CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[v0x]

Yes, her name/number is in SW Attach A, but she's never been identified as a POI or suspect in the case. There's much more info about her in the article you linked.

Sorry. Catching up. Which SW?

ETA Found it. Page 22 of 18-111. Attached.

 

[lindaromas]

Yes those items tested positive for blood but it did not say that it was KB’s unless I missed that somewhere. Only place her blood matched her DNA was her home. Moo feel free to correct me if I am incorrect.

I'm assuming since KKL mentioned most of the items in clean up. I noticed it says all items were taken from the residence, and included any and all out buildings and vehicles, hard telling where they were taken from.

 

[lindaromas]

I can’t imagine that it would stand. That would be a huge lie, and not one of her face saving ones.

The affidavit lays out a timeline, one that does not involve her arriving in Colorado until the morning of the 24th.

Bye bye deal.

I'll drink to that!

 

[ilovechili]

Yes those items tested positive for blood but it did not say that it was KB’s unless I missed that somewhere. Only place her blood matched her DNA was her home. Moo feel free to correct me if I am incorrect.

Someone said earlier KB's blood was found at the Franch and it already is taking on a life of its own. Presumptive from what I understand simply told them it is "blood" and not another substance. That is the way I took it from the start but then saw otherwise and thought I missed some release of facts.

The only thing I know as well comes from the townhome, not the Franch as for KB evidence confirmed...

 

[Trocroc9]

Well said. It also fits with what a juror is expected to be. Awaiting enough evidence and the entire case. LE may very well have it, we do not. Well, at least I don't.

If I had my mind made up 100 percent as to each and every fact and event, what would possibly be the point of following this particular case? Other than to check on a verdict and the occasional update? I would look to another case.

This is a "sleuthing" site right? If the cases ended upon arrest or a preliminary then I guess it is time to move on. I have never understood a preliminary to be the trial, over and done with. It is a busy thread so apparently that is not the case.

Discussion is what I enjoy

And this is jmo.

Excellent post and I feel the same. The best part of this site is questioning the bits that we do get and trying to put the pieces together. Once the case is solved there is not much to sleuth and it’s time to move on. With that being said I enjoy hearing from all and keep up the great sleuthing!

 

[Yellow Rose]

Yes, her name/number is in SW Attach A, but she's never been identified as a POI or suspect in the case. There's much more info about her in the article you linked.

Thanks! Been missing a lot! Hubby scheduled for shoulder surgery Friday and so it’s hit and miss on here while getting ready. Sometimes I don’t think I’ll ever catch up!

 

[MassGuy]

Someone said earlier KB's blood was found at the Franch and it already is taking on a life of its own. Presumptive from what I understand simply told them it is "blood" and not another substance. That is the way I took it from the start but then saw otherwise and thought I missed some release of facts.

The only thing I know as well comes from the townhome, not the Franch as for KB evidence confirmed...

Exactly. “Presumptive” means that they tested it to see if it was blood, and got a positive result.

We don’t know who (or what) that blood belongs to.

It could be huge (if Kelsey’s), or it could be irrelevant.

 

[MemPat]

Every time I find myself discounting potential evidence on account of it existing because of PF’s stupidity, I am reminded of @GordianKnot ‘s words:

“This is PF we’re talking about.”

If those items definitively test positive for Kelsey’s blood, then he’s in even more trouble.

There’s a lot of lab results yet to come back, so we’ll have to wait a while.

I agree, if that tote left blood on the hay, then it likely left blood in the bed of his truck as well.

I think he must have placed it on top of Kelsey’s blood, while he was loading her inside the container.

There is no P.F. in M.E.N.S.A. Just sayin'.

 

[lindaromas]

What happened in court today? I totally forgot there was some type of hearing.

 

[ilovechili]

Exactly. “Presumptive” means that they tested it to see if it was blood, and got a positive result.

We don’t know who (or what) that blood belongs to.

It could be huge (if Kelsey’s), or it could be irrelevant.

Thank you so much for confirming that.

 

[PommyMommy]

I am no expert but a few weeks ago someone on here responded who seemed to know to this kind of speculation that by the time they were on to KK, etc. and had PF's phone and had any hint of burners that this window was lost. It might explain the lack of warrants regarding other numbers. Or no returns. Not sure which is true. I also do not know how they would get burner to burner numbers if never provided and disposed of nor ever used to call any other number. They stated that the window of time was too late for a cell tower dump. I do not remember who it was. So just offering what I read, I cannot say whether it is fact. jmo.

Cell phone data is key to cracking Berreth case, expert says
Pfoff said investigators could have asked for what he calls a ‘tower dump’, gaining access to all of the numbers for phones that pinged off the tower that day.

However, he said towers only hold that data for three to five days.

 

[lindaromas]

Exactly. “Presumptive” means that they tested it to see if it was blood, and got a positive result.

We don’t know who (or what) that blood belongs to.

It could be huge (if Kelsey’s), or it could be irrelevant.

Yes, thank you Mass, your memory sponge is overflowing!

 

[ilovechili]

Cell phone data is key to cracking Berreth case, expert says
Pfoff said investigators could have asked for what he calls a ‘tower dump’, gaining access to all of the numbers for phones that pinged off the tower that day.

However, he said towers only hold that data for three to five days.

Thank you Pommy. I thought I had read that. This is exactly what I saw. I appreciate it.

 

[Seattle1]

Sorry. Catching up. Which SW?

It's Attachment A, try 18-111.

 

[lindaromas]

What happened in court today? I totally forgot there was some type of hearing.

March 11, 2019 - Monday

• PF Wrongful Death - Scheduling and Planning Conference - 1:30 pm

Case: 19-cv-00027-PAB-KMT

 

[Seattle1]

dbm

 

[PommyMommy]

March 11, 2019 - Monday

• PF Wrongful Death - Scheduling and Planning Conference - 1:30 pm

Case: 19-cv-00027-PAB-KMT

I thought I read that this was postponed. I'll see if I can find a link.
MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Missing Colorado Mom Update: A Third Woman Emerges In Case

The third woman has not been identified as a suspect in the case but was located a few miles from where Berreth’s cell phone pinged off a cell tower on Nov. 25.

The woman is known to be 39 and employed in the medical field, the Daily Mail reported. On Nov. 25 at 5:14 p.m., Berreth’s cell phone pinged a tower near the Malad Gorge State Park. Ten minutes later, the third woman called Frazee and was located 10 miles away from the park.

 

[lindaromas]

I believe it was unrelated to Berreths, babyK and/or PF.

Tippy has it in the timeline.

or someone, I'll have to go back and see who posted it.

Edit/add it's in part 3

 

[ab01]

I'll say one thing I think we can probably all agree on:

Boy what I wouldn't give to have been a fly on the wall when KK and her lawyer met with investigators and investigators laid out all the evidence they had of her and PF relationship and the pings from her and KB's phones....MOO