CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #48 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

I think they are looking for a recently played video of the Wizard of Oz at the Franch to rule in or out the connection. JMO

It literally would have taken 5 minutes to rule out a connection.

When this lady made this post, I thought it was PF’s Sheila too. Someone commented somewhere, that this was in fact a different woman who was completely unrelated.

Using just two public records sites, I was able to verify that this person was right, and nothing matched.

Law enforcement should have done their due diligence, and verified if the account registered to the SF that made the post, was connected to PF’s mother.

Not only was that not done, but it was included in a search warrant.

That was sloppy.

 

[ilovechili]

I found it interesting (though I shouldn’t have been surprised) that the vehicle searches, including the hit by the cadaver dog, took place at the WPPD impound lot, not at the condo. (See page 6 of SW-111, linked below.) Until then, I presumed that the dog was hitting on a spot on the ground near the rear bumper of the car at the condo. But apparently the hit was on the vehicle itself.

IMO, we know from KKL’s testimony that he put her body in the black tote and took her to the N ranch. But we don’t know with certainty what vehicle was used for that or if her body was moved directly from the condo to the tote. All we have are the pings for movements and KKL testimony which is not an eye witness account. I wonder if her car might play a more important role in the removal of her body than we currently realize?

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Search Warrant.pdf

Fitting with this is they needed to go back to get his truck at some point. Also, he made the remark at some point (I think to police) that he took her vehicles back to her home...

Would this somehow fit with the initial plan which was to make it look like a suicide (her vehicle or vehicles missing)...?

Frustrating case... smh.

 

[Ccging]

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Would be something to read the journal.

I wish KB had kept one.

Poor KB.

 

[Mom24]

Plan A would be her body is not found and he is not charged. Now that he is charged and sees the extent of KK's betrayal, the location of the body is perhaps his ace in the hole. He leaks the location of her unburned, bullet riddled body on the eve of trial.

Got it! Then he can say KK had the gun, they were having an affair and KK got jealous and that he was simply trying to help her cover it up. Makes a good story.

 

[Mom24]

It literally would have taken 5 minutes to rule out a connection.

When this lady made this post, I thought it was PF’s Sheila too. Someone commented somewhere, that this was in fact a different woman who was completely unrelated.

Using just two public records sites, I was able to verify that this person was right, and nothing matched.

Law enforcement should have done their due diligence, and verified if the account registered to the SF that made the post, was connected to PF’s mother.

Not only was that not done, but it was included in a search warrant.

That was sloppy.

I think it was not only sloppy, but it should have been taken out of the search warrant.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think they are looking for a recently played video of the Wizard of Oz at the Franch to rule in or out the connection. JMO

Maybe at that point they were not sure where it came from. Did they ever clarify that in the affidavit? I don't recall that they did but I can't remember everything that was in there. Imo

 

[skycountry]

I found it interesting (though I shouldn’t have been surprised) that the vehicle searches, including the hit by the cadaver dog, took place at the WPPD impound lot, not at the condo. (See page 6 of SW-111, linked below.) Until then, I presumed that the dog was hitting on a spot on the ground near the rear bumper of the car at the condo. But apparently the hit was on the vehicle itself.

IMO, we know from KKL’s testimony that he put her body in the black tote and took her to the N ranch. But we don’t know with certainty what vehicle was used for that or if her body was moved directly from the condo to the tote. All we have are the pings for movements and KKL testimony which is not an eye witness account. I wonder if her car might play a more important role in the removal of her body than we currently realize?

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Search Warrant.pdf

Thanks for that, I did not know the car was at the impound in WP when the dog signaled. Going to have to re-read everything again.

 

[ilovechili]

Would be something to read the journal.

I wish KB had kept one.

Poor KB.

Maybe she did, probably not but one never knows. They have her google, facebook, etc. I think... She may have shared things with someone...

 

[PrairieWind]

Got it! Then he can say KK had the gun, they were having an affair and KK got jealous and that he was simply trying to help her cover it up. Makes a good story.

It gets screwed up because the video at KB's house and the cell data. But maybe he figures it its enough to cause reasonable doubt.

 

[lindaromas]

It literally would have taken 5 minutes to rule out a connection.

When this lady made this post, I thought it was PF’s Sheila too. Someone commented somewhere, that this was in fact a different woman who was completely unrelated.

Using just two public records sites, I was able to verify that this person was right, and nothing matched.

Law enforcement should have done their due diligence, and verified if the account registered to the SF that made the post, was connected to PF’s mother.

Not only was that not done, but it was included in a search warrant.

That was sloppy.

But, it was presented to them and needed investigating, leaving no stone unturned.

 

[MassGuy]

But, it was presented to them and needed investigating, leaving no stone unturned.

Yes. But they should have investigated it, quickly realized that it was irrelevant, and not included it as a partial basis for a search warrant.

That’s where they made their mistake.

 

[Oregon]

Uh, yeah cattle do have premolars, molars and lower incisors, depending on age. What they do not have are upper incisors.

The whole point is that LE doesn't really know what they have when they collected these teeth during the SW execution. The teeth were sent to CBI. Whatever they are, they are not KB's or that would have come out at the Prelim which was 2 months later as incontrovertible evidence. Teeth were never mentioned at the Prelim except KK's story about the tooth in the vent that she claims to have thrown away.

Prosecution doesn’t have to give the “whole” story at the prelim. KK comments re: tooth, if tied with the teeth in PF’s home would be critical to his conviction.

 

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[ilovechili]

Yes. But they should have investigated it, quickly realized that it was irrelevant, and not included it as a partial basis for a search warrant.

That’s where they made their mistake.

Yesterday, I noticed it was taken out of one warrant but I was looking at another warrant today and the post remained on that one.

 

[SandyQLS]

What I am actually thinking is that perhaps KB's remains do turn up, in the landfill or, more likely, in some other location. Those remains are not burned and her head is not smashed but instead has a clear bullet hole in it. Suddenly KK's cooperation is virtually useless because it doesn't match the most critical issues. And who ended up with the gun? It is interesting that PF clearly wanted KK to go with him to get the tote from the Nash ranch and stay and attend the burning, but she never actually saw the body.

PW thank you, I love your posts. You make me think harder.

It's still easy to buy guns, and they don't have to be registered in some states, gun shows, older inherited guns. I wonder if the two known guns are red herrings and a different gun was used that is now down a mine shaft or in a lake.

ITA I do not believe KB was burned up at the Franchette.

 

[MassGuy]

Yesterday, I noticed it was taken out of one warrant but I was looking at another warrant today and the post remained on that one.

Atleast the DA came out and verified that it was a different SF.

This post by ABC reporter Clayton Sandell made me smile. It also included a shot at Chris Spargo and the Daily Mail, who also failed to do their due dilligence before the jumped all over it, and made it their top headline.

Shout out to @CarolAMcKinley who yesterday knew the story below was wrong (it was NOT the mother of #PatrickFrazee) and made sure to check it out before running with it like... a tabloid. She’s a journalists’ journalist. #KelseyBerreth

Clayton Sandell on Twitter

 

[Rockymtnmermaid]

Prior to moving to Colorado, my husband and I owned a Buy, Sell, trade precious metals retail store. A few times per week, clients would come in wanting to sell their dental gold, which was sometimes still attached to the tooth. While wearing gloves, I could usually pull the gold or silver filling out and then weigh the metal to determine the value of the gold or silver. Precious metal prices have since dropped considerably so if PF has some teeth he inherited from family members with gold or silver fillings, maybe he was just holding onto them in hopes gold and silver prices will rise again, thus being a better time to sell them. JMHO

 

[SandyQLS]

I found it interesting (though I shouldn’t have been surprised) that the vehicle searches, including the hit by the cadaver dog, took place at the WPPD impound lot, not at the condo. (See page 6 of SW-111, linked below.) Until then, I presumed that the dog was hitting on a spot on the ground near the rear bumper of the car at the condo. But apparently the hit was on the vehicle itself.

IMO, we know from KKL’s testimony that he put her body in the black tote and took her to the N ranch. But we don’t know with certainty what vehicle was used for that or if her body was moved directly from the condo to the tote. All we have are the pings for movements and KKL testimony which is not an eye witness account. I wonder if her car might play a more important role in the removal of her body than we currently realize?

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Search Warrant.pdf

Your post deserves more than a Like.

 

[ilovechili]

I am cynical with media. Since you said this was discussed back when and negated, I wonder how many of them knew this was not his mother and ran with it anyhow. The $$$ for the clicks and headlines and notice is probably worth the slap on the wrist, etc. they get.

 

[MassGuy]

I am cynical with media. Since you said this was discussed back when and negated, I wonder how many of them knew this was not his mother and ran with it anyhow. The $$$ for the clicks and headlines and notice is probably worth the slap on the wrist, etc. they get.

I can almost forgive the mistake a bit, as it was mentioned in a search warrant.

You’d have to be following this case very closely, to know in advance that it was in fact an error.

It’s so incendiary though, that it should have been vetted thoroughly beforehand.

My biggest issue is that it remained the top headline at the DM, many hours after this was revealed to be false.

By then, the damage was done.