CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #47 *ARREST*

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Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
A few more interesting notes: - Police found 5 teeth, 4 in a small envelope & 1 more, when searching the Frazee property. No word if they are Kelsey Berreth's. - Based on the list of items they seized, they were really focused on clothing PF may have worn during the crime.
 
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All of this has really got me wondering... how dense are these two (PK&KK)??!! How on Earth are Meghan Garrison and Michelle and Slagle and his other buddy and his mother... how are they not in any sort of trouble with the law?!

I am just trying to wrap my head around how they thought, they wouldn't get caught?!!! From all the cameras to the cell phone logs to the bloody crime scene that was left for several days?!!

I heard PF very dumb, archaic, quasi-Amish sounding voice. I see his dumb, weird haircut. I know folks who were in HS with him at the same time, and have NO IDEA who he is (obviously a weird reclusive, unable to have good relationships w women who are. Loser than 500 miles to him...)... charming strangers on the internet, getting her (KB) to come into his life, until she probably realized what a weirdo, antisocial, below-average IQ he is. While he is living with his Mommy and barely floundering on the "ranch" as a "rancher" and "ferrier", she is moving on and up... and out of his weird little world.

I am wondering, if he is ok upstairs?! (Besides the obvious, he is a murderer). I once dated a paranoid schizophrenic. I did not know for months! MONTHS. He lived with his mother after a good relationship turned bad. I thought he was "just getting back on his feet". It makes me wonder if maybe PF has some major underlying mental illness. I'm so embarrassed of my ex, and the previous relationship we had. I often wonder, what the H was I thinking?! And how did it last as long as it did?! (Almost a year, it was several months before the PS came out, at which point I didn't want to seem unsupportive of uncaring or judgement am ...)
 
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It depends on a lot of factors, there may be bone fragments, even intact bones, but the point is that it doesn't take a crematorium method to reduce a body to ash. Funeral pyres are not crematoriums, and they do the job quite completely. When excavating burial mounds it's surprising how little bone is found in intact cremation urns. Now sometimes there are fragments, and some of any remaining bone may have been taken by people as remembrances, but funeral pyres do a complete job and they are open air using just wood. When you add an accelerant the whole thing burns at higher temps at an accelerated rate.
For example, we've all cooked over an open flame. How long does it take to cook a steak to well done? Now take that steak, put it in a trough, poor some gasoline on it and light it, how long before it's cooked to the same wellness?
Cookies are a different thing, since baking is different from roasting. When you cook meat in an oven, that's roasting. When you bake cookies, the process is different which is why it's so hard to bake cookies over an open fire without being wrapped in tinfoil. You can fry meat on a frying pan, but it's hard to get the same results when you put cookie dough on a frying pan. That's because meat is roasted, while cookies are baked. Roasting is taking a something that has a solid structure and cooking it, baking is taking something that has a liquid structure (cookie, cake, bread etc) and making it a solid structure. When you're cooking something with a liquid structure it requires a different method to make that change to a solid structure.

A recent TV documentary stated that the remains given to family after a cremation are not the ashes as we have long thought, they are primarily ground bones that didn't burn completely.

So perhaps we have been wrong to think very little bone remains intact? MOO
 
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I think it was to confirm what time PF arrived for dinner and something else that I can't remember because my brain is on overload. :p

Maybe instead of changing the locks at KB's to prevent anyone from entering until KK cleaned up, he changed the whole doorknobs? Just a wild guess.
MOO

Just reading here, I am overwhelmed, as you state 'my brain is on overload'.
So depressing. I feel sick, so must take a walk in the sunshine.
What evil souls all around KB.
I feel for the Berreth's, who would have been informed of this information previously.
Imagine, at trial, PF will explode, I hope, even if he doesn't go on the stand.
I want him to cause a scene, like he did in the hospital, to reveal his aggressive character, for the jurors to witness.
MOO.
 
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Carol McKinley‏ @CarolAMcKinley
One of the strangest coincidence in the #kelseyberreth search warrants is that a Colorado woman with the same name as #patrickfrazee's mom posted this on her Facebook the very day Kelsey was murdered. Sources tell @ABC Patrick's mom didn't post this. the other Sheila did.
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Anyone on here now that tracked PF's locations after the
burn- Weren't there a bunch of trackings to Cripple Creek
after the fire?
Well, just a thought, but the old guy-Sladle- lives down that
way in Guffey, Co. I wondered if PF might have taken her
burned remains to his place and put them in his dumpster
before they were picked up and taken to landfill.
I'll go back and check records. Just thinking out loud.
 
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It was in the Google request document....."Cpl Currin asked Patrick about depression and HE DENIED KELSEY OF HAVING ANY. " (my emphasis)

then, just a couple paragraphs down the page, this:

". . . concerns of Kelsey being suicidal due to the depression and rehabilitation mentioned by Patrick to Cpl Currin and the fact Patrick returned the gun . . ."

I was a proofreader of scientific manuscripts for way too many years with USGS.....stuff like this just pops out at me.
Yes, they do seem to contradict themselves. I was confused by those two statements, also. Maybe PF told them two different things in two separate conversations? I don't know. Imo
 
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Did I miss in the documents where they went to Conoco in Florissant and bought gas and it was on film!? Also, anything about Sonic?!
 
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I mean, I can’t fault them, as it is right in the search warrant.

It’s frustrating, but I must admit, I’m not upset at the heat this is going to bring on mommy.
I can't imagine that SF would be so stupid as to post that... ;):p:D:eek:
 
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The DNA kit is interesting. However, I THINK these type of kits usually are used to determine a person's heritage, not establish paternity. But I could be wrong.

They're using DNA profiles from ancestry websites to solve cold cases so I can't imagine why they couldn't establish paternity if there was something to compare it to.
 
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WOW PF is even dumber than I originally imagined!!



And I imagined that he was an imbecile!!!!
 
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I've not sleuthed any of this....have we determined it IS the same person or is not the same person? Gotta go find the maiden name.
 
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All of this has really got me wondering... how dense are these two (PK&KK)??!! How on Earth are Meghan Garrison and Michelle and Slagle and his other buddy and his mother... how are they not in any sort of trouble with the law?!

I am just trying to wrap my head around how they thought, they wouldn't get caught?!!! From all the cameras to the cell phone logs to the bloody crime scene that was left for several days?!!

I heard PF very dumb, archaic, quasi-Amish sounding voice. I see his dumb, weird haircut. I know folks who were in HS with him at the same time, and have NO IDEA who he is (obviously a weird reclusive, unable to have good relationships w women who are. Loser than 500 miles to him...)... charming strangers on the internet, getting her (KB) to come into his life, until she probably realized what a weirdo, antisocial, below-average IQ he is. While he is living with his Mommy and barely floundering on the "ranch" as a "rancher" and "ferrier", she is moving on and up... and out of his weird little world.

I am wondering, if he is ok upstairs?! (Besides the obvious, he is a murderer). I once dated a paranoid schizophrenic. I did not know for months! MONTHS. He lived with his mother after a good relationship turned bad. I thought he was "just getting back on his feet". It makes me wonder if maybe PF has some major underlying mental illness. I'm so embarrassed of my ex, and the previous relationship we had. I often wonder, what the H was I thinking?! And how did it last as long as it did?! (Almost a year, it was several months before the PS came out, at which point I didn't want to seem unsupportive of uncaring or judgement am ...)
IKR? There's a whole tribe of dimwits in this case. MOO
 
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This one is a pony client; PF routinely shoed her ponies. Shoed? or shod? anyway. I can pm you the interview, it's not MSM so not allowed I don't think.
There must be an interview of her somewhere in MSM because I remember it. Was she the one who said she knew him for 20 years?
 
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I've not sleuthed any of this....have we determined it IS the same person or is not the same person? Gotta go find the maiden name.
I did. The woman who posted it is 10 years younger, but does live in Colorado.

That Facebook account comes back to a woman in her 50s, who is absolutely a different SF.
 
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