterson is just as comfortable in solitary confinement as the golf course. I think PF will be as well.

 

[InvSmith]

We've all noticed the incredible detail KK has about some of what allegedly happened, details that could only have come from PF, like the candle game or the tooth - or that Baby K wasn't in the room. I don't know if he just told her the story unprompted or if she kept asking for details.

Given the level of detail she has provided, it does seem odd to me that at no point did PF tell her more about how he killed KB. I don't want to get graphic, but once again, something doesn't pass the smell test. If he killed her with one blow, there shouldn't have been blood spatter everywhere. I just can't see it. I find it hard to believe that at no point did KK say "how did you make such a mess?".

I guess what I'm really getting at is: did PF omit details in the story or is KK not telling LE everything PF told her?

Or is this a situation where we just don't know everything LE knows until trial?

An arrest affidavit is an arrest affidavit so it represents what is known at that point in the investigation. LE doesn't stop investigating and matters do get corrected or updated even eliminated. Your point is extremely valid in that the affidavit itself presents limited facts to fit a probable set of facts. KKL's statement would be longer than presented here by far. It would include her opinions and not necessarily just facts. LE want both but will prove the facts in the case.

 

[skycountry]

I have never been to CO before. I will be traveling to Breckenridge in about a week.

After following this case from the beginning, it will be surreal to be there, and I know I will be thinking of KB often. I had never considered that I may drive over roads that KK possibly traveled to cover up this heinous act. It turns my stomach.

I know the odds are low, but I hope before I arrive in CO, KB’s remains are found, giving her family some sort of closure.

If you are traveling from Colorado Springs, you will be travel the same roads that KB traveled, up Ute Pass to WP, Divide, Florissant, it is a scenic drive to BR over Hoosier Pass. Have your camera ready, and I hope it is sunny for you.

I hope they find something sooner rather than later at the landfill. jmo

 

[pcrum12]

I get the point being made--who tells someone, I brought in the grocery bags, then I set them on the floor next to the closet, then I used the restroom and came back and I picked up one bag....

This setting down of the tote is actually an excellent point of what seems wrong with her (or his alleged discussion of the facts with her) version of events. Who gives those kinds of details? Like the setting down of the tote?

EXACTLY

 

[Artis]

Maybe they didn't have enough indication yet that she was involved. Does anybody remember what evidence it was that brought them to her house in the first place? Was it the phone data?

They found her number called from PF's phone (confiscated 12/4). I'm not clear if any LE contacted her before this:

FBI made first contact with Krystal Kenney on Dec. 14. She was in Las Vegas with family & friends at the time, per Slater. They said Kenney wasn’t forthcoming with her relationship to Frazee, only calling it a business relationship that began in 2006.

She told the FBI she came to Colorado to talk with Frazee about a horse that weekend. Kenney told the FBI agent that she didn’t know who Kelsey Berreth was, Slater said. He went to Idaho and made contact with her on Dec. 18. @KOAA

Thread by @SamKraemerTV: "We’ve made it to Cripple Creek. The preliminary hearing for State of Colorado vs. Patrick Frazee starts in a little under 90 minutes. I’ll t […]" #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney #ParrickFrazee

 

[skycountry]

People report that Scott Peterson is just as comfortable in solitary confinement as the golf course. I think PF will be as well.

I saw that too, he looks in good shape, guess he is working out on a regular basis, not much else to do in prison, except read up on your legal rights, and become your own lawyer! Ha!

 

[InvSmith]

I find it hard to believe, but maybe that was the charming, playful side (eye roll) of PF. Plus I also can’t figure how he got a bat into the place. If my bf walked in with a bat, well...

JMO

ETA of PF

I strongly believe this is a story of covering her face after death and using candles to cover the smell for several days. He could have also just as quickly pulled up her garment over her head. Either way, even for a psychopath a candle game would have been too much for the nerves. Think Ted Bundy in Gainesville. Things such as this are usually a blitz attack.

 

[susiQ]

I too wondered if in fact the coffee was not tainted in some way, I am sure KB threw it away, who drinks something that a stranger brings to your door, not many would do that.



The last Sam tweet update on Friday does state by WP PD after thanking those involved in the search that they are looking for KB's remains.
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I remember reading somewhere early on that KK and her aunt had gone out for a beer on TK day in ID, but I can't find it now to link here. Maybe she already knew KB was gone, and was out in ID to make sure she was seen by many people, in case PF tried to pin it on her. I don't think either of them trusted/trust each other %100, the whole honor among thieves thing. All imo​

It's hard to remember all the details, but I thought KK and auntie went out for a beer in WP just before she brought KK the caramel machiatto (sp?) on the 'first' attempt at killing her. And no, you don't take candy/coffee from complete strangers.

 

[skycountry]

I get the point being made--who tells someone, I brought in the grocery bags, then I set them on the floor next to the closet, then I used the restroom and came back and I picked up one bag....

This setting down of the tote is actually an excellent point of what seems wrong with her (or his alleged discussion of the facts with her) version of events. Who gives those kinds of details? Like the setting down of the tote?

No one, unless they are building a story, just like when someone is trying to talk you into believing something, they always tell you an extended version, why? So you will believe it. jmo