CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #48 *ARREST*

[AgeofAquaruis]

I know Dateline has to cover both sides, but I'm not looking forward to hearing Clint C. perpetuate any of the many falsehoods PF has spread about KB.
If he does, I hope a strong rebuttal comes his way. Actually, it could be as simple as, "CC, you do realize PF might have been lying about KB, right?"

He better have an apology. No more BS.

 

[kizzykat]

We haven't seen many photos of him pre-KB's disappearance, but there are a couple where he doesn't appear to be scowling:
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Ugh, it really bugs me the way he holds that baby like a sack of potatoes.
I'm trying to catch up y'all. The ex-girlfriend on Dateline tonight, do we know yet if she's the girlfriend who PF cheated on while she was in the hospital (per her boyfriend), or is this a different gf?

 

[yawningreyhound]

I had missed this. They did luminol early on. And it didn't react. I didn't know that could happen because the other chemical they used reacted: (from the koaa live blog)
Back to Berreth’s townhome. Slater says luminol, a substance used to detect trace amounts of blood at crime scenes, was used on Dec. 6 to find DNA, but it didn’t react. They (CBI) later tore out some of the hardwood floor in the living room.

 

[yawningreyhound]

We haven't seen many photos of him pre-KB's disappearance, but there are a couple where he doesn't appear to be scowling:
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Good find! What's odd I found is just how few photographs there are of KB and PF. I know of one. I wonder if the scrubbed FB pages had some photos of them together.

 

[Irmese]

I agree that it's self-serving and it's the way KK typically behaves, the "I'm just a sweet good person who is trying to do the right thing, but bad people make me do bad things". However, with the amount of planning, the fact that PF spent months telling stories to people so they'd believe KB was a horrible drug addict with mental problems, the way PF's family acted after KB went missing and then knowing his mother came out and viewed the bonfire, all makes me wonder if there is more than self-serving stories. I'm not convinced this is his first rodeo.

From the beginning when it became known they met online, I wondered if he might have done this before. Pure speculation on my part, I know. Maybe no others ended up pregnant.

 

[yawningreyhound]

love his hat

Is it ME or is that PF smile just lips pulled back over teeth? And look at the woman, her eyes are crinkly and her smile, tho maybe a little overdone, seems genuine. PF, with the word SEMEN on his forehead, appears so much flatter.

 

[MsBetsy]

Ugh, it really bugs me the way he holds that baby like a sack of potatoes.
I'm trying to catch up y'all. The ex-girlfriend on Dateline tonight, do we know yet if she's the girlfriend who PF cheated on while she was in the hospital (per her boyfriend), or is this a different gf?

I think it's someone different. Not sure though. I guess we will find out, I would think she would mention it.
When does the Dateline program air? Is it tonight?

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Question: Did I dream this or when PF had a dog he felt was not suitable to train and sell, did he take them out and shoot them in the head???
Best as I can remember, I THOUGHT this came out early on in the case.

 

[v0x]

I think it's someone different. Not sure though. I guess we will find out, I would think she would mention it.
When does the Dateline program air? Is it tonight?

10pm EST

 

[ilovechili]

@enelram 11/22 about 10pm , Guffey, Co - Where Patrick's "father figure" lives. Which I believe is about 45 min away from his home.

Yes, on Thanksgiving night after he had a very full day, you know, killing someone, running around with a baby seat to be seen on camera, eating turkey, etc. Wow, considering how late he was up the night before. Long trip. Go figure.... And nothing to this? Hmph.

Maybe he was just bring the "father figure" some leftovers and a care package...

 

[ilovechili]

Universal semen sales?

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I have comments coming to mind I probably had better not make...

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

I think they are all evil,and went along willingly. Because she wasn't like them. KK,and her little Bff Posse because of insane jealousy of Kelsey. They hated her for bumping their Perfect Rodeo Queen Off her umm Stallion.
MOO

Maybe I missed it, but was it ever revealed what separated the Rodeo Queen and her Stallion back when they were "dating in college?" (PF was in college? I missed that, too.)
Why did she go on to marry CL, I wonder, if PF was the Stallion she's been in love with all these years. Such a soap opera / TeleNovela! MOO.

 

[marchioness96]

Enlightening:

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I know I'm coming in really late here, but of all the days for my laptop to crash, it picked yesterday!!

That incident really shocked me (although I'm not sure why) - but it's absolutely enlightening in view of the control freak he appears to be.

I'm also flabbergasted at the bank visit. What on earth were they thinking?

And laid over top of it all is a profound sadness for Kelsey and her family.

Like the funeral I had to attend for an 18 year old former student today who died of an accidental overdose, this didn't need to happen.

 

[MemPat]

I had missed this. They did luminol early on. And it didn't react. I didn't know that could happen because the other chemical they used reacted: (from the koaa live blog)
Back to Berreth’s townhome. Slater says luminol, a substance used to detect trace amounts of blood at crime scenes, was used on Dec. 6 to find DNA, but it didn’t react. They (CBI) later tore out some of the hardwood floor in the living room.

They used Bluestar which reacts even when blood has been diluted and/or cleaned with bleach.

 

[marchioness96]

Gaah! Even in PF's fake response to KB's fake text asking if he even still loved her, he can't help but to puff himself up by saying how "he's stuck by her through all this etc" <paraphrasing>. This defendant is a true psychopath IMO. When I think things can't get any more bizarre, they do.

His arrogance knows no bounds, apparently.

Let's hope that smirk gets wiped off his face and his arrogance is demolished.

I'm feeling quite angry over what's been revealed in these latest warrants.

 

[kizzykat]

I think it's someone different. Not sure though. I guess we will find out, I would think she would mention it.
When does the Dateline program air? Is it tonight?

Thank you. Yes, it's on NBC tonight at 10PM EST

 

[Snowsnake]

Ugh, it really bugs me the way he holds that baby like a sack of potatoes.
I'm trying to catch up y'all. The ex-girlfriend on Dateline tonight, do we know yet if she's the girlfriend who PF cheated on while she was in the hospital (per her boyfriend), or is this a different gf?

I find this confusing. They supposedly dated from 2010 to 2014. There is a mug shot of VMC in Teller County in 2015 for drugs and assault. One in 2017. Rap sheet.org has her currently serving time in Denver Women’s Correctional Facility? I don’t know who is being interviewed and when they dated? Maybe it is all the same person who just got out on parole. I would like his exgirlfreind to state if they had been doing drugs together or not.
Then again PF seems to have more than one women at a time
.

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

Patrick Frazee allegedly had blindfolded Kelsey Berreth, bludgeoned her with baseball bat

Snipped from above article:

Sean Frazee, Patrick's brother and a Colorado Springs police officer, dropped by Patrick's house at 2:30 p.m. Nov. 22, Adams said. Patrick was not home but arrived "a little later" with the couple’s child. Nothing was out of the ordinary, Adams said. Patrick and Sean Frazee were described as “estranged.”

Dan May will undoubtedly be extremely interested in hearing SF's specific definition of what "a little later" means to him...after SF has been sworn in under oath on the stand, of course.

I'm sure DA May also eagerly looks forward to SF providing a specific description of what he meant when he stated nothing was out of the ordinary.

Given that this is PF we're talking about here, SF's claim that everything seemed to be as per usual at the franchette could actually be really damning stuff.

JMO.

"Nothing out of the ordinary!" Just L'il Bro showing up to TG dinner hours late with a bloody mop and bleach bottle, per family tradition. OK, IDK what time TG dinner was scheduled for at the "Franchette," but brother SF arrived "around 2:30," and wasn't PF phoning mom SF and KKL around 4:30 or a little later from KB's condo, or thereabouts? If those times are accurate, it would seem he didn't get home to dinner until close to 5:00. That is more than "a little later," IMO. I, too, look forward to the questioning of the Frazee family in court, but wouldn't be surprised at all if the whole lot plead the 5th. All MOO.

 

[InvSmith]

Since, the hay discoloration and cadaver reaction are reported and the rest of the events so incredulous, we almost have to accept KKL saw the outline of KB in the tote and the landfill contains burnt residue and pellets with accelerant traces. Why? Because, it fits within the movements of PF primarily. I am sure there is more to come. There doesn't seem to be a camera dodged or cell tower psyched out. The new friend was compelling for bank trips.

 

[MsBetsy]

Question: Did I dream this or when PF had a dog he felt was not suitable to train and sell, did he take them out and shoot them in the head???
Best as I can remember, I THOUGHT this came out early on in the case.

I remember that too, so it must have been from an article or something. I think it's the same woman who said that, (and it was just one dog) but it's been so long I don't remember where I read it. Apparently she was traumatized when she saw it. Imo

 

[Elizabeth Lavenza]

Is it ME or is that PF smile just lips pulled back over teeth? And look at the woman, her eyes are crinkly and her smile, tho maybe a little overdone, seems genuine. PF, with the word SEMEN on his forehead, appears so much flatter.

Yeah. His eyes aren't smiling at all.