CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[AgeofAquaruis]

Why go through the window, when you can just walk out the front door?

The tote would conceal her body, and this guy apparently didn’t even have a problem driving around with Kelsey’s body in the bed of his truck.

No need to get creative, or complicate things.

Maybe somebody else was there, and suggested sneaking it out another way.
MOO

 

[ilovechili]

Why go through the window, when you can just walk out the front door?

The tote would conceal her body, and this guy apparently didn’t even have a problem driving around with Kelsey’s body in the bed of his truck.

No need to get creative, or complicate things.

Lol, I think the need to get creative or complicate things actually started with PF and KK doing just that. And people are just supposed to buy it. A bit difficult at times. And which truck? In all lightness

 

[ab01]

We know KB's soul does not reside in that landfill, so there is that.

Having said that, it is the current repository of her physical remains, thanks to that evil moron PF.
I'm certain the searchers are going to find her physical remains.
It's really important that they do so, because Kelsey was a dignified, decent human who deserves so much more than to be consigned to a literal trash heap.

At the very least, KB deserves to have her physical remains returned to her loving parents.
That's the very least she deserves.

As for that evil cretinous PF, I hope that when KB's remains are located, Dan May pays him a personal visit at the jail, looks him in the eye, gives him a smile, and says, "You'll never guess what we found today!"
Then just stands up, turns his back on PF, and walks out of the room without another word.

Some day, hopefully sooner rather than later, when PF dies in prison, I think it would be only fitting for his carcass to be thrown into a black tote thingy, and burned on a trash pile.

Because PF really IS a piece of garbage.
I got no problem w/ him being tossed into a landfill.

All of the Above: JMO.

My thoughts exactly! Only I was unable to formulate them in an acceptable manner like you! Mine would have been: that ***** did **** ##~# deserves*%%%

 

[MassGuy]

Lol, I think the need to get creative or complicate things actually started with PF and KK doing just that. And people are just supposed to buy it. A bit difficult at times. And which truck? In all lightness

Yes, but that doesn’t mean we have to complicate things.

A guy who is willing to leave a bloody crime scene for a day and a half, isn’t going to be pushing a dead body from a window, when he can just walk out the front door.

That’s not an easy thing to do, and entirely unnecessary.

 

[MsBetsy]

This makes much more sense to me than if PF had implied she had gone shooting Weds. on the otherwise super-busy day.

Now the next question is, how did this lie help PF? At first glance it seems intended to reassure CB that KB is alive and well. But, it conflicts with PF's claims about the last time he saw her (unless the text actually implied she went target shooting without PF? By herself or with someone else?). And it doesn't support any defense theory such as suicide, since the fake text was sent after KB was supposedly safely home from the target shooting. Now if the text had said she had her gun back and was PLANNING to go target shooting, I could see that as a strategic defense move by PF. But not otherwise. IMO

Yes, apparently he wasn't thinking ahead when he sent that text. He also told her later they went to dinner at Cracker Barrel.
Or he didn't think about that ( the text messages, etc.) when he told LE when he last saw her.
Good thing he didn't plan very well. Imo

 

[ab01]

Yes, apparently he wasn't thinking ahead when he sent that text. He also told her later they went to dinner at Cracker Barrel.
Or he didn't think about that ( the text messages, etc.) when he told LE when he last saw her.
Good thing he didn't plan very well. Imo

I think a lot of the mistakes he made were bc he’s simply a narc. I truly believe that he just thought LE would see oh KB contacted work, told her mom she’d contact her later and they would just accept that she took off.

Why would they have any reason to question me? She just left and I have KF why would I know where she is.

He underestimated the abilities of LE!

He’s just that self absorbed!

 

[PrairieWind]

Yes, apparently he wasn't thinking ahead when he sent that text. He also told her later they went to dinner at Cracker Barrel.
Or he didn't think about that ( the text messages, etc.) when he told LE when he last saw her.
Good thing he didn't plan very well. Imo

I agree with you and Aunti, that text just doesn't make sense. He apparently would later claim they broke up that day and she was headed to Washington. So the text doesn't play into that theory. I don't know what he was thinking or what he thought the plan was at that time. It seems that he had a couple of different plans/stories, and instead of going with one, he sort of drifts back and forth. Completely screwed it up. Thankfully.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, apparently he wasn't thinking ahead when he sent that text. He also told her later they went to dinner at Cracker Barrel.
Or he didn't think about that ( the text messages, etc.) when he told LE when he last saw her.
Good thing he didn't plan very well. Imo

Exactly.

He claims he last saw her when he picked up the child.

Untrue, as he returned to the house and it was caught on camera.

After this, he spends two days traveling and communicating with Kelsey’s phone, which seldom leaves his side.

So not only did he lie about when he last saw her (initially by a matter of hours), but he also lied in regards to days.

Idiot.

 

[ilovechili]

No, I for one don't believe the bread crumb story. If she really wanted PF to get caught she could have just gone to the police directly. I really would like to know what they talked about around the fire.

I agree and as sick and absolutely disgusting as they strike me, I am surprised they did not do a jig around the fire, they are so evil. To me anyways, imo.

Yes, she had ample opportunity to go to the police and imho why she did not was that she wanted her dead as much as or more than he. And even when that happened, when it was too late to save her, she still did not go to the police. When they found her as she allegedly wanted them to, she lied (does not fit). Her actions speak for themselves and it was not fear of PF, it was what she was as much a part of and wanted just as much. She can say as she likes but there is a valid reason all take what she says with a grain of salt, if that. Whether his story or hers that she relayed, I will not even go further and comment on that other than some of it just does not compute.

I don't buy the bread crumb story either, just a spin on her own behalf; I suppose though it is unproveable and not the type of lie that would negate any deal which in all fairness, we do not want to happen anyhow until he is tried I suppose right?

 

[oviedo]

Maybe somebody else was there, and suggested sneaking it out another way.
MOO

I am thinking he did it in the middle of the night - I'd like to know how sensitive the neighbor's camera is in the dark of night. I wonder where his phone pinged from midnight to 6am on the 23rd? I am sure they know since the Affidavit says it pinged near her townhome on 11/22. para 67. I think they know when he removed her and it will come out at trial IMO.
ETA added date of pinging

 

[ab01]

Also I think many things that we are pointing to as flawed logic, isn’t necessarily flawed at all.

We just don’t have the facts yet to back up exactly how things transpired.

I’m pretty confident that once at trial many thing that have been seen as could not have happened that way will then be seen in an entirely different light! Moo

 

[lindaromas]

Finally found it.

After the crime, Frazee joined his family for Thanksgiving dinner before bringing a black tote with Berreth’s body out to Nash Ranch in Fremont County, Kenney said. He put the bag on the top of a stack of hay.

Two days after the alleged murder, on Nov. 24, Frazee and Kenney traveled back to the ranch. Frazee unlocked a red barn and loaded Berreth’s remains into the back of his car, she told investigators.

Patrick Frazee to face trial after preliminary hearing


Used the word, car.

Thanks for bringing that up! I noticed it also and was looking for the affidavit for 3 days to read that, but in the affidavit it says on page 9 of 10 article 72 "The tote was transported in Frazees red truck"

 

[BingoBongo]

RSABBMFF:

FALSE.

I don't see it as necessarily being false. It depends a great deal on the dynamics of the two involved.

I don't consider myself a stupid woman, or easily swayed...and the man I fell for who turned out to be evil incarnate and NPD/Sociopath, wasn't the slickest in any respect...but he got to me overlook obvious red flags. Cognitive dissonance and suspension of disbelief at play.

Depends a lot on one's own personality, life experiences, current outlook and needs.

So, KK may have seen him as good looking and enticing, until she REALLY saw him.

 

[PommyMommy]

I wonder if she told them where the blood evidence was before or after going back to Kelsey's and pointing it out.

Before, IMO.

Page 10, #70
"Lee stated investigators could still find Berreth's blood on the rock face around the fireplace because she was hoping investigators would find it. There is also blood on the baby gate, which Lee moved to the back bedroom. She also stated that there might be blood on the base of the walls. Your Affiant has viewed photos of Berreth's residence, and found a fireplace that matched the description Lee gave."

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes, but that doesn’t mean we have to complicate things.

A guy who is willing to leave a bloody crime scene for a day and a half, isn’t going to be pushing a dead body from a window, when he can just walk out the front door.

That’s not an easy thing to do, and entirely unnecessary.

Not to mention that he would have risked the tote coming open by dropping it out the window.
MOO

 

[MyBelle]

Before, IMO.

Page 10, #70
"Lee stated investigators could still find Berreth's blood on the rock face around the fireplace because she was hoping investigators would find it. There is also blood on the baby gate, which Lee moved to the back bedroom. She also stated that there might be blood on the base of the walls. Your Affiant has viewed photos of Berreth's residence, and found a fireplace that matched the description Lee gave."

BBM. He acknowledges the fireplace matches KK's description but does he say LE found blood on the fireplace?

 

[ilovechili]

Yes, but that doesn’t mean we have to complicate things.

A guy who is willing to leave a bloody crime scene for a day and a half, isn’t going to be pushing a dead body from a window, when he can just walk out the front door.

That’s not an easy thing to do, and entirely unnecessary.

Some of it is trying to unravel their lies or make sense of what does not or first find the missing dots and then connect them.

I do agree though on the window part. I don't really see it. The fact that there is no video of him or anyone leaving with the tote (as far as we know and with him I think it was stated at prelim) is what causes speculation and I do it too.

This is one strange story and full of things that were unnecessary or seem to be outright lies. And if it were not for the extreme sadness of this victim being taken out by these two or more involved, it would seem so fantastical as to be outright unbelievable except for anything that corroborates (some of which they tried to plan as well) with burner phones, various vehicles, etc. Honestly if I saw it on the big screen as fiction someone created, I would say that was the most far fetched flat out stupid movie I ever saw, where did they come up with the idea all of those crazy things would or even could ever happen because it is too far out there... Just for one example like the suicide plan/gun/etc. but then a bat??? Huh??

I am honestly surprised at some point stealing a bicycle and riding it in the dark to get to yet another vehicle stored in some out of the way spot or friend's house that happens to have a sword now in the car and a scooter in the trunk does not play into it lol seriously. That is how ludicrous much of his/her or their story seems... So while I do not think they put a body through the window, could they have? If one believes some of their other alleged unbelievable actions, who knows?

Yet I get it is probably not that complicated but the two crazies have set up the ludicrous events, a Deluxe version of Clue where one cannot keep track of all of the duplicate bats, vehicles, phones, etc., but we can handle the candlestick or lead pipe or Professor Plum or Colonel Mustard.

I for one am certainly glad the experts are sorting it out or have. I hope they find they have success at the landfill. The more, the better imo.

Attempting for some lightness today

jmo, all of it.

 

[PommyMommy]

BBM. He acknowledges the fireplace matches KK's description but does he say LE found blood on the fireplace?

This is from their interview of KK before they went to the townhouse. It is one snippet from the AA just to address the OP's question. But yes, they found blood on the fireplace.

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing
Slater says CBI agents were able to find areas where blood remained in Berreth’s townhome. That includes the fireplace and a nearby wall with a light switch. Again, that matches Kenney’s story. Slater says testing on those samples isn’t complete yet.

MOO

 

[MyBelle]

I am thinking he did it in the middle of the night - I'd like to know how sensitive the neighbor's camera is in the dark of night. I wonder where his phone pinged from midnight to 6am on the 23rd? I am sure they know since the Affidavit says it pinged near her townhome on 11/22. para 67. I think they know when he removed her and it will come out at trial IMO.
ETA added date of pinging

The neighbor's camera might not be triggered by someone coming out of KB's door. But even if it did, I think all PF had to do was push the tote along her sidewalk, obscured by the fence.

JMO

 

[ab01]

Some of it is trying to unravel their lies or make sense of what does not or first find the missing dots and then connect them.

I do agree though on the window part. I don't really see it. The fact that there is no video of him or anyone leaving with the tote (as far as we know and with him I think it was stated at prelim) is what causes speculation and I do it too.

This is one strange story and full of things that were unnecessary or seem to be outright lies. And if it were not for the extreme sadness of this victim being taken out by these two or more involved, it would seem so fantastical as to be outright unbelievable except for anything that corroborates (some of which they tried to plan as well) with burner phones, various vehicles, etc. Honestly if I saw it on the big screen as fiction someone created, I would say that was the most far fetched flat out stupid movie I ever saw, where did they come up with the idea all of those crazy things would or even could ever happen because it is too far out there... Just for one example like the suicide plan/gun/etc. but then a bat??? Huh??

I am honestly surprised at some point stealing a bicycle and riding it in the dark to get to yet another vehicle stored in some out of the way spot or friend's house that happens to have a sword now in the car and a scooter in the trunk does not play into it lol seriously. That is how ludicrous much of his/her or their story seems... So while I do not think they put a body through the window, could they have? If one believes some of their other alleged unbelievable actions, who knows?

Yet I get it is probably not that complicated but the two crazies have set up the ludicrous events, a Deluxe version of Clue where one cannot keep track of all of the duplicate bats, vehicles, phones, etc., but we can handle the candlestick or lead pipe or Professor Plum or Colonel Mustard.

I for one am certainly glad the experts are sorting it out or have. I hope they find they have success at the landfill. The more, the better imo.

Attempting for some lightness today

jmo, all of it.

But here’s the thing, we have probably 1/3 of the facts that LE does. I’m willing to bet that they don’t think it’s all that complicated. Moo

The rest I absolutely agree on! These two definitely did not think the what if scenarios