CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #48 *ARREST*

[ilovechili]

I still want to know why KB's FB was obtained. KK's warrant was not served for FB. PF's bank account had records requested for a few weeks only from 11/21 on. KB's was requested to way back. These two evil creatures were conspiring long before 11/21.

 

[MassGuy]

I still want to know why KB's FB was obtained. KK's warrant was not served for FB. PF's bank account had records requested for a few weeks only from 11/21 on. KB's was requested to way back. These two evil creatures were conspiring long before 11/21.

Those were only some of the warrants, and they wouldn’t need a warrant for information and data that was handed over freely.

Just because they haven’t asked for something, doesn’t mean they don’t have it.

 

[MassGuy]

That long after the fact you think the footage would still necessarily exist? And that she saved a receipt that they have?

Who knows. Places keep footage for varying lengths of time.

They do tend to hold on to it a lot longer now, as it is digitized.

Any receipt could come from the location itself, and not from her.

 

[ilovechili]

“You have a mess to clean up.”

She knew what that meant.

"He is pure evil" (paraphrasing)

What did she see? And when?

 

[ilovechili]

I believe the significance is that she turned it off bc she was going to participate in cleaning up a crime scene and or disposing of a body. In and around the time of KB murder was put in to cover a broad time by LE. MOO

Luckily LE can still see ping data from her phone and or the burner phone she was using during this time frame. MOO

You can give her the benefit of the doubt and think that. I do not have a tendency to give her the benefit of the doubt, nor him, I see no reason to. To each their own though.

 

[MassGuy]

You can give her the benefit of the doubt and think that. I do not have a tendency to give her the benefit of the doubt, nor him, I see no reason to. To each their own though.

It’s not about giving her the benefit of the doubt though, she’s a proven liar; she doesn’t deserve it.

It’s allowing the evidence to speak for itself.

I believe that she is a horrible human being, and capable of murder.

The evidence says that she isn’t Kelsey’s killer though, and PF is.

 

[ab01]

Good rule of thumb:

Always assume that investigators have more evidence than what we know about.

You will more often than not be proven correct.

There is a reason they don’t share everything they have.

Gnight

 

[ilovechili]

Who knows. Places keep footage for varying lengths of time.

They do tend to hold on to it a lot longer now, as it is digitized.

Any receipt could come from the location itself, and not from her.

I thought of that but a receipt is going to do no good if it is cash and they have no footage. So she shuts off or deletes google location but then is seen on camera? Wow these two have no brains...

 

[ilovechili]

It’s not about giving her the benefit of the doubt though, she’s a proven liar; she doesn’t deserve it.

It’s allowing the evidence to speak for itself.

I believe that she is a horrible human being, and capable of murder.

The evidence says that she isn’t Kelsey’s killer though, and PF is.

With all due respect, I have never said PF did not kill Kelsey. Not once, not ever.

 

[ab01]

You can give her the benefit of the doubt and think that. I do not have a tendency to give her the benefit of the doubt, nor him, I see no reason to. To each their own though.

Nah I’m not giving her the benefit of anything!

I’m trusting that LE is competent and knows more than I do. And I don’t think they are giving her the benefit of doubt either.

 

[SandyQLS]

If the DA didn't need KK, he wouldn't have had any reason whatsoever to make a deal with her. That flies in the face of all logic.

It isn't enough to just get PF arrested. The DA needs a conviction, not just an arrest.
PF needs to go away forever.

As things stand right now, this is a no-body case.
Cell phone data alone would never be enough to guarantee a conviction against PF, especially given the fact that KB's phone data had the phone traveling to Idaho, when PF was in CO.

Blood evidence is helpful, but if it's just KB's blood in that townhome, that's not enough to secure a conviction against PF.

And PF ain't talking. So somebody else needs to....fortunately for Dan May, KK has a big mouth.

KK's testimony is absolutely critical to securing a conviction in this case.

It is KK alone who can and will testify to PF's calling her to tell her she needed to get her keister to CO because she had a mess to clean up."

It is KK alone who can and will testify to the scene she walked into at KB's townhome when she went to clean up PF's bloody mess.

It is KK alone who can testify to the bonfire at the Frazee ranch and the burning of the black tote which is purported to have contained KB's body.

It is KK alone who can and will testify to the multiple solicitations that PF made of her, and the specific plans he asked her to execute, e.g. poison Starbucks, baseball bat attack, etc.

The DA clearly thinks that KK's testimony is critical to securing a conviction with PF.

He's right.

JMO.

JMO the typical strategy with a problematic witness is to put all the bad stuff out there at the beginning, and hope that the jury will forget about it as the story unfolds. First her saccharine deal, then her poison coffee trip 9/23, then the metal rod trip 10/15, then the aluminum baseball bat trip 10/23. Each trip a 1600 mile round trip drive with KK's intention to murder KB. KK claims "PF made me do it!" When KB disappears 11/22 and is presumed dead, KK claims "PF did it!". Then she does the 1600 miles to clean up someone else's murder, per her story.

The Prosecution will hold her hand, treat her like a victim, give her a box of tissues. The then Defense will examine her and end by honing in again on her bad acts to reimprint them on the jury.

I cannot see a jury ever recuperating.

The Prosecution case is not that good. It is full of holes and blunders IMO.

They are searching the landfill because they need evidence IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I thought of that but a receipt is going to do no good if it is cash and they have no footage. So she shuts off or deletes google location but then is seen on camera? Wow these two have no brains...

She wouldn’t care if she was seen on camera.

No one is going to see that footage, because no one was supposed to check.

Someone would have to specifically go there and retrieve it, and that’s not going to happen if she covers her digital trail.

 

[ilovechili]

She wouldn’t care if she was seen on camera.

No one is going to see that footage, because no one was supposed to check.

Someone would have to specifically go there and retrieve it, and that’s not going to happen if she covers her digital trail.

Mm-hmm. Hence the reason for someone else's car and expired tags. She hides but then doesn't. Sorry I just don't see it.

 

[GordianKnot]

It’s not about giving her the benefit of the doubt though, she’s a proven liar; she doesn’t deserve it.

It’s allowing the evidence to speak for itself.

I believe that she is a horrible human being, and capable of murder.

The evidence says that she isn’t Kelsey’s killer though, and PF is.

With all due respect, I have never said PF did not kill Kelsey. Not once, not ever.

ilc, I am not the original poster, obviously, but I didn't read their post to insinuate that you were saying that PF didn't kill Kelsey at all. I think the two of you are in agreement on the question of who killed KB!

I think the post you quoted just focused on reinforcing that PF is KB's killer, regardless of how horrible and reprehensible a human being KK herself is.

KK is a self-serving liar, and a reprobate, and a vile human being.

Having said all that, we have to remember:

PF swung the bat.

JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Mm-hmm. Hence the reason for someone else's car and expired tags. She hides but then doesn't. Sorry I just don't see it.

So you don’t think she stopped for gas?

 

[ilovechili]

Nah I’m not giving her the benefit of anything!

I’m trusting that LE is competent an knows more than I do. And I don’t think they are giving her the benefit of doubt either.

Yes and some members of LE will tell you that not every case has this magical perfect evidence for every fact, it simply does not always exist. Some will also tell you that this belief that there will be these magical CSI moments and perfect evidence for each and every fact puts great pressure on them. jmo.

All that being said, I hope you are right.

 

[GordianKnot]

Mm-hmm. Hence the reason for someone else's car and expired tags. She hides but then doesn't. Sorry I just don't see it.

Normally, ilc, I would agree with you.
There are 2 things we have to keep in mind at all times throughout this case.

This is PF we're talking about. He's incredibly, mind-blowingly stupid.
This is KK we're talking about. Turns out, she's also incredibly, mind-blowingly stupid.

Normal rules of logic and reasonable behavior do not apply to this crime.
PF and KK haven proven that neither of them have any executive functioning skills whatsoever.

This is the most poorly planned and executed crime I've ever heard of or read about.
PF is dumber than a box of rocks. His side piece is no better.

JMO.

 

[ilovechili]

ilc, I am not the original poster, obviously, but I didn't read their post to insinuate that you were saying that PF didn't kill Kelsey at all. I think the two of you are in agreement on the question of who killed KB!

I think the post you quoted just focused on reinforcing that PF is KB's killer, regardless of how horrible and reprehensible a human being KK herself is.

KK is a self-serving liar, and a reprobate, and a vile human being.

Having said all that, we have to remember:

PF swung the bat.

JMO.

Thank you. Just stating my thoughts as we all are. No one has convinced me however that there was a bat. Just saying Without a body or a bat, who knows?

That comes from KK from PF and KK only. I have grave doubts that can be proven by the prosecution.

Which comes back to the issues in this case.

I think all want the same thing though--and that is for the guilty to be punished.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes and some members of LE will tell you that not every case has this magical perfect evidence for every fact, it simply does not always exist. Some will also tell you that this belief that there will be these magical CSI moments and perfect evidence for each and every fact puts great pressure on them. jmo.

All that being said, I hope you are right.

This case doesn’t need perfect evidence.

There is absolutely no explanation for his lies.

Him returning to Kelsey’s house, is absolutely devastating.

From that point on, his lies and deception grow, and are documented by his own texts, his own phone calls, and his own phone location.

With Kelsey’s phone right beside him.

His stupidity is staggering, and when you give a guy that amount of time, you give him an equal amount of rope.

He hung himself. He just doesn’t know it yet.

 

[GordianKnot]

His stupidity is staggering, and when you give a guy that amount of time, you give him an equal amount of rope.

He hung himself. He just doesn’t know it yet.

RSABBM:

I love this imagery! It's so perfect for Cowboy Pat.
I hope DA Dan uses that metaphor in his closing arguments!