CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #47 *ARREST*

[Gardenista]

Ceiling blood is likely why we saw them bring a ladder into her townhouse

 

[enelram]

Pommy/ #109 pg11- blood on ceiling over toilet
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-109 Application.pdf

 

[justaparent]

Very arrogant of the man who was with PF at the bank telling the person helping them to “forget we were here.” Or something along those lines — I’ve lost track of which document that’s in.

Reading through all of this, the group is even more ignorant than I thought. The entire crew.

I don’t think I have the stomach to read more of the documents today.

 

[pepper 34]

That makes sense. I also don't know if luminol is destructive in any way to property. For instance, would it damage that expensive artwork on the walls or a piece of antique furniture?

I don't know the answer to that question but, apparently it can destroy evidence.

"One problem with luminol is that the chemical reaction can destroy other evidence in the crime scene. For this reason, investigators only use luminol after exploring a lot of other options. It is definitely a valuable tool for police work, but it's not quite as prevalent in crime investigation as presented on some TV shows. The police don't walk into a crime scene and start spraying luminol on every visible surface."
How Investigators Use Luminol - How Luminol Works | HowStuffWorks

"One disadvantage of using luminol in testing for blood is that it destroys the sample being investigated, making further tests on the same sample impossible."
Luminol | Encyclopedia.com

 

[PommyMommy]

I think it was to confirm what time PF arrived for dinner and something else that I can't remember because my brain is on overload.

Maybe instead of changing the locks at KB's to prevent anyone from entering until KK cleaned up, he changed the whole doorknobs? Just a wild guess.
MOO

I have not seen this actual statement so must have missed it in my reading so I may have this wrong but is it possible KB had her locks changed (knobs), wanted her keys back from him, etc.?

You didn't miss it - see the bolded parts of my post. I was speculating. Yes, I suppose it could be the other way around and KB had her locks changed.
MOO

 

[Gardenista]

Patrick Frazee was abusive, says he should have ‘killed’ nurse who called Social Services on the day Kelsey Berreth gave birth to their daughter: Search Warrants

This is another rumor that has proved to be true.

Funny how all of the rumors about how bad KB was have proved to be untrue but the rumors about how bad PF is have proved to be true.

 

[yawningreyhound]

I don’t get the DNA Ancestry kit they found. Thoughts?? Was KB submitting it and PF took it from her house? If PF was submitting it why use KB’s address?

Can you submit those kits as a family?

HUGE bombshell would be if KB was submitting it as her own way of DNA test with her, the baby, and another male.

I highly doubt it, but what if the baby is not PF’s after all?

What if he found the ancestry kit at her house and it set him off?

Sorry, I just don’t get why he has the kit, could be nothing, but my mind wandered....

If that's a paternity DNA test, that would back up the claim of the horseshoe client.

 

[yawningreyhound]

This is another rumor that has proved to be true.

Funny how all of the rumors about how bad KB was have proved to be untrue but the rumors about how bad PF is have proved to be true.

Did you all catch that in the very first convo with LE, PF said KB did not suffer from depression? and yet, later in the document, in "light of the claims of depression, . . . "

 

[sunshineandlove]

Very arrogant of the man who was with PF at the bank telling the person helping them to “forget we were here.” Or something along those lines — I’ve lost track of which document that’s in.

Reading through all of this, the group is even more ignorant than I thought. The entire crew.

I don’t think I have the stomach to read more of the documents today.

Agree. It shows how dumb they are...if someone said that to me I would take note of everything about them. MOO

 

[yawningreyhound]

IF (and that is a big IF) he kept the teeth as souvenirs, well....my true-crime imagination's first thought is that he has done this before.

I'm quieting that thought and sticking to the facts as presented only. We have one murder, one victim. That's bad enough.

But saving teeth is...weird.

jmo

I just had a thought: What if PF pocketed as many teeth as he could because he thought they wouldn't burn?

 

[ilovechili]

Very arrogant of the man who was with PF at the bank telling the person helping them to “forget we were here.” Or something along those lines — I’ve lost track of which document that’s in.

Reading through all of this, the group is even more ignorant than I thought. The entire crew.

I don’t think I have the stomach to read more of the documents today.

It also appears to me that there were a few more people quite possibly who could have stopped this and maybe had some knowledge...

 

[MsBetsy]

in the warrant info where all the spots of found blood in condo, was
listed. i'll find it.

I saw it too. I'm wondering if not only did he clean up in the bathroom but maybe he washed Kelsey's body in the shower as well. Imo

 

[yawningreyhound]

I don't know the answer to that question but, apparently it can destroy evidence.

"One problem with luminol is that the chemical reaction can destroy other evidence in the crime scene. For this reason, investigators only use luminol after exploring a lot of other options. It is definitely a valuable tool for police work, but it's not quite as prevalent in crime investigation as presented on some TV shows. The police don't walk into a crime scene and start spraying luminol on every visible surface."
How Luminol Works

"One disadvantage of using luminol in testing for blood is that it destroys the sample being investigated, making further tests on the same sample impossible."
Luminol | Encyclopedia.com

Well, this certainly points up MY ignorance. I totally thought Luminol was turned to immediately in most cases. Thanks.

 

[margarita25]

You guys know how KB’s family initially were the ones to find the blood? And how there was much discussion about it (some saying negligent, etc)? Well, in this Dateline Episode I saw, a similar thing happened.

A woman was found face down in the bathtub. Evidence techs came and processed the scene and left, then released the home to the family. They didn’t drain the bathtub! The family drained the bathtub and found black scuff marks everywhere and had to call them back!

(Dateline NBC
“Suspicion in Silver City” / S27 E10
(Haven’t finished watching yet))

 

[ilovechili]

You didn't miss it - see the bolded parts of my post. I was speculating. Yes, I suppose it could be the other way around and KB had her locks changed.
MOO

I could see either possibility. I read all of the warrants, etc. but missed this part so was unsure of what the circumstances around it was is what I meant. In the last several I started skimming as there were so many.

 

[kizzykat]

That’s wild.

Yeah, when I look up this Sheila Mccorkle-Frazee using public records searches, I come back to a woman born in 1963, who also lives in Colorado.

PF’s Sheila was born in 1954.

This jibes with what I read on social media, when people were mistakenly harassing the wrong woman.

ETA: I posted and then deleted a screenshot of this poor woman’s Facebook post, that explained the context of the Wizard of Oz post.

She said she was being contacted by media, because they also thought she was PF’s Sheila.

This was a coincidence.

She’s about to have a really bad day.

BBM.
Yes, bad day indeed. The wrong Sheila and her FB post is the headline article at DM now.
Home | Daily Mail Online

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Snipped.

Doorknobs in the trash? So, someone bothered to take the knobs off and then not bother to actually get rid of them?

Or were they removed before the murder?

Any insight on this?

(I've been off this thread for awhile so perhaps the doorknobs is a known thing and I'm behind).

jmo

This threw me, too.

 

[Gardenista]

BBM.
Yes, bad day indeed. The wrong Sheila and her FB post is the headline article at DM now.
Home | Daily Mail Online

Oh sh**

 

[PrairieWind]

I saw it too. I'm wondering if not only did he clean up in the bathroom but maybe he washed Kelsey's body in the shower as well. Imo

I think so too. Maybe after killing her, he moved her body to the tub/shower to try to contain some blood while he did other things. Just speculation. Perhaps while moving her in there the blood got splattered around. The blood on the ceiling could have been just a few small droplets.

 

[mickey2942]

WHAAAAATTTTTTT? I gotta go do some reading as I totally missed that. 5 of kelsey's teeth? and one in a vent? I've kept the lid on me for months. Now i'm blowing my stack. JaysusHCrackers. My face is burning, my heart is hurting, and i'm feeling murderous. No wonder they burned the body or we'd see what viciousness was used to kill her. No wonder the scene (as described by KK) was "horrible." What was his darn problem? The kid maybe leaving? The support money? What was in that beady-eyed man's excuse for a brain? ranting. sorry.

Z D .

I wonder if PF is a drinker or uses any other types of drugs, legal or illegal. It would be interesting if the DA requested a blood test, and hair sample from PF to screen for drug use, and reviewed financial records for spending at bars, liquor stores. Or ask in the town, was he a frequent visitor to the liquor stores? That would partially explain the absolute overkill, and mess he made killing KB.