CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[ab01]

Is there a difference in bats between softball and baseball? Sorry. I don’t follow sportsball things. I have neither guns nor bats in my home. The only thing I relate to are scented candles. I do have those.

A baseball is smaller in diameter usually 2 1/4” to 2 5/8 barrel circumference and generally around 32” long and made to hit baseballs

A softball bat is usually a bigger barrel 3-3 1/4 in barrel and similar length made to hit softballs which are larger than baseballs.

They would probably inflict about the same amount of damage on a human being.
Baseball bats are probably a little bit more common as far as being in a random home. Moo

 

[cody22]

Yes, it was. She can talk trash like nobody's business!!!
MOO

While on this forum, I have been called a psycho, and I remember one lady who got unhappy, and called everybody on the whole thread "whackadoodles."........ That old girl may me spray coffee all over my keyboard...LOL !...moo

 

[acutename]

I thought it was reported as a baseball bat?

Just kidding but I do know people that keep bats for protection. Agree to disagree and I accept that you don’t buy it. And no need to be sorry
Thx

maybe he had it in the truck for road rage (not entirely sarcastic idea)

 

[BingoBongo]

Noooo, not WS! lol. Psych Forums: Personality Disorders - Psych forums

The sections are for the people with the disorders and they talk about themselves, what they are and what they think. It's a really slow board but has some astounding reading on it. Some of scared the **** out of me so, yeah, beware.

Yes, I've read Sam Vaknin and watched some of his YT videos (I noticed he has a new one). That's where one gets the ultimate education on narcs, imo. From the horse's mouth. Robert Hare also classified him as a psychopath, I think (not certain). He doesn't scare me but there's another one who does and I can't think of his name, ATM. He's chilling to read because you can tell he takes pride in what he is and a real ruthlessness comes through.

Reading guys like Vaknin helps to illustrate the vast differences in people who are labeled the same way. People like him are so different from most of criminals we look at here but share some of the same traits.

BB, don't click on that link BB....dddooonnnnn't you do it!!! LOL!

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Artis]

JMO
I appreciate the insights as the first real phsychopath I saw for sure was during the Jodi Arias trial where I watched her very closely during the live trial. It was amazing and shocking to me to watch her.

The way she would look around and see others in the courtroom acting in shock to some of the crime scene photos and then she would mock their reactions was incredible to me. It was like she had no real emotions of her own and had to mimic other people in the courtroom in order to behave properly.

Learning how they cannot feel empathy for others helps to explain how some of the real phsychopaths can do such horrible crimes we read about here.

I am convinced PF must be one of them in order to be so selfish and want to harm KB in such a horrendous way without caring how her Mom and others would feel afterwards. KK, on the other hand, has a whole host of her own issues in order to be able to follow PF's lead. In some ways I think KK may be worse off mentally than PF.

Anyway, thanks for the insight.
btw-I almost majored in Phsychology but it scared me so much in my Physch 101 class as I started to learn how people tick and and some things about myself that I was too scared to continue down that career path. LOL

I didn't closely follow the Arias case but know about it and have watched some TV and video. You nailed her. She's like a robot. I've never seen anyone so cold and calculating and it's interesting you caught her mimicking. I'll have to go back and watch more of her.

Sam Vaknin (mentioned earlier), in one of his videos, talked about how he and his wife encountered some young child while talking to her parent. Narcissists and psychopaths are astute observers of human behavior because they have to be in order to mimic, act normal and stay under the radar. They are human data miners. The little girl, whom Vaknin did not know, observed him and said, "Your not a person you're a scanning machine"!!! He kind of chuckled about and agreed how she saw right through him. If only we could all develop that kind of radar.

 

[Bluebythec]

I brought this over from a previous thread so I could clarify

dixiegirl1035 posted:

Obviously she did for the 3 days that she and her son were there. Even though she wasn't a trial follower, she at least did not throw out the trash. She probably did not realize any significance to it. But I am not going to shame her and make her feel guilt as she was a victim.

She appears to be a very strong woman, and I don't want to throw any guilt-ridden second-guesses along to her. They did a fabulous job, it may have taken 3 days, and it appears that they moved out right after that was found.

dixiegirl1035,

That's not at all where I was going with that. I was wondering if we know for sure they were KB's or were they put there after she was gone. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[ab01]

It does when you live 800 miles apart, MOO. ETA, that's a long drive for a booty call.

So do you think PF had any type of real relationship with KK or was it more just KK trying to hang on to her first love, and PF saw it as a relationship of convenience?

I could see PF manipulating KK through telling her that KB was a bad mom, she trapped me etc.

Obviously i'm not sure PF knows what true love is and think he only sees human worth in himself.

I guess I'm just wondering how it all fits together, they were seperated by 800 miles. So did they still see each other through cattle shows?

Seems like he had a lot of control over her for whatever reasons, I'm just still trying to figure out what all those reasons were?

 

[ajaylee]

IMHO, PF and KK had an early relationship and separated. They got back together in 2016, possibly into 2017, the relationship overlapped PF's relationship with KB, they appear to have possibly spent some months apart, then met up again in March 2018.

I think the first youthful relationship was head-over-heels love for her, maybe for PF, if he is capable of that kind of love.

The rest of the time? She was crazy about him, but to him she was a booty call that he could have stopped seeing at any time with no regrets.

 

[Kapua]

So do you think PF had any type of real relationship with KK or was it more just KK trying to hang on to her first love, and PF saw it as a relationship of convenience?

I could see PF manipulating KK through telling her that KB was a bad mom, she trapped me etc.

Obviously i'm not sure PF knows what true love is and think he only sees human worth in himself.

I guess I'm just wondering how it all fits together, they were seperated by 800 miles. So did they still see each other through cattle shows?

Seems like he had a lot of control over her for whatever reasons, I'm just still trying to figure out what all those reasons were?

At best, they had a long-distance relationship. If KK was enamored of PF, her feelings were clearly not based in reality. She may have fantasized their relationship, and with him 800 miles away, that was easy to do. What I don't get is how PF asking her to kill KB didn't cool her ardor.

ETA: It makes me wonder if there wasn't something other than romance binding them.

 

[freedomintruth]

Please forgive me if this has been mentioned already, I'm a little behind all the entries. I wonder if PF told CB that KB put the gun to her head when they talked about their finances. Did that ever happen? Or was he setting the stage for her to believe that KB committed suicide? I wonder also if he never really took her gun, so never really gave it back. In other words KB never put gun to her head and he never took her gun. But he sent texts from "KB" to her mom. Pointing out in a text that she had put a gun to her head from her to her mom is really dire. Also, saying you got your gun back in a text to your mom seems odd. I just don't know timing of the texts. If the text about putting gun to head happened months ago then I guess I think it could be KB, but if it came around the time we know she was murdered and then another text came through she had her gun back and felt safe then maybe it was PF setting up a potential suicide scenerio? I'm sorry for the long post and especially if it's been covered. Also, can someone tell me more about KB going in for mental health treatment? I wonder if PF made her feel unwell mentally? Did he push her to a point where she had a breakdown? Was he behind her anxiety and stress?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Good morning. It's really sad and disgusting to see this on the local news every single day Watching the folks sift through GARBAGE 25 feet deep for the possible remains of poor Kelsey. I cannot imagine what her parents and family must be thinking and feeling. Prayers go out to them while this dump search goes forward. I hope they find something for their sake so they can lay her to rest.

Good to see you @NoeticSoul I was wondering where you'd been. I couldn't agree more at the sadness and disgust of LE having to dig thru garbage for what little remains of the Berreth family's precious daughter, sister, cousin and mother of baby K.

PF and KK should be forced to get out there and dig on their hands and knees.

 

[Sillybilly]

To answer a query that we received, Thank You for asking.

YES it is okay to link to and discuss PF's youtube channel.

 

[Crooked Chicken]

I thought it was strange that the defense brought that up. For some reason, and I have no idea why, I think they were telegraphing something that they would want brought up at trial.

For some strange reason, I do hope that they do confirm that that tampon was from KB and not KKL. I don't know why I'm thinking that or I don't know where where I'm going with this, but it was just so strange that it was brought up.

Yes, it could be perhaps they were just talking about that it could be in the ceiling and on the walls and on the vanity and the door hinges on the rug from that, (pfffft) but it just seems so strange that they brought that up.

I am not not not going anywhere else with this, although I could.

I believe this has been stated previously, but they can determine a difference from menstrual blood and blood from an injury.
Forensic differentiation between peripheral and menstrual blood in cases of alleged sexual assault—validating an immunochromatographic multiplex assay for simultaneous detection of human hemoglobin and D-dimer
Especially, the discrimination between peripheral and menstrual blood can be highly relevant for police investigations because it provides potential evidence regarding the issue of consent. We report the forensic validation of an immunochromatographic test that allows for such discrimination in forensic stains, the SERATEC PMB test, and its performance on real casework samples. The PMB test is a duplex test combining human hemoglobin and D-dimer detection and was developed for the identification of blood and menstrual fluid, both at the crime scene and in the laboratory. The results of this study showed that the duplex D-dimer/hemoglobin assay reliably detects the presence of human hemoglobin and identifies samples containing menstrual fluid by detecting the presence of D-dimers.

 

[ab01]

Please forgive me if this has been mentioned already, I'm a little behind all the entries. I wonder if PF told CB that KB put the gun to her head when they talked about their finances. Did that ever happen? Or was he setting the stage for her to believe that KB committed suicide? I wonder also if he never really took her gun, so never really gave it back. In other words KB never put gun to her head and he never took her gun. But he sent texts from "KB" to her mom. Pointing out in a text that she had put a gun to her head from her to her mom is really dire. Also, saying you got your gun back in a text to your mom seems odd. I just don't know timing of the texts. If the text about putting gun to head happened months ago then I guess I think it could be KB, but if it came around the time we know she was murdered and then another text came through she had her gun back and felt safe then maybe it was PF setting up a potential suicide scenerio? I'm sorry for the long post and especially if it's been covered. Also, can someone tell me more about KB going in for mental health treatment? I wonder if PF made her feel unwell mentally? Did he push her to a point where she had a breakdown? Was he behind her anxiety and stress?

I don't believe there are msm documented things that we can really get very deep into on the subject.

I will say I think its plausible that there were tentions between PF and his family with KB over her pregnancy

Things that would push anybody to feel the need to talk to a professional.

Imo its not crazy to imagine that there were emeshed family traits so to speak going on at the Franch

 

[ab01]

DBM I didn't realize the video had already been posted in past threads. My apologies

 

[ajaylee]

At best, they had a long-distance relationship. If KK was enamored of PF, her feelings were clearly not based in reality. She may have fantasized their relationship, and with him 800 miles away, that was easy to do. What I don't get is how PF asking her to kill KB didn't cool her ardor.

ETA: It makes me wonder if there wasn't something other than romance binding them.

I don't think so. I think he suckered her in, a bit at a time. The first time he mentioned it, I think she probably thought he was joking. She may have discussed it as a joke - "yeah, here's how we could do it". At some point, he indicated he was serious about it and I think that moment was pivotal. Her reaction wasn't to immediately tell him he was crazy and if he ever brought it up again, she'd dump him and call LE. The fact that she didn't respond that way encouraged him.

After the coffee episode, he was sure he had her. I think she went along with it partly out of love and partly hoping against hope he'd just dump KB and quit talking about murder. But I also think that by that time, they'd talked about it so much that she started thinking "what the heck? maybe he/we can pull it off and not get caught".

Something we don't know is how often KK saw PF's temper. There's no way she knew him that many years without him displaying his real nastiness. In her own way, she was just as much in this nasty man's thrall as KB was.

IMHO.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Tech tard, here, again. I've never had a smart phone but from what I understand people can link up all of their devises (PC, phones, laptops) so, in that scenario, would that mean he could view her Google location data, collected from her phone, on the home PC? Whether yes or no, I would sort of think she would not be linking devices where he could see her stuff. When she sent the fake text to MG, saying she was worried CL might go through her phone, I figured it meant as in physically picking it up and looking through it when she was asleep or whatever.

I haven’t dug deep into it, but basically I think so. I remember being surprised to find that google on my computer remembered my google searches from my phone.

 

[MsBetsy]

I believe this has been stated previously, but they can determine a difference from menstrual blood and blood from an injury.
Forensic differentiation between peripheral and menstrual blood in cases of alleged sexual assault—validating an immunochromatographic multiplex assay for simultaneous detection of human hemoglobin and D-dimer
Especially, the discrimination between peripheral and menstrual blood can be highly relevant for police investigations because it provides potential evidence regarding the issue of consent. We report the forensic validation of an immunochromatographic test that allows for such discrimination in forensic stains, the SERATEC PMB test, and its performance on real casework samples. The PMB test is a duplex test combining human hemoglobin and D-dimer detection and was developed for the identification of blood and menstrual fluid, both at the crime scene and in the laboratory. The results of this study showed that the duplex D-dimer/hemoglobin assay reliably detects the presence of human hemoglobin and identifies samples containing menstrual fluid by detecting the presence of D-dimers.

I would think in this case they could just use common sense. Blood on the walls, the door hinges, the stone around the fireplace, the ceiling, the stuffed animals, and blood that had seeped through hard wood floors would most likely be the result of a violent attack. Imo

 

[steeltowngirl]

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While I think this video may be indicative of many Ranch folk.

I do think it gives a bit of insight into PF in general.....

Odd huh? Arrested development..