CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #48 *ARREST*

[MsBetsy]

You know why I asked.....if you can look a dog in the face and shoot, he certainly can do the same with a person. MOO, MOO

Yes, it's horrible. Just killing an innocent animal makes me sick. I can't imagine how someone could kill a human being. It takes a certain type of individual, for sure.

 

[Warwick7]

"Nothing out of the ordinary!" Just L'il Bro showing up to TG dinner hours late with a bloody mop and bleach bottle, per family tradition. OK, IDK what time TG dinner was scheduled for at the "Franchette," but brother SF arrived "around 2:30," and wasn't PF phoning mom SF and KKL around 4:30 or a little later from KB's condo, or thereabouts? If those times are accurate, it would seem he didn't get home to dinner until close to 5:00. That is more than "a little later," IMO. I, too, look forward to the questioning of the Frazee family in court, but wouldn't be surprised at all if the whole lot plead the 5th. All MOO.

If I understand right, his ranch is 17 miles from walmart.
Time frame could be:
Brother arrived around 2:30 pm
PF arrived shortly afterward (2:40)
We always ate TG about 2pm
If they ate at 3pm and finish about 3:45pm...
Get back to KB's by 4:15pm
Calling his mother cell at 4:23pm

 

[PommyMommy]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
NEW: Both parties were set for a hearing in the civil (wrongful death) case on Monday, March 11, which has since been vacated. The judge received a motion to stay discovery from Frazee on Thursday -- and they decided they need more time. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Both parties = Cheryl & Darrell Berreth and Patrick Frazee #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA

 

[InvSmith]

Is that true? That could be a huge problem.

The department used BlueStar which per research performs with or without treated bleached areas. They removed boards to have access to more blood (hemoglobin). Because of the type of bleeding or pulling/mopping the blood collected in this manner. Blood was found throughout the bathroom and other areas as well. Here is a resource: BLUESTAR Forensic - Latent blood detection tools

 

[MsBetsy]

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOO glad he let the baby live.

I don't think there is any chance that he would have even considered killing the baby. She was his most prized possession.
Just like if someone threatened to take away his very expensive Mercedes ( if he had one) he would never ever get rid of it! Imo

 

[InvSmith]

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOO glad he let the baby live.

Amen!!!

 

[Artis]

I've missed pages and pages of the thread and am not even done done finished reading the warrants, yet. Between PF & CW I'm getting psychopath burnout. Can't wait to see Dateline. Cute girl and lucky he didn't kill her after she dumped him.

What are the chances that PF would actually have a hat with P-F on it? Crazy. And someone name Sheila Frazee, not PF's ma, making that post? So much horrible mixed with weird.

Does anyone know who the woman (SR) is, in Idaho, whose name KK's phone number traced back to? And, the guy, the self described father figure who picked up the package? No involvement in the crime???

I am stunned about the teeth recovered. That is such a serial killer kind of move - like a trophy. What do you guys think of that?

I know you guys are way ahead of me and have discussed all of this but, man, all of this on top CW.

I know I sound like a broken record but we, humans, have to find a way to ferret out these whatever they are. My God, there's so many of them. It does no good to go on about what monsters they are and how horrible what they do is - that's a given. Aren't all of these crimes just ghastly and shocking? We have to make use of what is learned and protect ourselves and others. Maybe that's never gonna happen. I dunno. SMH.

BTW, I was struck by the girl who dated PF saying how good he was at reading people. We've got to learn to read them.

 

[Sunny58]

I think it's someone different. Not sure though. I guess we will find out, I would think she would mention it.
When does the Dateline program air? Is it tonight?

 

[Sunny58]

It’s at 10 o’clock tonight ET. NBC

 

[Artis]

ANY abuse toward animals needs to be a felony with a long sentence. I so wish humankind would really be horrified by animal abuse. It would be a quantum leap in spiritual growth and we'd lock these f-ers up and we'd all benefit. I'm so glad that will never be around another animal.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I don't know what's fact vs. speculation about the septic. It seems unfathomly improbable to me that there is no septic attached to the house. I know people who have only home-made DIY ones, but those are dedicated self-reliance/under-the-radar folks.

I don't recall seeing anything official that the septic was destroyed by the dig -- some people speculated that, or that it was hauled away to be tested, but that makes no sense to me, and would leave the house legally uninhabitable until replaced.

So, IMO, LE dug there either to find and access the septic, or because that's where the burn was (AFAIK the comments about the burn being where the round dark spot is on the aerial photo are also just someone's speculation). I do not believe anyone removed or destroyed the house septic system.

I remember that too, so it must have been from an article or something. I think it's the same woman who said that, (and it was just one dog) but it's been so long I don't remember where I read it. Apparently she was traumatized when she saw it. Imo

I'm wary here too. There were lots of heated posts from both perspectives about PF's treatment of animals. I seem to recall someone saying something like "and if he treats them like that, I wouldn't be surprised if he takes the ones he isn't breeding/showing out back and just shoots them" or similar. If there is evidence he actually does that, I'll shut up. Not defending him, hope that's obvious, but it's still important to distinguish fact from speculation.

And, the guy, the self described father figure who picked up the package? No involvement in the crime???

@Artis , you got some catching up to do!

 

[yawningreyhound]

So, nevermind about the metal (Al) bat in the landfill. KK brought the bat from home. So PF provided his own bat....probably wooden.

 

[yawningreyhound]

I can't believe how much of this testimony I missed. Thank you whomever posted the link to the KOAA Live Blog.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

If I understand right, his ranch is 17 miles from walmart.
Time frame could be:
Brother arrived around 2:30 pm
PF arrived shortly afterward (2:40)
We always ate TG about 2pm
If they ate at 3pm and finish about 3:45pm...
Get back to KB's by 4:15pm
Calling his mother cell at 4:23pm

How does PF being seen on KB Neighbors camera at 3:36 p.m. fit into that?

 

[Mom24]

How does PF being seen on KB Neighbors camera at 3:36 p.m. fit into that?

I'm not convinced PF stayed for Thanksgiving dinner. PF may have dropped in to drop the baby off and then taken back off again.

 

[NWLady]

So they did find charred bits of plastic at the Ranch. Maybe they're looking for the melted Al bat in the landfill? I'm assuming the bat was the same one KK couldn't/wouldn't use. I wonder if LE burned a metal bat and saw what was left and thought they could locate THAT at the landfill. I wonder how PF emptied the round trough, too. That would be unwieldy.

edit to add: snip: Slater says Arson Investigator Jerry Meams came to the Frazee property that day, Dec. 21. They excavated the area & found charred clumps of plastic. A test revealed there was an accelerant in the debris. The melted plastic was described as black & clumped into small balls.

Thank you so much for this!

 

[Daisyeve]

I know I have said this before, but I still cannot get over the fact that KK was involved before everything took place, hence the 3 solication charges against PF. Then KK was involved afterwards, hence the cleanup and the burning of tote, etc., but yet we are still to believe that she wasn't involved in the actual killing of KB?? I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying it. She went to Colorado not once but 3 times in attempts to kill KB. She goes to Colorado to clean up the mess at KB's. She goes with PF to get the tote from the hay bale. She is there when PF burns the tote. But yet again, she was not involved in the actual killing? I know some will say that phone locations, pings etc will prove she was not in Colorado on November 22nd, but unless her burner phone(s) information is available to law enforcement/investigators, then I will never be able to convince myself that she was NOT in Colorado on the day that KB was murdered.

And the saddest thing is, it sure seems there are at least a handful of people had at least some knowledge of what was taking place, but not one of them came forward to try and save KB. And it is JMO, but it seems rather obvious that the ONLY reason KK talked was because she wanted to save her own a$$ and even though she was involved up to her eyeballs, she faces very little consequences because of her actions. She did lie to LE/investigators the 1st time around until pressure was put on her and then she tells supposedly what she knows in an attempt to save her own hide. And yes I do believe PF swung the bat, however, I don't believe KK was back home in Idaho the day that it took place. This is all JMO.

Poor Kelsey, she did not have a chance against all this hatred and all those that were involved to some extent and were plotting against her. Such a beautiful lady, working hard, trying to make it on her own and provide for herself and her baby....

 

[v0x]

ANY abuse toward animals needs to be a felony with a long sentence. I so wish humankind would really be horrified by animal abuse. It would be a quantum leap in spiritual growth and we'd lock these f-ers up and we'd all benefit. I'm so glad that ******* will never be around another animal.

I agree with your sentiment about animal abuse. If you’re talking about dogs, horses, and cattle, that’s not yet guaranteed. Either way this case goes, he will be surrounded by animals however.

 

[Artis]

@Artis , you got some catching up to do!

I know and that's why I'm asking! It's impossible to keep unless one can stay at the computer all of the time. Were the father figure guy who picked up the package or the woman whose name KK's phone traced back to implicated in any way?

 

[The Saint]

It sounds like PF had a Standard Operating Procedure with how he treated the women in his "romantic" life.
Ex-girlfriend of Patrick Frazee breaks her silence and reveals accused killer played head games | Daily Mail Online

imo