CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[ab01]

I love the follow up answers by RS in the warrant

Paraphrasing only

LE why do you feel this way, care to elaborate

RS nah I’m good

In other words nah I don’t won’t to get caught in a lie I can’t latter back my way out of.

Replied to add

I suppose if RS had answered bc that’s what PF told me to say, it probably wouldn’t have accomplished what he was trying to get LE to believe.....lol

Of course they didn’t buy it anyways imo

 

[BOSCOE]

Just want to say I am truly dismayed KK got any deal. She is as twisted and evil as PF as far as I'm concerned.

I also hope the Father of her children files for sole custody as they certainly do not need to be raised by the likes of her.

JMHO

 

[ilovechili]

I love the follow up answers by RS in the warrant

Paraphrasing only

LE why do you feel this way, care to elaborate

RS nah I’m good

In other words nah I don’t won’t to get caught in a lie I can’t latter back my way out of.

He may have just a tad more sense than CC. He has not been doing interviews to my knowledge...

However, having PF to his property night after night (the way it looks) and being seen with him and picking up the package was probably not so wise... Makes him look like simply yet another with knowledge and/or involvement... The bank? That one was brilliant...

 

[ilovechili]

Just want to say I am truly dismayed KK got any deal. She is as twisted and evil as PF as far as I'm concerned.

I also hope the Father of her children files for sole custody as they certainly do not need to be raised by the likes of her.

JMHO

Yes, she hurt a lot of innocent victims including her own children. And one day they will probably realize she could have saved this woman's life. Her ex already knows that and hopefully that is enough for him (along with hearing all of the rest of it) to finally distance himself from her.

Sadly, I doubt a court would terminate her rights but they could certain limit her involvement. If I were him I would take those kids and move and ask the court for the right to do so.

 

[SandyQLS]

I imagine the two days KB was in the tote bacteria was setting in and she had started to bloat and ooze decomposition fluids, I think that smell was all around that tote. Apology : a little graphic but that is what happens to a deceased body.
Add : you can be 25 yards downwind from a dead cow that has only been dead 12 hours and the stench will make you want to puke. And it takes a few hours to get that smell out of your nostrils. I am speaking of a cow that has died during a hard delivery of a calf , there is very little blood , not the body beat to a pulp like KB may have been. It stinks like nothing you ever want to smell.

This^ is a very good post. I checked the temps in the area 11/22-24 and while it was cool enough at night, the day temps were pretty warm. This point about the smell after 2 days of a body stored in a plastic tote in a barn is one of the reasons I don't believe KK's story about burning the body at the F ranchette. To get there, they would have to drive the smelly, decomposing body at least through the town of Florissant, on a Saturday afternoon/evening! The other route has them also passing through CC and Divide. Small places yes, but there are cars, cops, stop lights - too risky with that smell.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Like many battered women, she lied for him, would be my guess.

Or didn't even recognize she was being abused, or she was too afraid of PF to even whisper,or hint that he's mean,or abusive. That could make things so much worse for her.
Trust me.

 

[ab01]

He may have just a tad more sense than CC. He has not been doing interviews to my knowledge...

However, having PF to his property night after night (the way it looks) and being seen with him and picking up the package was probably not so wise... Makes him look like simply yet another with knowledge and/or involvement... The bank? That one was brilliant...

Yep it definitely doesn’t look good at all. The only reason at all that I will reserve judgment, other than bc of course he hasn’t been named a poi. Is bc I do believe pf has lied to everyone close to him so much and for his entire life that I still can entertain a theory where those people just couldn’t see the true pf.

If those people were lied to and used, I would think they would be as mad as anybody at PF!

It’s still too early for me to say without a doubt one way or the other. I’m sure we will eventually find out with a bit more certainty.

We have to keep in mind that PF was painting a picture of KB for over a yr to anybody and everyone he came in contact with moo

Nothing pf said or did would surprise me at this point moo

 

[ilovechili]

This^ is a very good post. I checked the temps in the area 11/22-24 and while it was cool enough at night, the day temps were pretty warm. This point about the smell after 2 days of a body stored in a plastic tote in a barn is one of the reasons I don't believe KK's story about burning the body at the F ranchette. To get there, they would have to drive the smelly, decomposing body at least through the town of Florissant, on a Saturday afternoon/evening! The other route has them also passing through CC and Divide. Small places yes, but there are cars, cops, stop lights - too risky with that smell.

The body and what was done with it and when is my biggest sticking point probably.

Jumping off of that point, how many days is the landfill search in now, does anyone know offhand? Are they still at it I assume?

 

[ilovechili]

Yep it definitely doesn’t look good at all. The only reason at all that I will reserve judgment, other than bc of course he hasn’t been named a poi. Is bc I do believe pf has lied to everyone close to him so much and for his entire life that I still can entertain a theory where those people just couldn’t see the true pf.

If those people were lied to and used, I would think they would be as mad as anybody at PF!

It’s still too early for me to say without a doubt one way or the other. I’m sure we will eventually find out with a bit more certainty.

We have to keep in mind that PF was painting a picture of KB for over a yr to anybody and everyone he came in contact with moo

Nothing pf said or did would surprise me at this point moo

I can see it may be due to loyalty and an inability to see through PF although most people start getting a clue about someone at some point. One has to remember RS knew PF for 35 years so if he has always been a chronic liar, one would think you would pick up on that at some point.

I even speculate that this older man is where PF learned some of his attitudes and ways, difficult to know. Just speculation however.

Yes, most PF supporters have the same story he spoon fed them. I am sure LE is very used to it by now.

I have no understanding nor much forgiveness unless these people are now waking up as the facts come out and no longer believe quite as firmly as they did.

This man is a bit different than like CC however. PF was at his property on quite a few of the relevant dates. It smells. That is not proof but it smells...

But that's just my opinion...

 

[ab01]

Is there any chance that LE could have went out to RS property and asked to search without a warrant?

If RS gave them permission and they didn’t find anything, would it still show up on an search warrant?

 

[Ccging]

The body and what was done with it and when is my biggest sticking point probably.

Jumping off of that point, how many days is the landfill search in now, does anyone know offhand? Are they still at it I assume?

They have been searching a few weeks, I believe they are still searching. I’m hopeful newer trash is on top and being removed first so hopefully they will hit the area where the dates in question’s trash may be to find something soon.

praying they find something.

 

[ilovechili]

Is there any chance that LE could have went out to RS property and asked to search without a warrant?

If RS gave them permission and they didn’t find anything, would it still show up on an search warrant?

I have wondered if it is one of the missing warrants with no returns. I suppose they would need enough cause though as well and would what he had done and PF being there be enough? No idea.

So much time was lost in this case. That is not a knock at LE, just a fact. PF's lies to CB and the fact they did not live nearby added in as well I suppose. There was just so much time to destroy evidence and do more. Not that they did it perfectly but still much is gone. And to date, no KB.

 

[sun16]

A few random thoughts ... Even if PF thought he knew what he was doing when killing KB (eg thought it wouldn’t be overly messy/bloody), there would be no way to completely ensure that. I would think he had to have been a mess and cleaned himself up during those two hours inside KB’s condo. Well enough that he could then show up for thanksgiving dinner at his families and not have missed spatter on himself somewhere.

I’m also wondering ... perhaps he did have an issue the night before thanksgiving with his cattle or his stomach. But do you guys suspect this ‘till 4am’ thing could have been him thinking about killing KB that night before thanksgiving instead, or at least trying to wear KB down and make her tired? But then he decided to wait until thanksgiving?

 

[ilovechili]

They have been searching a few weeks, I believe they are still searching. I’m hopeful newer trash is on top and being removed first so hopefully they will hit the area where the dates in question’s trash may be to find something soon.

praying they find something.

Me too. I would guess it would be a slow, careful, methodical laborious process. I wonder if they do find anything if we would necessarily hear it.

 

[sun16]

Exactly. He obviously thought electronic data tracking was limited to who contacted whom. Neither he nor KK seem aware of the capability of LE tracking pings.
JMO

ETA of

See what you are saying, but how can they NOT know? Not everything, but geez. Maybe they didn’t care or thought they covered up other stuff enough.

 

[sun16]

Or didn't even recognize she was being abused, or she was too afraid of PF to even whisper,or hint that he's mean,or abusive. That could make things so much worse for her.
Trust me.

Completely agree. And sometimes I think people dismiss a lot of non physical abuse, telling themselves it’s not that bad. When in fact the emotional abuse can wear you down just as much.

 

[Julia966]

See what you are saying, but how can they NOT know? Not everything, but geez. Maybe they didn’t care or thought they covered up other stuff enough.

If they thought about it at all, my guess is that they figured the phone data would only show that they were in contact with each other and that she came to CO a couple of times. Which is all it does show, and if KK had kept her mouth shut, I don't know that LE would know what to make of it. They might have suspicions, but I don't believe there is any evidence besides KK's testimony about what actually happened. There's surveillance footage that shows PF was lying/wrong about his whereabouts at certain times, but that's still not enough to convict.

 

[sun16]

I love the follow up answers by RS in the warrant

Paraphrasing only

LE why do you feel this way, care to elaborate

RS nah I’m good

In other words nah I don’t won’t to get caught in a lie I can’t latter back my way out of.

I know we can’t do names. Been away several days and have not read warrant link yet, sorry. Is RS a supposed contact or friend of ...PF, KK, both, or someone else?

 

[Ccging]

Me too. I would guess it would be a slow, careful, methodical laborious process. I wonder if they do find anything if we would necessarily hear it.

I would hope so, but IMO it will be delayed info, I think whatever they find they will try to match up with KK’s story before making the info public. Just a guess, I could be wrong.

 

[ajaylee]

Is there any chance that LE could have went out to RS property and asked to search without a warrant?

If RS gave them permission and they didn’t find anything, would it still show up on an search warrant?

That's a good point.

We don't know what LE knows. It's quite possible LE has tried to interview RS and RS, like SF, has refused to talk. That doesn't mean LE is done with him and I think they can do a bit of investigating without a new warrant. They've examined camera footage (that they had access to) to check on KB's and the PF's movements. I wouldn't be surprised if they're going back over the same footage (bank, furniture store) looking for RS's vehicle. They're probably also paying attention to any phone communication (texts, calls) between PF and RS using PF's records.

IIRC, very early on we had hints that at least one other person besides PF was involved. LE went so far as to keep the arrest affidavit under wraps, a highly unusual move. Again, IIRC, there were hints that other witnesses might be involved and there were concerns about evidence being destroyed.

When KK entered the picture, that seemed to be the missing link: she participated, tampered with evidence. It may be that LE knew about or suspected RS but didn't want to tip their hand by calling him in. They released camera footage and as the coverage unfolded, it seemed odd that the 'mystery man' who picked up the package didn't come forward and identify himself, especially in such a small community and if he had nothing to hide.

RS won't flee and it doesn't appear that there's much evidence outstanding that he could tamper with or destroy. I think LE and the DA are keeping a closer watch on this guy than he knows, without feeling the need to call him in before trial.