CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[lindaromas]

The third woman called Frazee or someone using her phone called Frazee, Imo.

OMG. I just got a crazy thought! This call might have been made by KKL. If Susie is KKL’s friend this might be the stop she made to let CL know she lost her phone. And KKL called PF

 

[Trocroc9]

Exactly.

I keep hoping also that all of that blood in the bathroom is just from PF being very messy and in a rage ripping off his clothes and flinging blood all over. I’m trying to imagine all of that splatter (especially up high) was not caused from the hits with the bat. Even though I know he is a monster.

I think I just can’t wrap my mind around such a cruel person.

This is a bit gruesome but I have watched a few criminal cases on TV where the murderer pulls the teeth out to prevent identification if a body is recovered. I hate to say it but the pic on the underneath part of the toilet looked like spatter as if someone was on the ground and a tooth might have been pulled outward and upward IMO. The bath mat is missing as well. Spatter upward on bathroom ceiling. Teeth are found. One KK admits to retrieving from a vent with roots intact. I’m thinking it’s a possibility with all that blood that was found in that bathroom coupled with the 2-3 hours PF was in that house. Again just speculation and MOO.

 

[v0x]

OMG. I just got a crazy thought! This call might have been made by KKL. If Susie is KKL’s friend this might be the stop she made to let CL know she lost her phone. And KKL called PF

IMO that news source doesn’t seem to be reliable. I don’t think there was ever any “third woman”

 

[MassGuy]

This is a bit gruesome but I have watched a few criminal cases on TV where the murderer pulls the teeth out to prevent identification if a body is recovered. I hate to say it but the pic on the underneath part of the toilet looked like spatter as if someone was on the ground and a tooth might have been pulled outward and upward IMO. The bath mat is missing as well. Spatter upward on bathroom ceiling. Teeth are found. One KK admits to retrieving from a vent with roots intact. I’m thinking it’s a possibility with all that blood that was found in that bathroom coupled with the 2-3 hours PF was in that house. Again just speculation and MOO.

I just don’t think he had the time, and besides, you do that sort of thing if you’re worried about a body being found.

It doesn’t appear he had such concerns.

With today’s forensics, it simply delays identification; it doesn’t prevent it.

So with time constraints and it being a pointless endevour, I don’t think PF played dentist.

 

[lindaromas]

IMO that news source doesn’t seem to be reliable. I don’t think there was ever any “third woman”

Ok so PF got a call from this phone I’m still wondering if this is where she contacted CL about losing her phone and started using this phone with PF?

 

[PommyMommy]

Is there a link, so I can understand what we’re referring to here? TIA

Sorry for the late reply, I was listening to tonight's podcast and now struggling to get caught up again. This is where I read it:

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
NEW: Both parties were set for a hearing in the civil (wrongful death) case on Monday, March 11, which has since been vacated. The judge received a motion to stay discovery from Frazee on Thursday -- and they decided they need more time. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA

 

[Ccging]

This is a bit gruesome but I have watched a few criminal cases on TV where the murderer pulls the teeth out to prevent identification if a body is recovered. I hate to say it but the pic on the underneath part of the toilet looked like spatter as if someone was on the ground and a tooth might have been pulled outward and upward IMO. The bath mat is missing as well. Spatter upward on bathroom ceiling. Teeth are found. One KK admits to retrieving from a vent with roots intact. I’m thinking it’s a possibility with all that blood that was found in that bathroom coupled with the 2-3 hours PF was in that house. Again just speculation and MOO.

That is gruesome, but makes sense in terms of trying to make it harder to ID a body.

Would make sense that one tooth flew when he yanked them out.

I hope he didn’t do that to poor KB, but we can’t rule anything out.

Especially if they confirm the teeth found at the ranchette are KB’s.

 

[v0x]

Ok so PF got a call from this phone I’m still wondering if this is where she contacted CL about losing her phone and started using this phone with PF?

IMO it was a recycled phone number that became the number of her burner phone. See my previous post here Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

 

[ab01]

Ok so PF got a call from this phone I’m still wondering if this is where she contacted CL about losing her phone and started using this phone with PF?

I thought if IIRC she told CL in person that her phone was broken and she needed a new one?

I think That msn person did a reverse phone look up and saw the previous persons name connected to that number. I think it was an old number that was relisted and was then reissued on the burner phone that KK purchased. MOO

there was never a third woman

much like the wizard of oz woman, just another innocent uninvolved person moo

 

[acutename]

I have problems with the idea of PF in the condo with Baby K for two hours. It's hard for me to imagine he spent much time on 'warming up' to the deed - I suspect he got down to it pretty quickly. If KK is to be believed, he didn't spend much time cleaning up. So what exactly did he do for two hours, allegedly alone in the condo with Baby K and KB's dead body? I don't recall any phone calls during this time, either.

bludgeoning; finding, reading, deleting phone items from KB's phone and PC or tablet; showering and changing clothes... occurred to me that he might have showered in his clothing and then put it in the washer & dryer- would have been messy in the bathroom and maybe he did not have clean clothing with him? just a thought. snooping, taking her gun, keys purse, maybe other items.

 

[Kapua]

Yes. I can’t say this enough, Chris Spargo is the spawn of Satan.

His last three stories, have been nothing short of complete nonsense.

I implore everyone who uses the Daily Mail as a source:

If you see something with his name in the byline, assume that everything he says is wrong.

I think the Daily Mail literally plucked him off a trash heap.

The only thing that rag is good for is pics. IMHO

 

[ab01]

I thought if IIRC she told CL in person that her phone was broken and she needed a new one?

I think That msn person did a reverse phone look up and saw the previous persons name connected to that number. I think it was an old number that was relisted and was then reissued on the burner phone that KK purchased. MOO

there was never a third woman

much like the wizzard of oz woman, just another innocent uninvolved person moo

Off topic:
Can you imagine having the same Name as an accused murderer. I have seen some peoples social media pages that are totally unconnected to a crime and yikes. I always feel so bad for those poor people!

 

[acutename]

Nothing crazy about it. The facts or facts along with the "lack of them" lend to it. To me on 11/22 there is someone else involved... Whether that is at the house, watching the baby in the truck, handing her off, helping with KB, etc.

I think he is evil enough to have the baby in that house while he did this but hmm, she is in a playpen at one year old, he beats, puts her mother in a tote, showers, changes, uses baby wipes to try to clean up, then hauls the tote AND the baby to the truck (by the way he gets no blood on him hauling the tote...??? Okay, so I guess he could have showered and changed after but then that means he put the tote in the truck and left it unwatched while he showered and changed. So either she went into the tote immediately and perfectly and no blood was gotten on him by the tote when hauling it? Or no blood after. Then runs to ma's for dinner with the baby and the body and so far as we know to date, totally clean? Neither seen on video, him with the baby or the tote nor both leaving the home... Along with the bat, clothing, etc. Give me a break! And a jury is to buy this?? Did he shower the tote off after stuffing poor KB in it? I mean blood went all over the home so I am sure when he put her in it it must have as well... No expert but I just do not buy it--I sure hope they have answers to all of these things...

I don't know about a playpen as much but my children were climbing out of their cribs at one year old. a playpen they probably would have tried to just dive over the mesh side and if it is a combo like/crib playpen, no problem. KK had just received a baby gate from a neighbor so this baby was getting around. If he had her out and about well that is another bunch of questions...

I have my suspicions of who was with the baby... She cannot place herself there or the deal may be off. There were negotiations and I would be sure the good side would have had conditions as well--as in as long as you were not the murderer nor present, the deal will stand. I mean for those sticking up for the deal, the prosecution and agencies are smart too right? Would they have not put conditions in as well? Just as she and her attorney did?

jmo and speculation. these are all questions i would have as a juror.

could have left the baby strapped in her carrier but I cannot imagine her NOT crying if she heard her mother in distress and I am amazed if she did not miss her mother after she was gone, IMO. Any pictures of baby K ever with KK or RS? Babies do not always like to be carried around by strangers and baby K was over a yr old.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

Sorry for the late reply, I was listening to tonight's podcast and now struggling to get caught up again. This is where I read it:

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
NEW: Both parties were set for a hearing in the civil (wrongful death) case on Monday, March 11, which has since been vacated. The judge received a motion to stay discovery from Frazee on Thursday -- and they decided they need more time. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee @KOAA

I guess PF and his legal team filed the motion to stay discovery because they are still hoping the civil case will get dismissed.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I'll say one thing I think we can probably all agree on:

Boy what I wouldn't give to have been a fly on the wall when KK and her lawyer met with investigators and investigators laid out all the evidence they had of her and PF relationship and the pings from her and KB's phones....MOO

I'll go you one better - I'd like to have been a fly on the wall when PF found out what KK told LE - and the deal she got.

I would like to be a fly on the courtroom wall when PF is on trial, with KK on the stand some ten feet away from him, and the lawyers grilling her under oath.

 

[acutename]

I personally think there is more than one camera in play here. Just speculation but we have a picture with a plant and a baby carrier and PF and KB. Some say KK was not caught because of her height, yet KB was who was no taller... I tend to think the prosecution does not have everything we would dream of but I think they do have far more than we know...

could be that the presence of PF who is taller tripped the camera.... but if there was video from 11/22 and nothing from the arlo before 11/29, something is missing

 

[24Brix]

I see item #54 re the swap back at Walmart on the 25th @ 4Pm, is there anything stated on where KKL and her nurse friend swapped the vehicles on the 24th?

I don’t think that’s been revealed yet. BUT...

Twin Falls is about 12 hours from Woodland Park and we know KKL was in Woodland Park on the morning and the afternoon of the 24th when she sent the message to MG asking, falsely, to stay at her house that night. So the vehicle exchange surely took place on the 23rd and, logically, at the same Wal-Mart. It’s just not mentioned in the SW because that swap is less relevant than the return swap where the gun was found to be -1 round.

This again leads to the conclusion that KKL was in TF on the 22nd. Otherwise she’d need to have made that 12 hour run four times in four days. Ain’t no way. They have pings, they have at least one, and probably more, eyewitnesses, and they probably have video confirming this. Plus they probably have location data from the apps that, unlike Google Location, she likely failed to clear.

As for the minus one round, here’s my theory: PF wanted KKL “fully invested” in the events. As a matter of principle, she was required to put a round into KB’s body. Maybe on the hay bales so the hay could catch the spent bullet. This lead to a hole in the tote and something for the dogs to hit on. It also puts a scent on PF’s truck bed. (Which is additional unrevealed evidence in LE’s possession. I’m pretty sure we have not seen the returns on the search warrant for PF’s vehicles yet, only KB’s. If this is true, I expect KB has also admitted to that as well. But it can’t make her any more vile than she already is.)

All of the above is 100% MOO and my speculation entirely.

 

[acutename]

Goggle Nash Ranch Colorado, it is in Park County, just south of Teller county, it is a big place, over 40,000 acres at one time, is an LLC now. I don't know anything about it really.

Dave had a big explanatory post about it- believe various people have access to it (leases?) and some speculated (?) that PF was using it for storage or grazing or had used it before so was familiar with it.

 

[Warwick7]

It appears likely that PF visited RS on Thanksgiving evening, late. I think he spilled at least some of the story then. I don't think he told RS the truth - that he killed KB, but I think he may very well have told RS that KB was gone and it looked bad and LE was almost certainly going to come after him. RS would have taken his 'son' under his wing and started helping him review his actions to come up with a solid alibi.

He might even have sold RS a story about KB killing herself in front of him and Baby K to set him up and he (PF) panicking, touching things, worrying he would be 'railroaded' by LE. Or he could have told RS that KB threatened herself with her gun (allegedly again), he tried to stop her, the gun went off and killed her, and he panicked.

I get all of this. This sounds very plausible.
But the body is gone. How does PF explain that kb shot herself but the body is gone?

 

[MsBetsy]

could have left the baby strapped in her carrier but I cannot imagine her NOT crying if she heard her mother in distress and I am amazed if she did not miss her mother after she was gone, IMO. Any pictures of baby K ever with KK or RS? Babies do not always like to be carried around by strangers and baby K was over a yr old.

I doubt Kelsey would have had a chance to cry out if she was taken by surprise. Babies that age don't really comprehend what's going on around them, and are easy to distract. Maybe she did fuss and cry while he was there, cleaning himself up or whatever he was doing, and he kept going to the back room to comfort her. Maybe that's one reason why he was there for two hours. If we are to assume he was there between 1:30 and 3:30, approximately. Imo