CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[ilovechili]

Crooked bangs! LOL!

Bless his heart.

Seriously, those are the kind of bangs you get when a toddler won't sit still. So he did not sit still for ma. I won't speculate on the relationship. I suspect she knows he is 32...

 

[Mom24]

So the difference is an ADN does not have as much training? Like having an associates degree rather than a bachelor's?

Well, the real difference is the amount of school. BSN is a 4year baccalaureate degree while an ADN is a two year associate degree. I wouldn't necessarily say that one has more "training" than the other, since both have the same number of clinical hours, but a BSN has to do the required coursework for a baccalaureate degree. A BSN also gives you more options. I chose BSN so I could later become a NP (nurse practioner). If someone wasn't interested in that or couldn't afford a BSN program, they can go the ADN route. I only clarify because I don't like the thought that an ADN doesn't have as much clinical training, because they do.

 

[Mom24]

He didn’t come across well.

His position seemed to be, “I don’t believe it, but it is possible.”

He was strong in his denial at times, but I definitely got the impression that the door is open a bit.

I'm hoping he's just embarrassed that he got hoodwinked by PF. In order for him to admit that what PF told him were lies, he was stupid enough to believe those lies. I'm also hoping he'll soon change his tune, eat his crow and apologize for spreading malicious lies.

 

[LietKynes]

Not sure why CC is retelling PF's lies on national TV, BIG mistake.

PF's actions on the day of baby K's birth gave DHS enough evidence to open a case against HIM. Sure we only have CB's repeating it, but a few of the nurses may be asked to testify, their testimony is not going to be third party, neither is the case number with all the information in it.

Curious if PF is gutsy enough to take this to trial, knowing the real him will be exposed.

SABBM

Re. the bolded portion : Yes, the DM article displayed yet another side of PF that in hindsight should have been a warning sign for Kelsey.
Not blaming her at all as up until the hour of her death she was doing errands for HIM. (as a previous poster pointed out.)
Imo, Kelsey chose to see the good in people , and she may have given PF chance after chance.

So sorry, Kelsey.
You did nothing to deserve the atrocious death handed to you by that monster !

 

[?mysterian?]

I guess I should stick up for the program as well because it is accelerated and packed into two years (and one summer in some programs). Most places accept the ADN which is an RN but some rigid employers, at least back when, still wanted the four year degree. They have done all of the clinicals and on site interning, etc. Some of the best nurses I know did the ADN program. And a couple of airhead friends Yet they showed me a side of them I did not previously see--it was something they were interested in, they loved it and came through.

With regard to KK though and in thinking of her and PF meeting, it very well could have been in tech college, not college per se.

Hospitals used to want BSNs for some management positions, MSNs for others. Not sure how it is now.

It definitely helped if one wanted to go up the career ladder, it stopped being merit-based, and more degree-based.

If you didn't have an advanced degree, you couldn't move up. But this was a hundred years or so ago, in another pre-retirement lifetime, IMO. I worked with some of the best RNs who were ADNs, and some of the worst had advanced degrees. So you couldn't judge how good a nurse was by how many initials were after their name on their name tag, IMO.

But ADN programs and BSN programs are accredited by state Boards of Nursing and must teach necessary curriculum so students could pass licensing board examinations. Pass/fail rates of each school are scrutinized by the BON, and if there's a problem, they'll step in to correct it or shut the school down. IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm hoping he's just embarrassed that he got hoodwinked by PF. In order for him to admit that what PF told him were lies, he was stupid enough to believe those lies. I'm also hoping he'll soon change his tune, eat his crow and apologize for spreading malicious lies.

Hopefully. You see this type of thing a lot, especially in cases where famous people are involved:

“I don’t want to believe it, so I won’t.”

 

[ilovechili]

Well, the real difference is the amount of school. BSN is a 4year baccalaureate degree while an ADN is a two year associate degree. I wouldn't necessarily say that one has more "training" than the other, since both have the same number of clinical hours, but a BSN has to do the required coursework for a baccalaureate degree. A BSN also gives you more options. I chose BSN so I could later become a NP (nurse practioner). If someone wasn't interested in that or couldn't afford a BSN program, they can go the ADN route. I only clarify because I don't like the thought that an ADN doesn't have as much clinical training, because they do.

I agree, they have just as much clinical training and the courses that matter. They also have a lot packed into the two years. Yet if one wants to specialize in a certain area of nursing or go on in nursing the 4 year can be the way to go. Is that the way it still is? As you say, for instance, as well, to go on to NP which did not exist I do not think when the ADN program first came about. When it first came about, the ones I knew that went through the program had to be picked by a lottery (name pulled out of a hat basically), there was so much demand and people who wanted to enroll but they could take only so many students a year.

 

[ilovechili]

Hospitals used to want BSNs for some management positions, MSNs for others. Not sure how it is now.

It definitely helped if one wanted to go up the career ladder, it stopped being merit-based, and more degree-based.

If you didn't have an advanced degree, you couldn't move up. But this was a hundred years or so ago, in another pre-retirement lifetime, IMO. I worked with some of the best RNs who were ADNs, and some of the worst had advanced degrees. So you couldn't judge how good a nurse was by how many initials were after their name on their name tag, IMO.

But ADN programs and BSN programs are accredited by state Boards of Nursing and must teach necessary curriculum so students could pass licensing board examinations. Pass/fail rates of each school are scrutinized by the BON, and if there's a problem, they'll step in to correct it or shut the school down. IMO.

Thank you, pretty much what I thought yet what I know about the program is from some years ago as well. I did know they have to pass the boards just like any RN. And some of the best I know as well did the ADN program.

 

[BingoBongo]

haha it seems as though a lot of you are taking it that i am slamming KB?!

1- i dont think there is anything wrong with trying to get help. Mentally, or for a substance abuse, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE... i wouldnt judge you... i think it is a positive thing to do.

I am simply stating what I have heard on MSM... thats ALL...

The issue is, PF TRIED to slam KB via his comments to others (CC, and who knows who else) that KB was in rehab twice, that she had an alcohol problem, and that she was fired from her job. Rehab, to most people, signifies drugs or alcohol, not depression help.

PF's intent, was to paint a picture that KB was a problem...she "disappeared", she drank too much, and implied that she lost her job as a result. Sociopath/narcs do this in order to make themselves look like the "good" one and their SO look like the "bad" one.

Since CC once owned a bar in Cripple Creek, I wonder more about his and PF's drinking habits that I do KB's.

For a variety of reasons, I believe KB was, as CC said in the Dateline interview, a good girl. I bet she rarely, if ever drank, was a solid employee and mother. And I bet PF wanted something different.

PF is the evil one. KK probably is too.

 

[?mysterian?]

Seriously, those are the kind of bangs you get when a toddler won't sit still. So he did not sit still for ma. I won't speculate on the relationship. I suspect she knows he is 32...

Aww, it's HARD to sit still when you're sick.

 

[jewelsmac]

He didn’t come across well.

His position seemed to be, “I don’t believe it, but it is possible.”

He was strong in his denial at times, but I definitely got the impression that the door is open a bit.

No, th0ugh if I'm being honest I think he just bought all the BS his buddy PF fed him..because people tend to believe their friends. I am wondering when his interview was actually done. I am thinking before all of the information was put out there in court. He may still believe all that, sadly. I do definitely feel there are more people that KNOW than I originally thought. And that business at the bank is hinky as hell.

 

[jewelsmac]

Seriously, those are the kind of bangs you get when a toddler won't sit still. So he did not sit still for ma. I won't speculate on the relationship. I suspect she knows he is 32...

snort

 

[ilovechili]

The issue is, PF TRIED to slam KB via his comments to others (CC, and who knows who else) that KB was in rehab twice, that she had an alcohol problem, and that she was fired from her job. Rehab, to most people, signifies drugs or alcohol, not depression help.

PF's intent, was to paint a picture that KB was a problem...she "disappeared", she drank too much, and implied that she lost her job as a result. Sociopath/narcs do this in order to make themselves look like the "good" one and their SO look like the "bad" one.

Since CC once owned a bar in Cripple Creek, I wonder more about his and PF's drinking habits that I do KB's.

For a variety of reasons, I believe KB was, as CC said in the Dateline interview, a good girl. I bet she rarely, if ever drank, was a solid employee and mother. And I bet PF wanted something different.

PF is the evil one. KK probably is too.

Very early on, there was a liquor store employee who claimed to be familiar with KB. She said nothing but nice things but it pointed it out that it was a liquor store. I wonder who and how that was pointed out or why she came out right off the bat... Part of the story trying to be weaved would be my guess.

It is quite common for certain types to project so my guess too is that everything PF said about KB or tried to plant or convince of is true of himself. That baby needs to never be anywhere near him or his family.

As far as a "good girl" from a guy like that, I take that to mean she was too much of a stuck up "goody two shoes".... Not some ribald cowgirl slamming whiskeys with them and telling dirty jokes...

just my own opinion and my own speculation.

 

[ilovechili]

Aww, it's HARD to sit still when you're sick.

chuckle...

 

[Mom24]

Are we allowed to sleuth CC?

No. The only things we can talk about are what has already been posted on MSM, like his affiliation with the TMH organization and what he says PF told him. But he's a non POI, so we can't post anything here publicly that hasn't already been noted in an MSM article or video.

 

[MassGuy]

No, th0ugh if I'm being honest I think he just bought all the BS his buddy PF fed him..because people tend to believe their friends. I am wondering when his interview was actually done. I am thinking before all of the information was put out there in court. He may still believe all that, sadly. I do definitely feel there are more people that KNOW than I originally thought. And that business at the bank is hinky as hell.

Well just about everything he said, came from PF directly.

All the rehab lies were simply repeated.

 

[ilovechili]

snort

i read that and swear i heard the snort and laughed out loud.... thank you!

 

[MsBetsy]

Well, the real difference is the amount of school. BSN is a 4year baccalaureate degree while an ADN is a two year associate degree. I wouldn't necessarily say that one has more "training" than the other, since both have the same number of clinical hours, but a BSN has to do the required coursework for a baccalaureate degree. A BSN also gives you more options. I chose BSN so I could later become a NP (nurse practioner). If someone wasn't interested in that or couldn't afford a BSN program, they can go the ADN route. I only clarify because I don't like the thought that an ADN doesn't have as much clinical training, because they do.

I think I get it. It's more of an intensive program focusing in one area while a BSN requires unrelated "core" courses. So the amount of clinical training would be the same. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Are we allowed to sleuth CC?

Not unless he is a suspect or POI. Imo

 

[Mom24]

Very early on, there was a liquor store employee who claimed to be familiar with KB. She said nothing but nice things but it pointed it out that it was a liquor store. I wonder who and how that was pointed out or why she came out right off the bat... Part of the story trying to be weaved would be my guess.

It is quite common for certain types to project so my guess too is that everything PF said about KB or tried to plant or convince of is true of himself. That baby needs to never be anywhere near him or his family.

As far as a "good girl" from a guy like that, I take that to mean she was too much of a stuck up "goody two shoes".... Not some ribald cowgirl slamming whiskeys with them and telling dirty jokes...

just my own opinion and my own speculation.

Yes, I recall that. Something about KB coming in every week. Early on I think there was a narrative trying to be put out there by both PF's family and his friends. He never spoke about her, but he put words in other people's mouths to create a backstory and I think the liquor store owner fell prey to that manipulative ploy as well. I always thought the liquor store owner made those statements to get free advertising and to have a few moments in the limelight.