CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #47 *ARREST*

[Kapua]

I've not sleuthed any of this....have we determined it IS the same person or is not the same person? Gotta go find the maiden name.

The consensus at this point is that it's not the same person, but a very odd coincidence. MOO

 

[ilovechili]

Hopefully they've been fully investigated. I don't know, LE isn't impressing me with their handling of KB's case, IMO.

One does have to wonder no doubt about it and it is the consensus of some already, even those from the very area.

 

[PrairieWind]

They're using DNA profiles from ancestry websites to solve cold cases so I can't imagine why they couldn't establish paternity if there was something to compare it to.

Yes the ancestry databases are recently being used by LE to solve cases, but that is different. They have a suspect DNA sample and are just using these company's databases to look for matches. I don't think Ancestry.com does paternity tests. Now, that isn't to say that PF didn't perhaps find the kit at Kelsey's and (not understanding its purpose) became unhinged. Possible. But again, he seemed to be planning this for a long time.

 

[MsJosie]

A recent TV documentary stated that the remains given to family after a cremation are not the ashes as we have long thought, they are primarily ground bones that didn't burn completely.

So perhaps we have been wrong to think very little bone remains intact? MOO

We have had pets cremated. One came back small bone pieces and ash. The second one was all ash. The new owner of the crematorium said the original owner never had the fire up high enough and therefore left bone pieces. It probably is the same with humans....how high was the heat set.

 

[MsBetsy]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
A few more interesting notes: - Police found 5 teeth, 4 in a small envelope & 1 more, when searching the Frazee property. No word if they are Kelsey Berreth's. - Based on the list of items they seized, they were really focused on clothing PF may have worn during the crime.

Maybe the teeth were Frazees from when he was little and his mom saved them or something. Imo

 

[PommyMommy]

I've not sleuthed any of this....have we determined it IS the same person or is not the same person? Gotta go find the maiden name.

Several of us have already done that and there are indeed two different SF's in Colorado. The media is starting to catch on now...

Carol McKinley‏ @CarolAMcKinley
One of the strangest coincidence in the #kelseyberreth search warrants is that a Colorado woman with the same name as #patrickfrazee's mom posted this on her Facebook the very day Kelsey was murdered. Sources tell @ABC Patrick's mom didn't post this. the other Sheila did.

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
This is coming off as super suspicious. Police don't verify in their warrants whether this account is actually that of Patrick's mother Sheila. Many of you have said it's another person. Either way -- extremely odd. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney @KOAA

 

[PommyMommy]

Eric Grossarth‏ @ericgrossarth
Minutes after Kelsey Berreth's cell phone was last located in Idaho Patrick Frazee received a call from another Idaho woman who lived just miles away..... #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #MissingPerson

 

[Gardenista]

I've not sleuthed any of this....have we determined it IS the same person or is not the same person? Gotta go find the maiden name.

Yes, sleuthed ages ago. My oh sh** was for the real person who has her FB page in the headlines of the DM

 

[ilovechili]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
A few more interesting notes: - Police found 5 teeth, 4 in a small envelope & 1 more, when searching the Frazee property. No word if they are Kelsey Berreth's. - Based on the list of items they seized, they were really focused on clothing PF may have worn during the crime.

If Sam keeps reading he will find multiple adult teeth in multiple envelopes in multiple rooms. Sounds like a dam* serial killer residence.... Just saying...

 

[ab01]

I did. The woman who posted it is 10 years younger, but does live in Colorado.

That Facebook account comes back to a woman in her 50s, who is absolutely a different SF.

Yah pretty unfortunate for that poor lady!

 

[MemPat]

I mean, I can’t fault them, as it is right in the search warrant.

It’s frustrating, but I must admit, I’m not upset at the heat this is going to bring on mommy.

Several of us have already done that and there are indeed two different SF's in Colorado. The media is starting to catch on now...

Carol McKinley‏ @CarolAMcKinley
One of the strangest coincidence in the #kelseyberreth search warrants is that a Colorado woman with the same name as #patrickfrazee's mom posted this on her Facebook the very day Kelsey was murdered. Sources tell @ABC Patrick's mom didn't post this. the other Sheila did.

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
This is coming off as super suspicious. Police don't verify in their warrants whether this account is actually that of Patrick's mother Sheila. Many of you have said it's another person. Either way -- extremely odd. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney @KOAA

Such a coincidence to bite these lovely people in the behind.

 

[PommyMommy]

Maybe the teeth were Frazees from when he was little and his mom saved them or something. Imo

Anything is possible, but neither of them strike me as the sentimental type.
MOO

 

[The Night Watchman]

Eric Grossarth‏ @ericgrossarth
Minutes after Kelsey Berreth's cell phone was last located in Idaho Patrick Frazee received a call from another Idaho woman who lived just miles away..... #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #MissingPerson

So I guess KK used someone else's phone and added another person to her list of accomplices. Another someone who didn't go to police.

ETA- now I'm confused was to why Patrick was in "frequent contact" with that number. Borrowed phone, burner phone in someone else's name?

 

[cynsational]

A recent TV documentary stated that the remains given to family after a cremation are not the ashes as we have long thought, they are primarily ground bones that didn't burn completely.

So perhaps we have been wrong to think very little bone remains intact? MOO

When I rec'd my brothers "ashes" I was given a print out that says they may not be just your family members remains. They were very heavy and were not like ashes at all. They were definitely more like finely ground bones and very white.

 

[Mom24]

"I Patrick Frazee on Dec 12, 2018
Give my permission to Sheila Frazee, Bob Slagle,
Joe [illegible], [name illegible], Sean Frazee to care for
and obtain medical care in the case of my absence
to my daughter [KF]

[signature illegible, but I assume it is Patrick Frazee]"

Will try to enhance it to make out the names

ETA: Changed baby's name to initials

Didn't Sean claim he and PF were estranged? That doesn't smell estranged to me.

 

[Kapua]

Maybe the teeth were Frazees from when he was little and his mom saved them or something. Imo

They are described as "adult molars".

 

[yawningreyhound]

Yes, they do seem to contradict themselves. I was confused by those two statements, also. Maybe PF told them two different things in two separate conversations? I don't know. Imo

TONGUE IN CHEEK: What you saying? That Patrick told them two different things? (I'm being funny. I'm beginning to think Patrick isn't even smart enough to be a good liar. You gotta have a great memory to be a successful liar, right?)

 

[PrairieWind]

If Sam keeps reading he will find multiple adult teeth in multiple envelopes in multiple rooms. Sounds like a dam* serial killer residence.... Just saying...

I havent had time to go through all that. Where does it reference this?

 

[ab01]

TONGUE IN CHEEK: What you saying? That Patrick told them two different things? (I'm being funny. I'm beginning to think Patrick isn't even smart enough to be a good liar. You gotta have a great memory to be a successful liar, right?)

He’s right up there with CW in the believable liar department IMO

 

[Gardenista]

Didn't Sean claim he and PF were estranged? That doesn't smell estranged to me.

Pure speculation, but I think the estrangement happened after brother was given the facts of the case.