CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #48 *ARREST*

[AgeofAquaruis]

That is good sleuthing. Thanks.

The theory of one of KK's burner phone maybe got assigned the same phone number that used to be assigned to a person named SR seems plausible because on Page 20 of the arrest warrant, it says:
""Open Source database checks of that number reveal it to be ASSOCIATED with....."

So that is how they got SR name, address, and map is by open source database checking similar to what you found too. It doesnt say in the arrest warrant that they were placing the pinging of the phone at that address. Just that they looked up the address tied to SR.

We all know a phone number usually is assigned to just one person so maybe that is what happened in that KK may have been assigned SR's old number on KK's new burner phone. This would explain how when KK saw PF calling KB's phone (which she had most likely), that she turned around and called PF on her burner phone.

To clarify a previous comment. I still dont believe in the other coincidence about the other text and wizard of oz reference. LOL

But this one maybe explainable that KK may have had a burner phone and maybe SR was innocently dragged into the arrest warrant due to her number still being associated to the burner phone number.

Now my head is spinning like the rest of us.

Page 20 below has the info about this topic:

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-118 Search Warrant.pdf

Why would PF call SR number? Not burner phone.

I wonder if SR was questioned? and if so is she cooperating.
MOO

 

[Elizabeth Lavenza]

Right, I agree and also LE confiscated an opened container
of Enfamil and a bottle w/ Enfamil in it. Sounds like someone was giving her meals by bottle at 14 mo.

Not to belabor the point but maybe baby K was transitioning to a more solid diet and in the evening, at bedtime, she had formula in a bottle or sippy? She certainly looked a healthy weight in her year-old photo. Such a sweet, good little face. Just like her mama. IMO.

 

[ilovechili]

I don't know why this bothers me but KK's FB warrant was never served.

Then we go to bank records and KB's are requested from way back until nowadays. PF's are requested from 11/21 to 12/11/18. Why?? Isn't what he was up to as important? Maybe he had some trips to Idaho for instance...

Unless he had just recently opened an account there but they would have to know that and take someone's word for it so how could they be sure of that...

We do have some missing warrants but I doubt that is the reason as those warrants had or have had no returns...

 

[MsJosie]

Regarding the landfill search, do you think the experts that are assisting are able to do some sort of calculation based on the amount of trash delivered to the facility each day to estimate just how far down in the area they are searching KB’s remains may be?

I realize they may not know the exact date her remains and other items were disposed of (or maybe they do), but wondering if they know items from November 24th - 26th should be “X” feet down in their search area?

I know they have only been at it a few days and am praying they find something.

Below is a link that may give you some answers. I know when we took trash to the landfill, we had to pay, give name, address and license plate number. Then we were told where to dump the trash. Each day thedump area was changed for private citizens vs trash companies or construction companies. This was all recorded to include depth of dump. Meanwhile a tractor would spread dirt and compact the trash. More info at link below.

How investigators will search a landfill for Kelsey Berreth's remains

 

[MassGuy]

Regarding the landfill search, do you think the experts that are assisting are able to do some sort of calculation based on the amount of trash delivered to the facility each day to estimate just how far down in the area they are searching KB’s remains may be?

I realize they may not know the exact date her remains and other items were disposed of (or maybe they do), but wondering if they know items from November 24th - 26th should be “X” feet down in their search area?

I know they have only been at it a few days and am praying they find something.

Yes. They have communicated with NecroSearch International, who are experts at finding bodies in situations like this.

They would have narrowed down the search area as much as possible, and would have used data and math in order to do that.

These landfills keep meticulous records, and that certainly helps.

I’m just not sure how specific they can make that search area.

 

[ajaylee]

Yes. They have communicated with NecroSearch International, who are experts at finding bodies in situations like this.

They would have narrowed down the search area as much as possible, and would have used data and math in order to do that.

I’m just not sure how specific they can make that search area.

This search is more complicated than some, because LE are pretty sure they are not looking for an intact or mostly intact or even dismembered body. They are looking for remains and don't even know what the remains looked like when they were dumped (ie, encased in a blob of melted plastic, put in a suitcase, rolled up in a rug, whatever).

 

[MassGuy]

This search is more complicated than some, because LE are pretty sure they are not looking for an intact or mostly intact or even dismembered body. They are looking for remains and don't even know what the remains looked like when they were dumped (ie, encased in a blob of melted plastic, put in a suitcase, rolled up in a rug, whatever).

Absolutely. An intact body is hard enough to find; what they are searching for, is incredibly tough.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Yes. They have communicated with NecroSearch International, who are experts at finding bodies in situations like this.

They would have narrowed down the search area as much as possible, and would have used data and math in order to do that.

These landfills keep meticulous records, and that certainly helps.

I’m just not sure how specific they can make that search area.

Hopefully PF doesn't have a "good friend" or "father figure" at the landfill company .....

 

[ilovechili]

Unless he always wore gray, I am guessing that there is a video or picture somewhere that shows PF wearing a gray shirt and jeans... Although he had enough of them that someone maybe just told him that was his color Green stripes suit him better imo

It is also interesting in the return that there is one pair of jeans and one gray shirt that seemed to be collected separately... Let's hope... Although that could be just the day's outfit laying on he bedroom floor...

Just thinking out loud...

 

[Warwick7]

No pics of the black tote in the back of Frazee's truck have been released yet.

This is supposed to be some white thing in the back.

 

[ilovechili]

Hopefully PF doesn't have a "good friend" or "father figure" at the landfill company .....

Yeah, who knows in this area... I mean no offense to the good ones but he certainly has some people there buying his b.s....

 

[MassGuy]

Hopefully PF doesn't have a "good friend" or "father figure" at the landfill company .....

Even if he did, he couldn’t interfere with this.

State law enforcement is conducting this search, and they will not be interfered with.

 

[Mercedes]

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They were trying to see if the container with Kelsey's body could be seen on the video. The container wasn't in his truck when he came to Kelsey's duplex, but it could be seen when he left the duplex and was at the bank.

So, does this mean that the container was stored at Kelsey’s?

 

[yawningreyhound]

I don't know why this bothers me but KK's FB warrant was never served.

Then we go to bank records and KB's are requested from way back until nowadays. PF's are requested from 11/21 to 12/11/18. Why?? Isn't what he was up to as important? Maybe he had some trips to Idaho for instance...

Unless he had just recently opened an account there but they would have to know that and take someone's word for it so how could they be sure of that...

We do have some missing warrants but I doubt that is the reason as those warrants had or have had no returns...

Thinking out loud here....do you think maybe KK relinquished everything voluntarily and there was no need for a search warrant? I saw that nonservice also and have been thinking about it, too.

 

[ilovechili]

Thinking out loud here....do you think maybe KK relinquished everything voluntarily and there was no need for a search warrant? I saw that nonservice also and have been thinking about it, too.

It has crossed my mind. Even if she did, we know she has ample time to get rid of much. I think they do have a subpoena for her number though and her google so that does not fit in that sense... I would have to look back, maybe the dates differ...

 

[PrairieWind]

Thinking out loud here....do you think maybe KK relinquished everything voluntarily and there was no need for a search warrant? I saw that nonservice also and have been thinking about it, too.

It could very well be that part of her plea deal was that she had to turn over all her social media access.

 

[GHgal]

About the formula... I have a feeling the baby was a bit behind the "normal" growth schedule, which is completely normal for a premature infant. It takes years for premature babies to catch up with their peers.

 

[Julia966]

I'm still working my way through the previous thread, but teeth in an envelope makes me think of baby teeth. It seems gross to think about it now, but when my kids started losing their teeth, I kept them, though I think I put them in a ziploc. I may still have them somewhere

Baby K is too young for that, but I wonder if they're PF's own baby teeth or wisdom teeth or some other extraction.

 

[PrairieWind]

About the formula... I have a feeling the baby was a bit behind the "normal" growth schedule, which is completely normal for a premature infant. It takes years for premature babies to catch up with their peers.

Its possible. I also know that some little ones that have digestion issues and allergies have to be supplemented with formula for a while. My nephew had food allergies to lots of stuff so he had to have formula for while longer than normal. Seems like its becoming more common.

 

[Julia966]

*read further, question answered*