CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[ilovechili]

What a complete moron! PF couldn't decide which type of 'missing' scenario he wanted to stage, so he combined them. Maybe she went to visit family (without her car, suitcase, clothes and toiletries), maybe she ran off with her new mystery boyfriend (again without her suitcase, clothes, and toiletries, and no mystery boyfriend is similarly missing), or maybe she committed suicide (took her purse, keys, and gun, somehow made it to Idaho without her car, and was last heard from on Nov. 25). I keep thinking "how did he expect to get away with this?" What amazes me even more is that KKL was willing to drive 800 miles to implicate herself and yet, did not help him construct a believable alibi. They are two evil, nasty, idiotic peas in a pod. MOO

EXACTLY. Well said. No scenario they concocted did they think out... Nor makes any sense...

 

[Hatfield]

What a complete moron! PF couldn't decide which type of 'missing' scenario he wanted to stage, so he combined them. Maybe she went to visit family (without her car, suitcase, clothes and toiletries), maybe she ran off with her new mystery boyfriend (again without her suitcase, clothes, and toiletries, and no mystery boyfriend is similarly missing), or maybe she committed suicide (took her purse, keys, and gun, somehow made it to Idaho without her car, and was last heard from on Nov. 25). I keep thinking "how did he expect to get away with this?" What amazes me even more is that KKL was willing to drive 800 miles to implicate herself and yet, did not help him construct a believable alibi. They are two evil, nasty, idiotic peas in a pod. MOO

Exactly.

And one of the stupidest mistakes they both made was assuming when no body is found, there will not be a murder case against them.

Sure, it is much rarer than a murder case with a body found, but it is becoming more and more common these days that prosecutors can and will successfully prosecute someone even without finding the body.

The public and jurors are becoming more acceptable that when someone with a close personal relationship with someone else totally disappears off the face of the earth for absolutely no good reason, there usually is only one reason for that.

 

[lindaromas]

@Dave F. quoting your excellent drive time analysis from page 51 of this thread.

I have been searching for historical weather data for the bonfire date 11/22. I have no link for winds 25mph and gusts up to 46mph. I tried accuweather but they used the AFAcademy below the mountains with mild winds in the 5-8mph range.

You are really good with that sort of data - do you know what the winds were like up in WP-Florissant on the night of the bonfire? Thanks in advance if you know.

Here ya go Sandy! https://www.farmersalmanac.com/weather-history/search-results/

Edit/add The bonfire was on 11/24 I believe.

zip code 80816

 

[FrankieT]

I think the interests of the people of Colorado will be best served by PF being represented by the Office of the Public Defender. They have the most experience, unlimited reseources, and are highly respected in the profession. Not much chance of PF being able to claim inadequate defense on appeal. IMO

Yes, I always want a defense who is the very best just for this reason. We want the conviction to stick. Pull out all the stops and leave no stone unturned and put the convict away for good.

 

[x_files]

she may have missed the murder...….
but she didn't miss the desecration and abolishment of kelseys body.

he waited for her and stored the body till she got here.
this is an important picture for us imo.

2 weeks later she is partying up a storm with her buddies when LE track her down.

she went to sonic in between cleaning up the murder and the bonfire.

KK got exactly what she wanted. not sure PF did or not.

so many hearsay things I wish we could discuss!
damn msm keep up!!!!

I do not know how someone can stomach a grisly scene like that, let alone clean it up then go eat right afterward? You have to be a cold-hearted person, to not be affected.

 

[Seattle1]

@Dave F. quoting your excellent drive time analysis from page 51 of this thread.

I have been searching for historical weather data for the bonfire date 11/22. I have no link for winds 25mph and gusts up to 46mph. I tried accuweather but they used the AFAcademy below the mountains with mild winds in the 5-8mph range.

You are really good with that sort of data - do you know what the winds were like up in WP-Florissant on the night of the bonfire? Thanks in advance if you know.

I believe the bonfire date was Saturday, 11/24 and not Thursday, 11/22.

Wind at 5:30pm reported at 9.2 mph NW, and gusts at 23.0 mph (on Saturday, 11/24/18).

Weather History for Wilkerson Pass, CO | Weather Underground

ETA: Florissant, Co zipcode 80816 weather history results in airport code for Wilkerson Pass, Co.

 

[crhedBngr]

Only a few will agree with me and that's OK. I see her as forever being a notorious felon - like Bill Cosby for example, or Monica Lewinsky. Someone whose evil deeds will always be remembered.

I surely hope so. What bothers me, however, is her very manipulative nature and the public's tendency to forget in 5 - 10 years. Oh, and all of those extra states where she's licensed as an RN.

Reposting the link where KKL's licensing info. can be found: Nursys®

1. Click on "Need to Verify a Nurse's Licensure Status".
2. Click on "I agree" at the bottom.
3. Use L** as the last name, and select "RN" and "Idaho" when searching.
4. View the full report.

 

[Dave F.]

If I remember correctly the bonfire wasn't until 11/24, you can do a search for historical weather for certain areas. If I had time I would, sorry.

Ha! The National Weather Service doesn't record weather daily for the Divide / Florissant area, but weather.com records For Saturday November 24th as high temp 45 degrees, low temp 19 degrees, partly cloudy with wind conditions. Sunset at 4:41 pm, Moon rise at 6:21 pm and a waning Gibbons moon. I can tell you from having lived just north of there for a while that the low temperature for the day usually occurs between 3 and 6 am in the fall, the wind always blow from west to east, and there is always at least a breeze. "Wind conditions" probably means it was fairly gusty. A waxing Gibbons moon is more commonly called "half-moon".
Florissant, CO (80816) Monthly Weather Forecast - weather.com

 

[k-mac]

I do not know how someone can stomach a grisly scene like that, let alone clean it up then go eat right afterward? You have to be a cold-hearted person, to not be affected.

oh too!
lets not forget the two slices of pizza PF provided KK after watching kelseys body burn.

 

[GordianKnot]

oh too!
lets not forget the two slices of pizza PF provided KK after watching kelseys body burn.

Well, to be fair, a gal's gotta' eat...especially a gal with a stomach the size of a baby whale.

JMO.

 

[Dave F.]

My post was unclear. I'm assuming at this point that it doesn't matter much who is technically paying the lawyers in the two civil suits. It's money that's not available to pay for an attorney for PF's criminal defense.

Is that because PF and SF are completely confident in the skills of the public defender (and I am in no way impugning those skills!)? Or because there is a limit to the money available, particularly since it looks like PF might not be bringing in anything in the near future?

When SF filed suit to get custody of Baby K, I wondered at the time if she thought it would be a mere uncontested formality or if there would be a serious challenge. I have no idea how costly something like this can be.

It doesn't seem uncommon that in criminal cases like this, if the defendant has the resources, s/he gets a private attorney. PF didn't. I wondered if that was because he arrogantly assumed he was so smart there was no way they could ever convict him, or if it was because he and/or SF decided that they'd rather spend money fighting for Baby K than getting PF a private attorney.

My guess is that PF's first attorney, Jeremy Loew, advised him to take the Public Defender option. Defense of the highest caliber in private practice would run through PF's funds in a short time, and really wouldn't get him any more rigorous defense than what he has selected. IMO

 

[SandyQLS]

If I remember correctly the bonfire wasn't until 11/24, you can do a search for historical weather for certain areas. If I had time I would, sorry.

Thanks! Yes, I meant 11/24. I'm just having no luck searching.

 

[Dave F.]

I posted earlier about PF selling off his cattle and using some of the proceeds to pay for feed and the costs of raising the cattle. I assumed he did it because he must have been told he won't be out soon and there's no one to take care of the cattle. I didn't think it was because he needed the money, because he has a public defender.

Just now, as I was looking to see if I could find more on the wrongful death suit filed by KB's parents, I realized: PF has a public defender and SF is paying an attorney to defend PF in the wrongful death suit and she is also paying an attorney in her own suit to gain custody of Baby K.

PF seems to have bought mainly heifers, and pastured them until they were carrying a calf, making his living on the increased value. He seemed to have moved them from his leased pasture above Guffey (and the Nash ranch) to pasture at Westcliffe shortly before Thanksgiving. It's pretty obvious that someone rounded them up at Westcliffe and delivered them to the livestock auction at La Junta for him, but they were there for inspection in early January. It seems pretty planned and consistent with ordinary timing to me. I think the only thing unusual was that the auction advertised it as a "dispersal", which generally means his last sale.
If you are connecting his sale to the single post on MSM about a feed bill, you should look again. That post, plus a lot of other recent graffiti, was removed by the site's censors. IMO

 

[Spyderlady]

I wondered if this case had become high profile enough that a well-known attorney would give thought to stepping in and help with the defense. (as in the CA and SP trials for example) But after thinking about it, I guess not. Never mind, just musing!

 

[crhedBngr]

I wondered if this case had become high profile enough that a well-known attorney would give thought to stepping in and help with the defense. (as in the CA and SP trials for example) But after thinking about it, I guess not. Never mind, just musing!

RBBM

We learn quite a bit by musing!

IMVHO.

 

[ajaylee]

PF seems to have bought mainly heifers, and pastured them until they were carrying a calf, making his living on the increased value. He seemed to have moved them from his leased pasture above Guffey (and the Nash ranch) to pasture at Westcliffe shortly before Thanksgiving. It's pretty obvious that someone rounded them up at Westcliffe and delivered them to the livestock auction at La Junta for him, but they were there for inspection in early January. It seems pretty planned and consistent with ordinary timing to me. I think the only thing unusual was that the auction advertised it as a "dispersal", which generally means his last sale.
If you are connecting his sale to the single post on MSM about a feed bill, you should look again. That post, plus a lot of other recent graffiti, was removed by the site's censors. IMO

For the record, I've got family and friends (Washington, Michigan) who raise livestock and farm. It seems standard practice for all of them to borrow money, by seed or feed, livestock, hatchlings, vet bills, whatever, to get them through until harvest/sale. At that time, they pay back the loans and what is left is their take for the year. I'm a pay-go kind of person myself, and that always seemed risky to me, but they all think it's a normal cycle.

I suppose I mistakenly assumed PF followed the same practice. My apologies.

 

[Dave F.]

The Affidavit Attachment Item 34 describes the FBI contacting KKL in Las Vegas December 14th. Tweets by Sam Kraemer at 3:47 and 3:49 pm also state the 14th, and say that Aunt K was there with her, and was unaware of who PF was, or of his relationship with her niece.
The National Finals Rodeo (NFR) Round 9 of ten was on December 14th at the Mack Center. The NFR is to professional rodeo what the Super Bowl is to football or the World Series is to baseball. The Final Round 10 was the following night. Tickets for the NFR go on sale right after the competition ends, and the best seats for the final two nights are gone by mid-January; ten full months prior to the event.
I think it's safe to say that KKL's "girl's trip to Vegas to party" was planned by her well before PF ever had the brilliant idea of soliciting her.
IMO
National Finals Rodeo

 

[Dave F.]

For the record, I've got family and friends (Washington, Michigan) who raise livestock and farm. It seems standard practice for all of them to borrow money, by seed or feed, livestock, hatchlings, vet bills, whatever, to get them through until harvest/sale. At that time, they pay back the loans and what is left is their take for the year. I'm a pay-go kind of person myself, and that always seemed risky to me, but they all think it's a normal cycle.

I suppose I mistakenly assumed PF followed the same practice. My apologies.

As I said in a previous thread, PF's way in the cattle industry has always had a name......."coyoting". Just like the lonesome moonlighter of the prairies, that style of stockraising is the exception, rather than the rule.
No apology expected. IMO

 

[Dave F.]

His phone plan, his money, buy her a new phone? Kept him around for a reason?

Or nothing related to this case has she had her own vehicle on video yet to my knowledge so in keeping with the same theme, she has ex hubby take her so she can't be found on tape?

Everyone though did remark on her high powered attorney more than once so there had to be some $$ to retain same. Unless the attorney took it on pro bono for various reasons...

I assume she has her own vehicle, he** she probably has her own gun. She just prefers to use other people's for some reason lol

I posted this before, but I'll try it again. CL and KKL have Verizon. In the western states, Verizon is quite expensive but they have the ONLY good coverage and service. Verizon is very difficult for any customer to understand. Many of their practices make no sense at all. Most prominent in that category is that two phones on the same plan are way less expensive than a single phone plan. Verizon insists that only one person is the bill payer for the account, and will only allow that person access to detailed call information, to make changes, use the accumulated points toward a new phone, or actually to upgrade the phone at all. CL was the bill payer on the Verizon account.
It's inconvenient, but everyone does it. PF was the bill payer on KB's phone. That's why CB needed PF to provide information about it.
My wife is the bill payer on my Verizon phone, and hers sits in a drawer uncharged because she has another phone on a commercial Verizon account. She is the designated payer because I hate to even think about examining a Verizon bill.
CL had to go to Verizon with her. They won't play nice any other way. Given KKL's obvious tendency to pull out on the highway at a moment's notice, in anyone's car, and travel long distances without stopping.......I believe CL was wise to say "I'll drive." IMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

I am trying to catch up. I believe it was Dave who said the DA has until the summer to decide if he wants to pursue the DP against PF.

I wonder if by that time, his family will have convinced him to plead guilty. Certainly by now they realize what a monstrous crime he has committed. His brother being in LE and his mother growing older and living alone might make them convince him he cannot win this. I know we have discussed him needing just one rogue juror. I cannot see that happening. He could lose all family support by being so obstinate. He cannot claim self defense, seeing as he was so much bigger and beat her to death with a bat. And claiming fear of losing custody is laughable.