CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[lindaromas]

When KB went to pick up the antacid for PF are there any record of him making calls/texts during that time to KK?

 

[?mysterian?]

Wasn't the "exchange" about an hour earlier, then he went to Wal-Mart and came back?
Do we know when she texted him about getting the pecans if he wanted them? Was it earlier in the morning or when he was at Wal-Mart?

KB texted PF about the pecans at 12:41 on 11/22, per search warrant 18-111 page 25.

 

[ilovechili]

Yes, I think they may have been mentioned in two separate places, but I can never remember which document!

If they were mentioned in two separate places, then I really am not reading thoroughly lol. I have the same problem remembering which doc. There are so many in this case.

 

[ilovechili]

KB texted PF about the pecans at 12:41 on 11/22, per search warrant 18-111 page 25.

Thank you.

 

[LietKynes]

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One wonders how close PF was -- and is --with his mother.
Like, was he paying her rent and lived with her, but independently, where he made his own choices ?

Or did she support him, and if she told him to "jump" -- he asked "how high" ??
Some adult children are like that with their parents ... strange. Yet it happens.
But what if you've grown up like that, and it's all you know ?

Curious as well if Kelsey had tried to get him to move out and be an independent thinker ?

We'll probably never know ; still , it'd be helpful to understand how relationships factored into Kelsey's eventual murder.
If that was a factor at all ?

The fact that PF and SF were headed somewhere in separate vehicles the day of his arrest might indicate a close or controlling relationship.

What do the rest of you think ?

 

[?mysterian?]

Thank you.

You're welcome!

 

[Trocroc9]

In reference to the casserole, iirc it was sweet potato. Iirc Kelsey made a comment to pf? About pecans for casserole.

That dish to me would be a dish I would make to take to a thanksgiving dinner as a side dish. With pf & brother having a strained relationship I could see him not knowing, but with Kelsey making a “side” dish makes me think she was thinking she was going to sf’s for dinner. After saying this I now believe this shopping trip Kelsey went on was to get her out of the condo.

Hmmm I really like where you are going with the idea that he had to get her out of the house. What if it was so somebody could get in while she was gone?? He takes baby so she isn’t around for the murder. Goes to Wally World comes back and deed is done. He tries to clean up but is way too messy for him. Just thinking out loud. Actually makes more sense to me than the smelling candles nonsense. MOO

 

[?mysterian?]

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One wonders how close PF was -- and is --with his mother.
Like, was he paying her rent and lived with her, but independently, where he made his own choices ?

Or did she support him, and if she told him to "jump" -- he asked "how high" ??
Some adult children are like that with their parents ... strange. Yet it happens.
But what if you've grown up like that, and it's all you know ?

Curious as well if Kelsey had tried to get him to move out and be an independent thinker ?

We'll probably never know ; still , it'd be helpful to understand how relationships factored into Kelsey's eventual murder.
If that was a factor at all ?

The fact that PF and SF were headed somewhere in separate vehicles the day of his arrest might indicate a close or controlling relationship.

What do the rest of you think ?

While I am intensely curious about PF's family and how much they might know, or what they might know, I'm going to not discuss it here because I'm trying to stay out of trouble.. I can hardly wait until this changes.

 

[Seattle1]

Rehab implies recovery from drugs and alcohol. I don't know about the rest of the country, but I have never heard of any type of behavioral health service for mental disorders called a rehab. I can understand why it would be, it's just not that common unless drugs and alcohol are involved. Imo

Edited to add, I believe PF intentionally called it "Rehab" to mislead investigators and as a result, the general public. Imo

I agree. PF used "Rehab" to promote the Hollywood definition, -- overindulgence by choice. Nobody chooses depression. MOO

 

[Mom24]

Wait, do we know if she has a BSN, or an Associate Degree?

I do know she has a BSN. I'm still searching. Back when MSM misprinted about the mixup between two nurses (one in CO and one in ID) with the same name, I looked all the info up and posted it, but it was deleted for sleuthing a non POI. I'll see if I can find the info again, but I do remember that KK had gotten her BSN, but I can't remember from where.

 

[ilovechili]

^^^ That's interesting !

One wonders how close PF was -- and is --with his mother.
Like, was he paying her rent and lived with her, but independently, where he made his own choices ?

Or did she support him, and if she told him to "jump" -- he asked "how high" ??
Some adult children are like that with their parents ... strange. Yet it happens.
But what if you've grown up like that, and it's all you know ?

Curious as well if Kelsey had tried to get him to move out and be an independent thinker ?

We'll probably never know ; still , it'd be helpful to understand how relationships factored into Kelsey's eventual murder.
If that was a factor at all ?

The fact that PF and SF were headed somewhere in separate vehicles the day of his arrest might indicate a close or controlling relationship.

What do the rest of you think ?

I think ma had the power, he lived in her house. Whether rent is paid or not, that is her house. I doubt rent was paid but he was still probably expected to jump. PF has never been independent (in the ways that matter, having sex with women is no indication of adulthood) imo and ma has never let go and neither has matured to an adult mother/son relationship.

Just my speculation and opinion.

 

[?mysterian?]

I do know she has a BSN. I'm still searching. Back when MSM misprinted about the mixup between two nurses (one in CO and one in ID) with the same name, I looked all the info up and posted it, but it was deleted for sleuthing a non POI. I'll see if I can find the info again, but I do remember that KK had gotten her BSN, but I can't remember from where.

Thanks.

Now, I'm actually shocked that she stuck that out, earned a BSN, got her RN license, and then threw it away for PF.

 

[ajaylee]

Hmmm I really like where you are going with the idea that he had to get her out of the house. What if it was so somebody could get in while she was gone?? He takes baby so she isn’t around for the murder. Goes to Wally World comes back and deed is done. He tries to clean up but is way too messy for him. Just thinking out loud. Actually makes more sense to me than the smelling candles nonsense. MOO

I've tried to make out the timeline the afternoon of Thanksgiving day. It seems to me that he spent at least a couple hours there. That is at odds with my image of him coming in, getting down to business (ie, the 'candle game'), and killing KB.

It just doesn't seem to me that it should have taken a couple hours, and we know that he didn't really do any cleanup.

I would really like to know what PF told RS, because it seems obvious that he convinced RS almost immediately that he was going to be 'railroaded'. He and RS were at the bank establishing a 'timeline' and RS was keeping PF out of sight of the condo cameras at a time when no one officially knew KB was missing.

The business with the package pickup was really bizarre. CB is concerned because she can't contact KB. PF officially knows nothing. CB has asked PF to pick up the package. He is with RS. Why on earth would RS think PF needed to avoid any cameras at PF's fiancee's house when both PF and RS are there to pick up a package at the request of KB's mother?

 

[ilovechili]

Thanks.

Now, I'm actually shocked that she stuck that out, earned a BSN, got her RN license, and then threw it away for PF.

No kidding. What is wrong with her? She made good money then too. I have no sympathy whatsoever for her but she clearly needs to be diagnosed--there is something really wrong with her. I guess just because one can make good judgment calls maybe in a job does not mean they can in life... Wow.

 

[skycountry]

By the end of the Dateline program I liked CC even less than I did before it started, and that's saying A LOT! He's a creepy little hanger on nervously talking and lying through his teeth. IMO

Not sure why CC is retelling PF's lies on national TV, BIG mistake.

PF's actions on the day of baby K's birth gave DHS enough evidence to open a case against HIM. Sure we only have CB's repeating it, but a few of the nurses may be asked to testify, their testimony is not going to be third party, neither is the case number with all the information in it.

Curious if PF is gutsy enough to take this to trial, knowing the real him will be exposed.

 

[Warwick7]

I have no need or desire to feel sympathy towards CC. He is responsible for his actions and words against an innocent young mother who was murdered in cold blood. In my book he is not different than any of the other cast of malignant misfits in this unbelievable murder plot.

MOO but there's also the thought process of the fact that Cc or any one of his relatives could be deeper in this than we think. Maybe he's trying to cover his backside also

 

[MsBetsy]

If they were mentioned in two separate places, then I really am not reading thoroughly lol. I have the same problem remembering which doc. There are so many in this case.

I think I read about the sweet potato casserole in one place, and then later saw the text about the pecans in a different place. So it's easy to miss a few details here and there. Imo

 

[ilovechili]

I've tried to make out the timeline the afternoon of Thanksgiving day. It seems to me that he spent at least a couple hours there. That is at odds with my image of him coming in, getting down to business (ie, the 'candle game'), and killing KB.

It just doesn't seem to me that it should have taken a couple hours, and we know that he didn't really do any cleanup.

I would really like to know what PF told RS, because it seems obvious that he convinced RS almost immediately that he was going to be 'railroaded'. He and RS were at the bank establishing a 'timeline' and RS was keeping PF out of sight of the condo cameras at a time when no one officially knew KB was missing.

The business with the package pickup was really bizarre. CB is concerned because she can't contact KB. PF officially knows nothing. CB has asked PF to pick up the package. He is with RS. Why on earth would RS think PF needed to avoid any cameras at PF's fiancee's house when both PF and RS are there to pick up a package at the request of KB's mother?

Great questions.

We do not know that they relate to the murder scene but the mop and bleach at ma's bother me. Do we truly know PF attempted no clean-up? He still had time and more than a day before KK could allegedly get there. Or did KK borrow a mop and bleach from ma?

The package bothers me as well. There was no reason at that time to avoid the home by PF. Yet they again are seen on the bank camera, this time with RS I would assume when doing their trip to the bank, no avoidance of that. Yet they avoid him picking up the package.

He had a reason, CB had asked him to pick up the package. Maybe she wanted him to bring it in or show he still had keys? Maybe he worried it was a set-up of some type? I would have to guess if one has committed a murder and has any common sense there has to be a bit of paranoia...

Just thoughts...

 

[skycountry]

I've tried to make out the timeline the afternoon of Thanksgiving day. It seems to me that he spent at least a couple hours there. That is at odds with my image of him coming in, getting down to business (ie, the 'candle game'), and killing KB.

It just doesn't seem to me that it should have taken a couple hours, and we know that he didn't really do any cleanup.

I would really like to know what PF told RS, because it seems obvious that he convinced RS almost immediately that he was going to be 'railroaded'. He and RS were at the bank establishing a 'timeline' and RS was keeping PF out of sight of the condo cameras at a time when no one officially knew KB was missing.

The business with the package pickup was really bizarre. CB is concerned because she can't contact KB. PF officially knows nothing. CB has asked PF to pick up the package. He is with RS. Why on earth would RS think PF needed to avoid any cameras at PF's fiancee's house when both PF and RS are there to pick up a package at the request of KB's mother?

More important is why did RS want PF not to be seen on camera if they THOUGHT she had run off. No one knew at that time KB was dead, but they knew, both of them did. I think that is what PF's phone info was indicating late on the night of 11/22 with PF's phone showing up at RS location.

 

[Seattle1]

I've tried to make out the timeline the afternoon of Thanksgiving day. It seems to me that he spent at least a couple hours there. That is at odds with my image of him coming in, getting down to business (ie, the 'candle game'), and killing KB.

It just doesn't seem to me that it should have taken a couple hours, and we know that he didn't really do any cleanup.

I would really like to know what PF told RS, because it seems obvious that he convinced RS almost immediately that he was going to be 'railroaded'. He and RS were at the bank establishing a 'timeline' and RS was keeping PF out of sight of the condo cameras at a time when no one officially knew KB was missing.

The business with the package pickup was really bizarre. CB is concerned because she can't contact KB. PF officially knows nothing. CB has asked PF to pick up the package. He is with RS. Why on earth would RS think PF needed to avoid any cameras at PF's fiancee's house when both PF and RS are there to pick up a package at the request of KB's mother?

I believe the Warrant indicates RS picked up the package on 12/3 or 12/4 -- which was just after CB reported KB missing to WPPD.

(PF previously told CB he'd have to do it later since he was in Westcliffe when she first made request to collect package on KB doorstep). MOO

ETA: Confirming RS picked up package 12/3 at 0801 hours per Warrant A, pg 12.