CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #47 *ARREST*

[soap mama]

I don't think Ancestry.com and similar tests are even capable of determining paternity. Thats just not the type of testing that they do.

BUT
it can rank the degree of relation.

 

[Inthedetails]

Yeah, I think if KB harbored any doubt at all, PF's behavior at the hospital after the birth of their child should've clued her in to drop him like a hot potato if at all possible, based on what we've learned in the latest document releases. She obviously chose the devil she knew over the devil(potentially) she didn't. I truly don't think there was any doubt as to the baby's paternity.

First time mom goes into labor 3 weeks early. The hospital takes extra precautions and PF goes off the handle that the baby isn't in the room with KB. Imagine what nurses deal with all the time....they are not new to upset family members and they know to remain calm in a crisis. Yet, someone was so disturbed and concerned about him that they wanted to check everything out before allowing the baby to be with her parents.

Whoa.

That is a rough start to motherhood for KB.

I know people like PF (well, not exactly like him)....and one way they are abusive is ruining happy occasions, though they justify it. PF was upset about "not being able to bond" with the newborn, as if his demonstration at the hospital was in anyway supportive and bonding for new mom and baby.

Signs were there, but who would predict it would end up like it did....I mean, other than the several people who knew he wanted to kill her.

jmo

 

[?mysterian?]

I personally know women who have bent over backwards to make relationships work so that their child(ren) can have two parents. You probably do, too. I'm convinced that it was a challenging relationship, and I am further convinced that CB knew that it was not all "loving", as she characterized it. MOO

Definitely agree with everything. I think CB stuck to the plan, for the most part. Too bad she had to alert LE to the presence of KB's blood at her residence, that's disappointing to say the least, IMO.

 

[Mom24]

Daily Mail still hasn’t corrected the errror.

Each minute that goes by without correction I hope the other SF gets another $1000 in settlement from them

They deserve to be sued for this - it’s their lead article.

This is why I don’t like WS allowing DM to be categorized as MSM.

IMHO, MOO

I'm not sure there would be a suit since the search warrants also included the fb post and attributed it to SF.

 

[acutename]

Thank you. Goodness, that one looks like a treasure trove of information.
MOO

if he "returned all her property" why does he have her DNA test kit and her "shooting" backpack and muffs?

 

[acutename]

I dunno. I suppose it’s possible that he had teeth extracted (wisdom teeth or something).

I doubt he would have put Kelsey’s teeth in an envelope.

This is PF though, so anything is possible.

these are all teeth at the SF/PF house so could have been the "kids'"teeth growing up... guess LE knows

 

[Mom24]

oh, my, I haven't gotten there yet. MULTIPLE in MULTIPLE? voodoo? Tooth collection runs in the family? What the heck does this mean? Surely they'll do dna on every one of those teeth to determine ownership.

Didn't KK say that she believe PF had killed before? Maybe he collects teeth as trophies.

 

[soap mama]

Actually, BOTH SF’s can sue Daily Mail !!

B0th have had their reputations injured by this very careless headline

Well I only care about the innocent SF lol

 

[PommyMommy]

if he "returned all her property" why does he have her DNA test kit and her "shooting" backpack and muffs?

He's a liar.
MOO

 

[NanZDrew]

BUMP

I could not believe when I saw that! I thought what shammy investigating. I saw that post early on and screen shot it. I was going to report it to LE but thought I should check more first. Just using public records, the picture of the woman, her full name, date of birth, and where she lived, who her husband was etc., it was so apparent that there were 2 Sheila Frazees.

 

[k-mac]

wouldn't it be a can of worms if LE can NOT identify the owner of those molars.

KKL (not that she has any street cred with me) did say to the effect she thought it possible PF had done this before.
I cant recall the source. just thinking out loud!

another point on the tooth.
if they could identify one of them as the tooth KKL recovered, that would also be very interesting because she insisted to LE she threw it away.

moo

 

[yawningreyhound]

I skimmed thru her FB page about an hour ago, but could not find any connections. I could have missed something, though, plus lots of accounts have been deactivated.

I mean the "Idaho person who lived a few hours away" reference. Do you remember if the KK Aunt lived in Colorado or traveled to Colorado with KK ("to see a man about a horse").

 

[MassGuy]

these are all teeth at the SF/PF house so could have been the "kids'"teeth growing up... guess LE knows

It’s funny, because it just sounds so right for them.

Whatever you’d expect to find in the Bates household, you’d probably find at the Frazee house.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Am I remembering correctly that envie was in PF's house, though? THAT's the weird thing. If KB ran it, why was it in PF's house?

I’m sorry, what’s envie?

 

[Gardenista]

these are all teeth at the SF/PF house so could have been the "kids'"teeth growing up... guess LE knows

No it is stated they are adult teeth

 

[k-mac]

It’s funny, because it just sounds so right for them.

Whatever you’d expect to find in the Bates household, you’d probably find at the Frazee house.

I see oz ark

specifically shades of DARLENE SNELL the matriach

 

[kizzykat]

I personally know women who have bent over backwards to make relationships work so that their child(ren) can have two parents. You probably do, too. I'm convinced that it was a challenging relationship, and I am further convinced that CB knew that it was not all "loving", as she characterized it. MOO

I believe CB knew it was not all loving as well. This guy is such a raging hot head (as CB knew & had attested to when baby K was born) that maybe she feared for the baby and just had to play it cool so as not to set off his rage.
CB told Agent Slater she believed Kelsey was deceased, and suspected it was PF sending texts from KB's phone to CB, because sentences were fragmented and Kelsey always texted complete sentences. So publicly CB handled the situation (and PF) with kid gloves. Really have to admire her strength. MOO
1st Paragraph, pg 8 here: https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...erest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Search Warrant.pdf

 

[?mysterian?]

He's a liar.
MOO

Yeah, and those fake texts sent between his phone and KB's phone after the time LE thinks KB was murdered...he's definitely not genius material.

 

[yawningreyhound]

I’m sorry, what’s envie?

I'm sorry, I wasn't being very specific!!!! The envelope that was the DNA document. I believe it was addressed to KB...i'm going to go check now.

 

[PommyMommy]

Frazee Search Warrants Released: Suspect Seen In Walmart Day Berreth Disappeared
Police also shared a surveillance picture of Frazee in the baby section at Walmart on Thanksgiving.

Prosecutors say that is the day Frazee killed Berreth and then burned her body. Investigators have not found her body.

[...]

“Frazee told officers that his romantic relationship with Kelsey was over, and during the custody exchange he returned items that belonged to her, including a handgun, residence keys, and other personal belongings. To date, none of those items have been recovered,” the documents state.

[...]

During the investigation, Cheryl was staying at Berreth’s home and noticed what appeared to be blood on the outside of a toilet in the bathroom. She says she also noticed a bath mat was missing.

Crime scene analysts then tested the bathroom for blood and received positive results on:

Bathroom floor
Side of the bathtub that is next to the toilet
Ceiling above the toilet
The wall with the towel rack
Towel rack
Base of the trash can that was between the toilet and bathtub
A portion of the vanity countertop
Wall outlet
Vanity cabinet
Hinges on the vanity cabinet and door
Door knob on the interior of the bathroom door
Lower hinges of interior bathroom door
GFI outlet and outlet plate

Among other evidence collected were envelopes of teeth.