CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #48 *ARREST*

[InvSmith]

I remember that too, so it must have been from an article or something. I think it's the same woman who said that, (and it was just one dog) but it's been so long I don't remember where I read it. Apparently she was traumatized when she saw it. Imo

My threshold is putting the toilet seat down ladies.

 

[GordianKnot]

"Nothing out of the ordinary!" Just L'il Bro showing up to TG dinner hours late with a bloody mop and bleach bottle, per family tradition. OK, IDK what time TG dinner was scheduled for at the "Franchette," but brother SF arrived "around 2:30," and wasn't PF phoning mom SF and KKL around 4:30 or a little later from KB's condo, or thereabouts? If those times are accurate, it would seem he didn't get home to dinner until close to 5:00. That is more than "a little later," IMO. I, too, look forward to the questioning of the Frazee family in court, but wouldn't be surprised at all if the whole lot plead the 5th. All MOO.

Seems like it would be just a tad awkward for a sworn LEO to plead the 5th on the stand.

Seems like SF is going to be facing some tough choices.

That's tough.

JMO.

 

[marchioness96]

Who goes through the effort to put a tooth in an envelope from a crime to keep? It is like the opposite of secrets. Tell everyone, ensure you are on camera, use an expired license plate, make sure to solicit multiple times, get the solicited to clean the crime scene, talk to the teller at the bank, tell her everything, lie about everything, get caught lying, write
out a note of who can watch your child that you have no legal guardianship, leave off victim that is the guardian, sell victim's gun, use her phone, take it to a gorge, leave with it, burn in yard instead, on and on.

It's like a Coen brothers movie. Like "A Simple Plan". Not in the details, but in the chaotic execution.

 

[v0x]

My threshold is putting the toilet seat down ladies.

General concensus on bathroom etiquette is that both the seat and the lid should be closed when finished.

 

[acutename]

I have comments coming to mind I probably had better not make...

I said once way back that PF seemed to not treat KB as a person, that maybe his model of parenthood came from animal breeding - take the pick of the litter and move on If he had hated KB and little K, that to me would have been more consistent than hating his child's mother, but coveting the child at the same time, esp. since to me, the child looks a lot like KB- to me they are not separable, but to him, the child and the mother were unrelated.

 

[yawningreyhound]

Who goes through the effort to put a tooth in an envelope from a crime to keep? It is like the opposite of secrets. Tell everyone, ensure you are on camera, use an expired license plate, make sure to solicit multiple times, get the solicited to clean the crime scene, talk to the teller at the bank, tell her everything, lie about everything, get caught lying, write out a note of who can watch your child that you have no legal guardianship, leave off victim that is the guardian, sell victim's gun, use her phone, take it to a gorge, leave with it, burn in yard instead, on and on.

I'm sorry, I know this isn't funny, but the reading of this has me chuckling at the ludicrousness of it all.

 

[lindaromas]

You have a dirty mind!

Apparently I do as well, as that’s what I read.

We’ve artificially insemnated cows for years. Much less expensive than hiring a bull

 

[acutename]

I find this confusing. They supposedly dated from 2010 to 2014. There is a mug shot of VMC in Teller County in 2015 for drugs and assault. One in 2017. Rap sheet.org has her currently serving time in Denver Women’s Correctional Facility? I don’t know who is being interviewed and when they dated? Maybe it is all the same person who just got out on parole. I would like his exgirlfreind to state if they had been doing drugs together or not.
Then again PF seems to have more than one women at a time
.

as per DM, she went to jail in 2015 and recently went back because of a parole violation. they say drugs and petty theft. she is broadcast with a TV interviewer from her (VC's) mother's cell phone and the mother has her (VC's) diary.

 

[PrairieWind]

I had missed this. They did luminol early on. And it didn't react. I didn't know that could happen because the other chemical they used reacted: (from the koaa live blog)
Back to Berreth’s townhome. Slater says luminol, a substance used to detect trace amounts of blood at crime scenes, was used on Dec. 6 to find DNA, but it didn’t react. They (CBI) later tore out some of the hardwood floor in the living room.

Is that true? That could be a huge problem.

 

[ilovechili]

I said once way back that he seemed to not treat KB as a person, that maybe his model of parenthood came from animal breeding - take the pick of the litter and move on If he had hated KB and little K, that to me would have been more consistent than hating his child's mother but coveting the child at the same time.

I do not believe for one second he cares about that little girl. jmo.

 

[scmom]

I do not believe for one second he cares about that little girl. jmo.

Me either. I think she's a possession to him.

 

[ilovechili]

Me either. I think she's a possession to him.

i agree, a possession or a manipulation item to use on "ma'. and who knows in time... i hope that baby stays with the berreths and is never nearby again. i think i would consider leaving ID as well considering KK is from there... just saying...

 

[yawningreyhound]

So they did find charred bits of plastic at the Ranch. Maybe they're looking for the melted Al bat in the landfill? I'm assuming the bat was the same one KK couldn't/wouldn't use. I wonder if LE burned a metal bat and saw what was left and thought they could locate THAT at the landfill. I wonder how PF emptied the round trough, too. That would be unwieldy.

edit to add: snip: Slater says Arson Investigator Jerry Meams came to the Frazee property that day, Dec. 21. They excavated the area & found charred clumps of plastic. A test revealed there was an accelerant in the debris. The melted plastic was described as black & clumped into small balls.

 

[yawningreyhound]

Me either. I think she's a possession to him.

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOO glad he let the baby live.

 

[lindaromas]

Yes I have seen the video on YT, but what I'm trying to say is, I don't see anything in the search warrant(s) that may have been possibly something found at the dig site. In other words, what reason was there to dig that spot up? Wonder what lead them to dig there in that area? Maybe someday will may find out more about it.

Since there is no septic system I believe they dug up the leach lines to see what was recently put through drains and flushed Could that be the area you speak of?

 

[InvSmith]

"Nothing out of the ordinary!" Just L'il Bro showing up to TG dinner hours late with a bloody mop and bleach bottle, per family tradition. OK, IDK what time TG dinner was scheduled for at the "Franchette," but brother SF arrived "around 2:30," and wasn't PF phoning mom SF and KKL around 4:30 or a little later from KB's condo, or thereabouts? If those times are accurate, it would seem he didn't get home to dinner until close to 5:00. That is more than "a little later," IMO. I, too, look forward to the questioning of the Frazee family in court, but wouldn't be surprised at all if the whole lot plead the 5th. All MOO.

I think the quick arrest did not give everyone time to think through the fine details like mops, KB's cars, the sock on the seat, etc. The focus was so much on the phone in ID working; they didn't detail their own home.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

I remember that too, so it must have been from an article or something. I think it's the same woman who said that, (and it was just one dog) but it's been so long I don't remember where I read it. Apparently she was traumatized when she saw it. Imo

You know why I asked.....if you can look a dog in the face and shoot, he certainly can do the same with a person. MOO, MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Is that true? That could be a huge problem.

Even with what they found with the Blue star?

 

[NWLady]

If the tote was used to transport her body, it would have evidence and need to be disposed of , even if her body was no longer in it.

I believe the thought was that they were digging to find the access hatch to the septic tank, where they could then test for various things (remains, blood, etc). Some people thought perhaps the septic tank itself was removed, due to the large area dug. I suspect they just didn't know precisely where the access was, so had to dig around a bit. No pump truck was seen, nor a tank being hauled in/out.

And I remember a poster had said shortly after that dig at the ranchette that PF's septic tank was destroyed by LE/investigators digging that day. I cannot remember who said it but I do remember reading it, it was a single post and that's the only time I had seen mention of the septic tank being destroyed. Things that make us go hmmm.....

 

[Hatfield]

Me either. I think she's a possession to him.

I think it was his ticket to avoid paying 700.00 per month for 18 years. That and Ma-F bonding probably wanted her around.

The only small minute piece of good news in this whole case is we should not have to worry about his form of discipline on the child as she got older.