CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #48 *ARREST*

[AgeofAquaruis]

Yes! And didn’t CC say on Dateline that PF had told him KB had lost her job? Yet, PF or KK sent a text to Doss saying she would be off work for a week visiting her relative.
Just another example where PF couldn’t keep his lies straight.

I see a steady diet of crow in someone's future.

 

[Gardener1850]

This thought just came to mind, but it's TOTALLY RANDOM THOUGHT, and in all likelihood doesn't mean anything....but what if PF has another child out there in the world and worried a match might show up if the baby KB was tested. I know, wild goose of an idea, but tossing it out there.

Not fact, speculation only.

jmo

I think it's totally possible.

MOO.

 

[The Saint]

he is a professional videographer- so he has relevant skills. he has been trying to be a local blogger and help local business and do public interest things. he has a sort of counter-culture view point, which if you do not share, can be grating. also he spends a lot of time driving around and eating, which is very USA, but not what we think of as efficient news delivery. not sure if he has any journalism credentials; he is educated.

WPU's kind of loud but his drone videos have been really important. He is committed to helping find justice for Kelsey and I believe the other missing/murdered women from Woodland Park, too.
I am grateful for his efforts to crack the case as well as our locals like
@mustloveco as well as other CO posters and posters who have told us about ranch life.
imo

 

[Trocroc9]

We also don't know what her normal shift was. I have a friend who is a nurse and she works three 12 hr. shifts and then has 4 days off.

My husband is an Operating Room RN and works 4 10 hour shifts allowing 3 days off a week .. it’s very possible she did not need much time off for all of her travels to CO to plan murders and eat at sonic with PF.

 

[acutename]

In fact while PF was gathering everything to beat KB to death, making plans with his "cowboy code" loving mistress, enlisting his friends like CC to tarnish KB's reputation for free, and SF was preparing the slaughterhouse to finish the job - KB was catching a few minutes of sleep after a long night of tending cattle and getting medications for PF's "issues", taking care of her baby that she loved, shopping for items to make a dish to bring for Thanksgiving dinner, buying flowers for SF and chatting with her mom about a dip recipe and making plans to cut down a Christmas tree while baking fresh cinnamon rolls. So many times I've wanted to give CB a hug and then giving SF a smack in the face. There is absolutely no justification for what happened here, none. Not an ounce of anything that KB did to bring this on, nothing. And when I think about how the Frazee family just continues to double down on stupid, it really makes you see how truly sick and twisted the whole lot of them are.

maybe PF is one of those black-hole people who never feels that you actually love him ("do you even love me?"). so when KB was having a difficult birth, he felt abandoned. And when she went to a clinic for exhaustion and depression, he felt abandoned. And when she had dinner or a coffee with some one from work after work instead of coming back to him immediately, he felt slighted. and when she spent the night checking cattle and getting him meds, (and taking care of the baby, and not getting any sleep or fixing her hair) that still was just not enough. never enough- just get rid of her. tantrum anyone?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Don’t quote me on this, but I believe many cattle farmers use donkeys to put in pastures with cattle bc of their calming nature. Moo

Donkeys are also like watchdogs. They can and will take on coyotes.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I’d like to see some WSers interview the whole sorry gang.
What questions would some ask?

Wha

At the very least, a good interviewer should be constantly following up commentary from folks like CC by clarifying: "do you know this personally or is your only source PF?"

I saw one headline somewhere that made me see red: it was about KK and it was something to the effect of 'woman at center of murder triangle'.

NO! KK is not at the 'center' of anything! She has a lot to answer for, but she is not responsible for the months of domestic abuse KB suffered at PF's hands. Whatever else she did, she did not force PF to kill KB - that is 100% on him.

I suppose that's what the defense will do - try to discredit KK's lies. It doesn't matter how many lies KK told - that's distracting from the real question, which is: "did PF kill KB"?

Furthermore, I don't believe this is a 'love triangle'. This is one man who wanted to get rid of the mother of his child but who didn't want to run the risks and do the dirty work himself, so he used another woman he had been involved with as a tool. No love triangle, he wasn't going to be getting together with KK 'happily ever after' when it was over. She was a long-distance rodeo booty call and nothing more.

She went along with it willingly, because she wanted KB gone so she could have PF to herself. I don't believe she didn't poison the coffee. I think Kelsey just didn't drink it.
She is as stupid as she is cold to think that PF would be all about her once Kelsey was gone.
MOO

 

[Snowsnake]

She had to have seen her body, she watched him fill the tote, her body was in said tote.
I'm really starting to believe that Kelsey could have been alive at that point still. Maybe she stirred, tried to take a breath,and then shot her.
The casings,and missing bullet,are very concerning.
MOO

I don’t believe KB survived the beating. If she was stuffed in the tote alive she would have died in short time from positional asphyxiation. She was not alive when the tote was burned. The only real question is was she actually in the tote or was her body disposed of elsewhere?

 

[Trocroc9]

Ha! I think the point is that these people weren’t following “the cowboy code.”

Unless that means allowing a mother to be murdered, and doing nothing about it.

Exactly I couldn’t quite say it correctly in my anger but the fact they say they follow the cowboy code but then do all of this .. ugh I think I’m so aggravated they say it was their way then do the opposite. I couldn’t quite get out what I wanted to say. They are still degenerates in my mind. That part I know I got right.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I don’t believe KB survived the beating. If she was stuffed in the tote alive she would have died in short time from positional asphyxiation. She was not alive when the tote was burned. The only real question is was she actually in the tote or was her body disposed of elsewhere?

I Don't understand how all these characters don't feel like complete lowlife scum for what they did.
I believe she saw her too.
MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Exactly I couldn’t quite say it correctly in my anger but the fact they say they follow the cowboy code but then do all of this .. ugh I think I’m so aggravated they say it was their way then do the opposite. I couldn’t quite get out what I wanted to say. They are still degenerates in my mind. That part I know I got right.

I think everyone shares your anger here.

Kelsey would be alive, if any of the people involved here, did the right thing.

By my count, that’s five people. It’s probably more than that.

 

[Seattle1]

Some thoughts on the Ancestry DNA kit:
It may not be significant to the case and may simply be something Kelsey wanted to do. I think many Seventh Day Adventist's find it important to research their family history because there are some SDA genealogy research websites such as this one: Genealogy Research | Center for Adventist Research

That said, I wonder if perhaps after PF's father died Kelsey asked some questions about his father's side of the family and perhaps PF said he didn't know much about his father's ancestors. I can see KB ordering the Ancestry DNA test kit as an innocent gesture to try to help PF learn more about his roots. They could test baby K's DNA and find out more about both sides of their family that way. I don't have any doubts that baby K is KB and PF's biological child. But what I am wondering about is if there are any skeletons in PF's family closet that might have come out with an Ancestry DNA test.

Sometimes people test and get some surprises in the DNA relative matches-- half siblings, adopted siblings, 1st cousins that they never knew about, etc. If a sibling was ever adopted away or a parent or grandparent strayed it may be revealed if the right person also submitted a DNA kit to Ancestry. And if KB knew about GEDmatch and had plans to upload the Ancestry DNA file there then the results could be used by LE in the future to solve cold cases. If anyone in PF's immediate family is a serial criminal (including PF) they could potentially be outed by his daughter's DNA info being uploaded to GEDmatch. Although it is not yet standard, it is becoming more common for cold cases to be solved with genealogical DNA. Anyone who has read about the arrest of the Golden State Killer would be aware of that possibility.

Perhaps PF knew some family secrets and didn't want KB (and others) to find out.
Perhaps he took the DNA test kit from KB's mail to keep her from testing baby K but knew that wouldn't work forever. I believe this issue could be another reason he wanted to get sole custody of baby K. And it could also be a motive for his family members to try to help him get full custody of baby K. And if it's something really serious it could be a motive for family and "non-family" to either help cover up or turn a blind eye on PF murdering KB. I hope that Cheryl will consider submitting an Ancestry DNA test of Baby K (in KB's honor) as soon as she is granted permanent legal guardianship. The results could be interesting.

MOO.

Both KB and Baby K had recent birthdays, maybe the DNA kit was a gift. They seem to be popular gifts these days. MOO

 

[Snowsnake]

Cult like actions, the sleep deprivation .

More like Occultist actions. This is one large brood of vipers. I am so glad the baby is safely away from this group. I fear they had evil planned for that child.

 

[acutename]

i wonder if she had an iPhone with an iCloud account

believe that there is a closed private family Facebook account

 

[Trocroc9]

Yes. He absolutely knows things:

Picking up that package.

The strange comments at the bank.

The attempt to misdirect law enforcement at the press conference.

There is something there. There has to be.

Knowing he’s involved to some extent, and figuring out what that is, are two different things though.

Right and the fact PF went to his home on more than one occasion after 11/22. That makes me really interested into why PF was confiding in him.

 

[ab01]

Yes. He absolutely knows things:

Picking up that package.

The strange comments at the bank.

The attempt to misdirect law enforcement at the press conference.

There is something there. There has to be.

Knowing he’s involved to some extent, and figuring out what that is, are two different things though.

Yep and having evidence to prove it....

 

[Hatch]

Don’t quote me on this, but I believe many cattle farmers use donkeys to put in pastures with cattle bc of their calming nature. Moo

In the area I am familiar with, goat and sheep raisers used them mostly in the past for guard animals. Most of them have advanced to guard dogs such as Great Pyrenees and like breeds.

 

[Trocroc9]

If anyone was following the Cowboy Code PF would have been hanging from a tree by now having done the air dance. This is why he is all armored up when ever they drag his worthless carcass out in public.

I guess that’s what annoys me most people around him keep sticking up for him. There isn’t anyone aside from ex girlfriends saying what a bad person he was. Did he fool all the men and some women into believing he was this upstanding citizen part of the “cowboy code”. They are going to feel like asses when it is proven in court.

 

[Gardener1850]

Does anyone think that PF was not really in the truck with Slagle when the package was picked up from KB's? Is there any evidence other than Slagle's word that PF was there? Maybe Slagle only said that PF was with him waiting in the truck as an alibi for PF? Although I can't really think of what PF would be doing-- but perhaps it was something that kept him out of town and he didn't want the police to find out where he was after the fact. He also went to the first press conference (seemingly in PF's stead) which seems to prove that PF did in fact have advance notice of the presser. Or at least he had enough notice to ask his "father figure" friend to go (My speculation only). I have always thought PF just wanted to avoid being asked to comment on KB being missing because he knew he would slip up. But sending someone else makes me wonder where PF was and what was he doing while the sheriff was saying "You would have to ask Patrick".

MOO.

 

[Ccging]

I guess that’s what annoys me most people around him keep sticking up for him. There isn’t anyone aside from ex girlfriends saying what a bad person he was. Did he fool all the men and some women into believing he was this upstanding citizen part of the “cowboy code”. They are going to feel like asses when it is proven in court.

He did not fool all people, there are a few out there, not ex girlfriends, that will hopefully speak at trial.