CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[MassGuy]

This is from their interview of KK BEFORE they went to the townhouse. It is one snippet from the AA just to point that out, but yes, they found on the fireplace.

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing
Slater says CBI agents were able to find areas where blood remained in Berreth’s townhome. That includes the fireplace and a nearby wall with a light switch. Again, that matches Kenney’s story. Slater says testing on those samples isn’t complete yet.

MOO

Yup. According to the affidavit, KK began cooperating and was interviewed on December 20.

Later that night, law enforcement returned to the Berreth residence.

A bunch of us thought someone had to be talking, and that person is now confirmed to be KK.

They were there because of her.

PF was arrested the following day.

 

[ilovechili]

I am thinking he did it in the middle of the night - I'd like to know how sensitive the neighbor's camera is in the dark of night. I wonder where his phone pinged from midnight to 6am on the 23rd? I am sure they know since the Affidavit says it pinged near her townhome on 11/22. para 67. I think they know when he removed her and it will come out at trial IMO.
ETA added date of pinging

This is close to where I lean. I also note they mention a "utility" worker and a man that looks like "Frazee". I also have wondered if the truck was not used to help block video/vision of neighbors. And that is if she was actually removed before KK was there. This is not far fetched, there is much missing. They both had plenty of time before anyone else arrived at that house and could have been there more often than we know. Not everything is shared yet right? They were still convincing her mom, etc. she was fine... And they had keys...

This part though may be farfetched but I truly hope she goes through his trial and then they have a twist on her that after she agreed to tell them the truth, they found one big thing that shows she did not. And they both are put away.

I have no idea how such deals work and am no expert so maybe that is impossible but it is my hope. For justice for KB, Baby K and her family.

 

[ilovechili]

But here’s the thing, we have probably 1/3 of the facts that LE does. I’m willing to bet that they don’t think it’s all that complicated. Moo

The rest I absolutely agree on! These two definitely did not think the what if scenarios

I do not disagree with that at all--they have more and they have sorted it out--and I am glad that is their job and for the experts. In the meantime, the public speculates, or most do. I personally do not get what is unusual about that at all.

Yes, the not so dynamic duo are quite a pair...

 

[Dave F.]

Do we know if he ever left home?

He worked at the dude ranch, where ever it was, that summer of 2006 when dynamic duo was first formed. He recently moved from Florissant to Divide. IMO

 

[NWLady]

No, I for one don't believe the bread crumb story. If she really wanted PF to get caught she could have just gone to the police directly. I really would like to know what they talked about around the fire.

She (KK) was probably dreaming of her soon to be new life on the ranchette with PF and mommy, and PF was probably thinking of ways he was going to get rid of her/KK next.

 

[ab01]

I do not disagree with that at all--they have more and they have sorted it out--and I am glad that is their job and for the experts. In the meantime, the public speculates, or most do. I personally do not get what is unusual about that at all.

Yes, the not so dynamic duo are quite a pair...

Nothing unusual at all. In fact I would expect nothing less.

 

[Artis]

This also speaks to his primitive psychopathic rage. If this is true I posit that he beat her directly across the mouth and likely across her face over the eyes with the bat:

Beating someone across the mouth in effect "silences" them - psychologically you are preventing them from speaking of your crime

Beating someone across the eyes in effect blinds them - psychologically you are preventing them from "seeing" your crime

You see this all the time in ancient statues that are attacked - the eye areas and the mouths are smashed.

Frazee allegedly also told Cheryl that despite the relationship starting off well, it eventually turned sour. He had “had enough and wasn’t going to deal with things anymore,” because Kelsey was always criticizing him or “putting him down” in front of the baby.

Possible motive for missing Colorado mom’s murder surfaces for the first time in wrongful death lawsuit

 

[Steelslady]

Frazee allegedly also told Cheryl that despite the relationship starting off well, it eventually turned sour. He had “had enough and wasn’t going to deal with things anymore,” because Kelsey was always criticizing him or “putting him down” in front of the baby.

Possible motive for missing Colorado mom’s murder surfaces for the first time in wrongful death lawsuit

Laughable! If anything, I think it's the other way around. She couldn't please him, no matter how hard she tried. I really hope she did break up with him, injured his little ego.

 

[Hatfield]

I agree and as sick and absolutely disgusting as they strike me, I am surprised they did not do a jig around the fire, they are so evil. To me anyways, imo.

Yes, she had ample opportunity to go to the police and imho why she did not was that she wanted her dead as much as or more than he. And even when that happened, when it was too late to save her, she still did not go to the police. When they found her as she allegedly wanted them to, she lied (does not fit). Her actions speak for themselves and it was not fear of PF, it was what she was as much a part of and wanted just as much. She can say as she likes but there is a valid reason all take what she says with a grain of salt, if that. Whether his story or hers that she relayed, I will not even go further and comment on that other than some of it just does not compute.

I don't buy the bread crumb story either, just a spin on her own behalf; I suppose though it is unproveable and not the type of lie that would negate any deal which in all fairness, we do not want to happen anyhow until he is tried I suppose right?

Exactly.

Just like the phone ping "story" she told.

After already busted and agreeing to a deal because she makes a stupid mistake to turn on a phone that tracks to her own state, she has the gall to say she knew all along the pings would be tracked to her location. Yeah right, and I have a Brooklyn Bridge for sale too.

 

[ab01]

Frazee allegedly also told Cheryl that despite the relationship starting off well, it eventually turned sour. He had “had enough and wasn’t going to deal with things anymore,” because Kelsey was always criticizing him or “putting him down” in front of the baby.

Possible motive for missing Colorado mom’s murder surfaces for the first time in wrongful death lawsuit

“Upon information and belief, Frazee had motive to kill Kelsey in that he wanted full custody of [Kaylee Berreth] and/or Kelsey to leave [Kaylee Berreth] with him and Kelsey would not agree,” the parents’ attorney, Angela Jones, wrote in an amended civil complaint filed Friday in federal court on behalf of plaintiffs Cheryl and Darrell Berreth.

The lawsuit claims Frazee told Cheryl Berreth a series of lies “knowing that Kelsey was dead because he had killed her, or caused her to be killed, on November 22, 2018.”

On December 2, the plaintiffs claim, Cheryl Berreth called Frazee and asked him if everything was “okay”.

Frazee allegedly told Cheryl that he and Kelsey had broken up on Thanksgiving Day and agreed to split custody of their daughter. That same day, Kelsey left Kaylee with Frazee while she “figured out what she was going to do”,” according to the phone call documented in the amended complaint.

Kelsey also allegedly asked Frazee “for her things back, so he gave Kelsey her keys and her gun,” according to the complaint.

Possible motive for missing Colorado mom’s murder surfaces for the first time in wrongful death lawsuit


My thoughts:


Reading that and trying to unpack everything, but I wonder if that day there was a custody argument? Hence the rage with a bat? I wonder if the ruse of the blind fold was only told to kk to make him seem like less of a brutal murderer? If she wasn’t blindfolded, I believe this was infact a much more brutal killing. Would seem to back up kk brutal horrific crime scene claim with blood being all over. Jmo based on reading what CB said. Maybe it’s plausible

 

[ab01]

I wonder if kk May have actually been frightened of PF after seeing the crime scene? I’m not excusing her actions in any way, but I will say that would seem to back up what she told her friend. Moo

ETA and I realize she still helped him move a body , dispose of it etc, but I do wonder if she thought different about him after the fact? It’s one thing to fantasize about wanting someone gone, but I would assume there becomes a gravity of the actual act of murder after the fact.

 

[LietKynes]

Frazee allegedly also told Cheryl that despite the relationship starting off well, it eventually turned sour. He had “had enough and wasn’t going to deal with things anymore,” because Kelsey was always criticizing him or “putting him down” in front of the baby.

Possible motive for missing Colorado mom’s murder surfaces for the first time in wrongful death lawsuit

BBM

More like she'd asked him to actually "man up".
A task woefully unsuited to PF.

Or that she'd voiced plans to relocate. ( In PF's small mind --"How dare she ?" )

At this time nothing this liar says is remotely believable .

 

[GordianKnot]

I don't see it as necessarily being false. It depends a great deal on the dynamics of the two involved.

I don't consider myself a stupid woman, or easily swayed...and the man I fell for who turned out to be evil incarnate and NPD/Sociopath, wasn't the slickest in any respect...but he got to me overlook obvious red flags. Cognitive dissonance and suspension of disbelief at play.

Depends a lot on one's own personality, life experiences, current outlook and needs.

So, KK may have seen him as good looking and enticing, until she REALLY saw him.

Hey, BB ~ the reason I reacted so emphatically that the person quoted in the article's statement was, "FALSE" is because they stated that "...for any gal, he's a very good looking guy, and he's got personality."

It's a complete falsehood to state that PF is a very good-looking guy "for any gal."
I'm a gal. So is @PommyMommy .
PF makes me and @ Pommy-Mommy both puke. (I know this b/c she used the projectile puking emoji).
We do not find PF physically attractive.
Some women absolutely would and do find him attractive, I absolutely agree with you about that.

But the claim that "any gal" is going to find PF a "very good-looking guy" is untrue.
Dude is no Adonis.

I won't even attempt to speak to the claim that "he's got personality" as I value my freedom here on WS.

JMO!

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if kk May have actually been frightened of PF after seeing the crime scene? I’m not excusing her actions in any way, but I will say that would seem to back up what she told her friend. Moo

ETA and I realize she still helped him move a body etc, but I do wonder if she thought different about him after the fact? It’s one thing to fantasize about wanting someone gone, but I would assume their becomes a gravity of the actual act of murder after the fact.

I don’t think so.

She cleaned the crime scene, and went to Sonic.

She watched PF burn Kelsey’s body, then took a nap and ate some pizza.

She then left, driving past countless police stations.

She arrived back in Idaho, and kept up the charade.

Her life then went on relatively normally.

I don’t think she was scared of him at any point, just scared of getting caught.

 

[Kapua]

Exactly.

He claims he last saw her when he picked up the child.

Untrue, as he returned to the house and it was caught on camera.

After this, he spends two days traveling and communicating with Kelsey’s phone, which seldom leaves his side.

So not only did he lie about when he last saw her (initially by a matter of hours), but he also lied in regards to days.

Idiot.

As all of these incredibly obtuse perps do, PF vastly underestimated the dedication and persistence of LE. They all seem to think that LE will believe their BS stories and not care to investigate if there's no body and no obvious blood. You can't make sense of it. It's like they live in an alternate Universe. MOO

 

[Kapua]

Frazee allegedly also told Cheryl that despite the relationship starting off well, it eventually turned sour. He had “had enough and wasn’t going to deal with things anymore,” because Kelsey was always criticizing him or “putting him down” in front of the baby.

Possible motive for missing Colorado mom’s murder surfaces for the first time in wrongful death lawsuit

There's the motive according to PF himself. He couldn't handle criticism or deal with real relationship issues. He preferred his long-distance part-time love(s) and his freedom from responsibility. MOO

 

[ab01]

I don’t think so.

She cleaned the crime scene, and went to Sonic.

She watched PF burn Kelsey’s body, then took a nap and ate some pizza.

She then left, driving past countless police stations.

She arrived back in Idaho, and kept up the charade.

Her life then went on relatively normally.

I don’t think she was scared of him at any point, just scared of getting caught.

Do you think PF lied to kk about any parts of the crime?

 

[MassGuy]

Do you think PF lied to kk about any parts of the crime?

There’s no way to know for sure obviously, but I don’t think so.

It appears that he provided her with a great amount of detail, and lying wouldn’t serve much of a purpose.

His account was as horrific as it was cold.

 

[ilovechili]

Exactly.

Just like the phone ping "story" she told.

After already busted and agreeing to a deal because she makes a stupid mistake to turn on a phone that tracks to her own state, she has the gall to say she knew all along the pings would be tracked to her location. Yeah right, and I have a Brooklyn Bridge for sale too.

Yes, I agree, if you ask me it is insulting to all LE that she actually thinks they would believe that garbage as her actions show otherwise. I imagine they do not for one minute but it is the story of hers they have to work with and I guess at this point at least the goal is him and not her.

This is also one of those things that make no sense. They are trying to show her going towards Idaho but her vehicles are home, sell it as a suicide but use a bat? My guess is something interfered with the plan and timing, the removing one of her vehicles or who knows... And in no way do I believe it was her refusal to take the body that changed the plans because everything else she did goes against that as well. Yet they almost, or at least he did, tried to continue the suicide hints or going to visit someone claims.... smh... idk.

 

[Artis]

Thanks, ohio2013. From the article:

"There are some things that are very clear to me in this," Klismet said. "I believe he's a bald-faced liar, narcissist that is all out for himself."

Based on the evidence that was made public, and assuming it's true, Klismet says Frazee has manipulated his way through life. A large part of the prosecution's case against Frazee is based on testimony from Krystal Kenney, Frazee's ex-girlfriend who was called to help clean up the crime scene.

Klismet watched the video of Frazee walking into court, and he used his experience to tell us about his body language in the courtroom.

"No interest whatsoever in having any contact with anybody -- that's pretty normal, certainly I've seen that plenty of times," Klismet said. "I don't think it indicates any sign of deception."

[...]

"He's perfectly sane, but he's got that personality where he is, in his mind, far more important than anybody else, and so that's how he's going to manifest his personality," Klismet said.

And Frazee's ability to manipulate others is ultimately what got Kenney caught up in the alleged murder.

"Did she fall under his spell? Yes, because apparently she fell in love with him, and for any gal, he's a very good looking guy, and he's got personality, I'm sure," Klismet said. "He can talk his way right through anything."

Klismet believes Kenney's story about leaving clues for investigators to find at the crime scene. Despite being allegedly solicited to murder Kelsey Berreth multiple times, Kenney said she could never go through with it. He says in Kenney's mind, her only way out was to leave a trail of breadcrumbs.

Nope.