CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[SandyQLS]

The affidavit says that KKL's cell phone last connected with the Cripple Creek tower (while she was in the vicinity of Nash ranch) at 6:14 pm on the 24th. Next, KKL's phone pinged "on the Colorado - Utah border" at 4:13 am on the 25th and just moments later KB's pinged. I believe Investigator Slater testified that KKL got more than 2 hours, but a little less than three hours of sleep between Florissant and there. It's a 5.5 hour drive. The total of 8.5 hours driving and napping time subtracted from the 4:13 ping time pinpoints KKL leaving PF's ranch no later than 7:45 pm on the 25th. (As a check, the additional drive from the Colorado - Utah border to Hansen, Idaho would have put KKL arriving at 10:30 am on the 25th, which is exactly the time Slater said she did.)
Assuming that it took PF and KKL a half hour to drive back to the ranch from the Nash ranch barn, we can asssume that PF pulled the tote out of his truck around 6:45 pm. With KKL departing at 7:45 pm, it only leaves one hour for her to help start the fire and watch it burn.
I'm of the opinion that after an only an hour, KKL had little opportunity to actually see much. I suspect that PF later notified her by phone when it was done, and that her only knowledge of "scooping it up" was from his description.
I could certainly be wrong. IMO

Most excellent post. I wonder if KK went to the Frazee ranchette at all on 11/24, if she saw any fire, if she saw SF on the porch. I don't believe a word from KK.

PS ETA - Women I know who drive long distances alone &/or overnight no longer use official rest stop areas because they are afraid. They prefer the exits with fast food like a McDonald's, a gas station and convenience store. Very bright lights, more people around, and better restrooms, too. JMO

 

[Artis]

Absolutely possible, why not.

There are women, who would even wear such a thing, when they are going to enjoy a rock concert (not to lose their place in front of the stage).

!!!
Are you serious?

I quit a job, in the 70s, to go see Led Zeppelin, but I would draw the line at a diaper, haha!

This is just silly. If KK had to go to the bathroom I think she'd just stop at someplace that had one. She probably was caught on CCTV but it would have been long gone by the time LE got there.

 

[ab01]

!!!
Are you serious?

I quit a job, in the 70s, to go see Led Zeppelin, but I would draw the line at a diaper, haha!

This is just silly. If KK had to go to the bathroom I think she'd just stop at someplace that had one. She probably was caught on CCTV but it would have been long gone by the time LE got there.

News to me too, I never would have considered this to be a thing as I’ve never known anybody to do this. And umm nasty

 

[ab01]

Most excellent post. I wonder if KK went to the Frazee ranchette at all on 11/24, if she saw any fire, if she saw SF on the porch. I don't believe a word from KK.

PS ETA - Women I know who drive long distances alone &/or overnight no longer use official rest stop areas because they are afraid. They prefer the exits with fast food like a McDonald's, a gas station and convenience store. Very bright lights, more people around, and better restrooms, too. JMO

Oh Idk we often travel long distances and use rest areas, I still see plenty of single women getting out of cars by themselves. Mostly during the daytime, but also most rest stops are pretty well lit up. I don’t believe it’s as unusual as you think. Jmo

 

[tmar]

I still have the rest of this thread to read, but I’m finally almost caught up. I’m sure there will be another thread by the time I finish this one. LOL. I pray they find something at the landfill. Kelsey’s family deserves that.

I don’t care for KK, nor PF. I just can’t understand how there are people on this site that are adamant that there’s no evidence that Kelsey is dead. Yes KK’s a liar. Yes it’s been proven. But where is Kelsey if she’s not deceased? All of the key players in this case outside of KB’s family have lied. PF swung the bat, KK cleaned up his mess. They both deserve to rot. At least KK finally had
enough common decency to tell the cops what happened.

No.
KK has no decency.
She talked because she was cornered, and wanted to save herself.
We have discussed her actions continually.
These two evil creeps deserve one another, and I hope both of their lives are now ruined.
MOO.

 

[Sanz]

Idk we often travel long distances and use rest areas, I still see plenty of single women getting out of cars by themselves. Mostly during the daytime, but also most rest stops are well lit up. I don’t believe it’s as unusual as you think. Jmo

Exactly. I just returned from spending 2 months on a 4800 mile road trip alone. I stopped at as many rest areas possible. My dog prefers grass to concrete. I have carried protection for years. I suppose it would depend on the person.

 

[MsBetsy]

Idk we often travel long distances and use rest areas, I still see plenty of single women getting out of cars by themselves. Mostly during the daytime, but also most rest stops are well lit up. I don’t believe it’s as unusual as you think. Jmo

I don't think it's unusual either, and they are usually cleaner than the gas station bathrooms.

 

[Artis]

Snip:

But in the context of a plea bargain, the prosecution does not have to turn over an informant’s criminal history to the defense (United States v. Ruiz, U.S. Sup. Ct. 2002)."

Why Judges and Prosecutors Engage in Plea Bargaining

Wow, that is shocking and disgusting. What a terrible decision.

 

[Artis]

Yeah, I like watching them too. I can't imagine the jury not knowing after hearing the evidence that she must have had a plea deal.
Aren't those records available to the public, too?

From what I gather (on the internet), not only do a lot of people know about this case but are also outraged about the plea deal.

 

[Seattle1]

I have an Arlo, three cameras, and mine must be different system because mine does not work that way at all. Mine is activated by motion, takes video until the motion stops and then the video stops. I can also view live, and leave it on as long as I like. These cameras also have speakers and microphones. I do not pay for service. But it does only keep seven days worth of videos, you can delete them at will in order to keep older videos, while deleting newer unwanted clips.. . The system the neighbor has may have been older. And as I’ve said before these cameras have a bit of a delay so if someone were to cover a short distance quickly you would only catch a glimpse of them. Perhaps the neighbors camera was far enough away to miss motion. systems may vary. The dog one sounds fantastic

Thanks for sharing your actual experience as an Arlo camera owner --which I also believe is an accurate depiction of KB neighbors system.

By testimony, it was confirmed that neighbor also used a "free system," and that surveillance was on video-- but only still shots were presented in courtroom on 2/19.

 

[Ultra Violet]

I've never had one of them but why would anyone pay for an Amazon service when they could just buy their own and have their own recordings? I'm thinking of whatever the neighbor of Chris Watts had. It looked like it 24/7 surveillance and he could save whatever he chose to. IOW, you buy the camera, record, and don't pay anyone.

IIRC, the neighbor of CW had an Xfinity / Comcast security camera so likely part of a monthly package or an additional fee.

jmo

 

[Artis]

If memory serves me well, LE brought in the FBI's behavioral analysis team early in the missing person's portion. One of the early words PF used was "expired" so he was stating many off the wall comments. I am sure CB and LE didn't believe a word though they wanted to...

I remember his saying Kelsey's phone number had "expired"! Another instance of where a liar tells on themselves. Chris Watts did it, when talking to a reporter about Shanann and the kids being gone, when he said "there's no life in the house".

 

[k-mac]

Something that I am wondering about now after thinking about it more is the vague account KK gave about what PF did with the final burnt remains. She claims she didnt know what he did with them and she even said its possible he threw them in a river as one of the possibles. Wait a minute here KK. Im thinking you would know exactly what he did because you know everything else.

You supposedly watched him burn KB in the tote and you dont know where he went with the burnt remains? I doubt that.

Now I am really wondering if maybe PF and KK only burnt the tote container that once contained KB, the purse, some clothing, and other evidence that they know would burn up cleanly, and maybe PF took the body somewhere else for disposal.

Because PF would know that its almost impossible to burn up a body cleanly so maybe he did dump the body separately first before burning the tote container and the last of the evidence back at his farm.

PF and KK's original plan was if there is no body, then there is no murder. And KK set her story up that she never actually saw KB's body in the tote and just saw a clump as it burned so she could get away with lying about where the body actually went. She could always claim she thought KB was still in the tote when it burned.

Maybe KK still has some sick loyalty to PF to not want the body/remains to ever be found.

there are two actions kk did that reeks hatred and enjoying manipulating the narrative.

- she could have discreetly dismantled and obliterated KBs gun like she did the phone. imo she enjoyed the charade and kept it going interacting with her bad friend to 'rid this for me will ya.' totally unnecessary.

- i think she knows specifically where KB is and she wont give it up imo.

that's her and his pact to the end.

heartless and cruel. just like the rest of this sorry saga.

moo

 

[MsBetsy]

From what I gather (on the internet), not only do a lot of people know about this case but are also outraged about the plea deal.

Yes, there was an interview from HLN (or something like that) that was posted with a guy named Bob who discussed that very thing. I wish I could find it again.
He said although she may not be charged to the full extent in the court of law, in the "court of public opinion" she will always be condemned. Imo

 

[Artis]

The affidavit says that KKL's cell phone last connected with the Cripple Creek tower (while she was in the vicinity of Nash ranch) at 6:14 pm on the 24th. Next, KKL's phone pinged "on the Colorado - Utah border" at 4:13 am on the 25th and just moments later KB's pinged. I believe Investigator Slater testified that KKL got more than 2 hours, but a little less than three hours of sleep between Florissant and there. It's a 5.5 hour drive. The total of 8.5 hours driving and napping time subtracted from the 4:13 ping time pinpoints KKL leaving PF's ranch no later than 7:45 pm on the 25th. (As a check, the additional drive from the Colorado - Utah border to Hansen, Idaho would have put KKL arriving at 10:30 am on the 25th, which is exactly the time Slater said she did.)
Assuming that it took PF and KKL a half hour to drive back to the ranch from the Nash ranch barn, we can asssume that PF pulled the tote out of his truck around 6:45 pm. With KKL departing at 7:45 pm, it only leaves one hour for her to help start the fire and watch it burn.
I'm of the opinion that after an only an hour, KKL had little opportunity to actually see much. I suspect that PF later notified her by phone when it was done, and that her only knowledge of "scooping it up" was from his description.
I could certainly be wrong. IMO

She claimed to have taken a nap, been fed pizza and had the ibufrofen, for her headache, while with PF. If they got back to the ranchette at 1845 ish and she left an hour later, when could she have napped?

 

[tmar]

Re: Thanksgiving Dinner at the Franch.

I don't recall exactly when, but PF was telling folks that KB told him to take Baby K, she needed time to sort herself out.

If anyone asked about KB at Thanksgiving dinner, he might very well have told them that KB wasn't there because she 1) went to visit Grandma or 2) had told him to take Baby K, she wanted time to herself to figure things out.

One of the many things we don't know: what did SF (and his family) know about the true state of affairs between the two?

It appears SF1 isn't speaking, so we may not know.
Also PF has possibly lied to others, including family and his stories about his relationship with KB may change, depending on his mood at the time.
MOO.

 

[k-mac]

She claimed to have taken a nap, been fed pizza and had the ibufrofen, for her headache, while with PF. If they got back to the ranchette at 1845 ish and she left an hour later, when could she have napped?

artis we discuss this a lot but I haven't seen this bit?
is it in the affidavit?
ive read it back to front multiple times and missed this if so which means my copy is clipped maybe.
appreciate a link or nudge in the right direction

 

[Spyderlady]

!!!
Are you serious?

I quit a job, in the 70s, to go see Led Zeppelin, but I would draw the line at a diaper, haha!

This is just silly. If KK had to go to the bathroom I think she'd just stop at someplace that had one. She probably was caught on CCTV but it would have been long gone by the time LE got there.

I agree it's silly but not unheard of. There was a case around 2007 of a female astronaut who wore a diaper while she drove many miles to kill her romantic rival. Fortunately the plot was foiled.

 

[MemPat]

Thinking about PF burning KB's body today.

I'm way behind in reading so you may have discussed this here.

It seems that he would have burned many bodies on site in the past, maybe on that very spot - dead cows and dogs.

He would know very well how long a particular kind of fire (gas/wood/oil) would take to burn as much flesh and bone as possible.

He probably has picked up and disposed of what remained many times.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I agree it's silly but not unheard of. There was a case around 2007 of a female astronaut who wore a diaper while she drove many miles to kill her romantic rival. Fortunately the plot was foiled.

I've also heard of people doing this at Times Square on New Years Eve.