CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[AnnaGrace]

Concerning the hay bale, I think we're forgetting that it wasn't KK who said the bale was discolored. IIRC, it was one of the detectives, maybe Slagle, who said it. He also said when the scent dog was placed up on the stacked bales, that it hit on that particular bale and it also hit on a spot on the ground in front of the stack. If the black tote wasn't leaking, it may have had blood or fluids on the bottom from being set inside KB's apartment. It also hit on a spot near the driver side back bumper of her car in KB's parking space. I feel sure that hay bale has been or is being tested. Jmo

 

[ajaylee]

Okay, I'm prepared to get bombarded by the crowd j/k but I think it's possible that PF handed Baby K off to someone after he left KB's townhome the first time. I know KK said PF said she was there in her playpen in the back bedroom, and I know we have surveillance footage of him with the baby carrier <remember him and RS went back to make sure that PF was spotted at some point on his Walmart run with baby K> maybe it was just an empty carrier with a toy or doll in it.

Baby K could have well been at MommaF's ranchette that afternoon taken there by a caring fatherly type figure or picked up by someone else. Something about PF standing there in the middle of Walmart wanting to be seen by the CCTV with the car seat sends my hinky meter into the red zone.

If PF sent Baby K off to MommaF's and went back to KB's townhome to a napping or sleeping KB I can see how he could sneak right back in quietly and bludgeon her. I can see how he would then have spent a couple hours there in peace without worrying about baby K. It would have made cleaning up, removing KB from the townhome and transporting her to Nash ranch or wherever he put her much easier. Just think if you were trying to pull this off with a cranky, hungry, wet and tired 1 year old???

Call me crazy, but this is what I believe could have very well happened. I think it could have been one of 3 people in my mind.

All just my speculation.

I have problems with the idea of PF in the condo with Baby K for two hours. It's hard for me to imagine he spent much time on 'warming up' to the deed - I suspect he got down to it pretty quickly. If KK is to be believed, he didn't spend much time cleaning up. So what exactly did he do for two hours, allegedly alone in the condo with Baby K and KB's dead body? I don't recall any phone calls during this time, either.

 

[ilovechili]

Population 1,175, according to Wikipedia. Wow.

Friends and toadies would not be seated on the jury; the prosecuting attorneys will see to that. MOO

The prosecution is not the only side getting strikes and choices. Both sides will run out of strikes and they need to be used wisely, no doubt. However, generally if you know someone you are excused by the judge anyhow, depending on who you know and how well, no strike needs to be used. I have seen though where it is only asked if you know the defendant or victim and never have to say if you know any of his family, etc. I think the point is there are many with the same mindset, old school, one of our own, don't believe it, she was not from here... Whether they know anyone or not...

I seriously doubt, no offense, that the prosecution has more strikes and ability to seat people on the jury than the defense. I keep hearing people say oh they will be sure the jury is comprised of this or that, but I do not understand that. They both have those chances.

The prosecution needs 12 to agree. The defense needs 12 to acquit. Both are high bars. But the defense only needs one to have it retried and start all over again...

Just my opinion and meant with the utmost respect.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Does anyone know the duration of PF's call to SF on 11/22 from KB's?

IIRC both of his call to SF and KK were short around 2-3 minutes

 

[girlhasnoname]

I have problems with the idea of PF in the condo with Baby K for two hours. It's hard for me to imagine he spent much time on 'warming up' to the deed - I suspect he got down to it pretty quickly. If KK is to be believed, he didn't spend much time cleaning up. So what exactly did he do for two hours, allegedly alone in the condo with Baby K and KB's dead body? I don't recall any phone calls during this time, either.

He did make short calls to SF and KK IIRC

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Totally agree. Also, seems awfully coincidental that KK told LE that she found out about KB through a mutual friend of PF around August and the “solicitation” plans starting around September. MOO

So, are you thinking maybe KKL stated something to PF, when she found out about KB & Baby K, such as “if you really care for me, KB has got to go away for good.”? I’m still stuck on whether there really were any feelings toward KKL on PF’s part or was she just a booty call/friend-with-benefits who just happens to be as evil and hateful as him. Also I am not sure I believe that KKL just learned about KB & Baby K. Surely she kept up with the latest gossip thru the rodeo circuit, or I would think so.

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

Agent Slater testified that when KK took them to the barn, they found the tractor, and a bale of discolored hay that KK described to them. I also understand that it was KK's explanation that the hay was discolored because it's where she said the tote box was placed.

I'm having doubts that the tote caused the discoloration for a couple of reasons. First, there's no mention that Investigators took the bale as evidence or for forensic testing. Second, "discolored hay" is a very common term known to ranchers/farmers, and mold or dry matter loss not a good thing!

When spotted, a bad (discolored) bale is typically pulled aside from the stack. I'm more inclined to believe that PF simply placed the tote on top of a discolored bale previously pulled aside. MOO

Thank you for that explanation! I had been wondering if there was a reason not related to the tote for why the hay was discolored. However, having no familiarity with farms, ranches, or hay, I was clueless. Again, the way articles are worded (not precisely) they end up creating inaccurate implications and false scenarios. Between the tote going from "box" to "bag," (presumably one not of waterproof material and with sewn seams) and then the "tote bag" leaving the hay "discolored," it was easy to imagine a bag leaking blood / body fluids onto the hay bale for two days.
MOO.

 

[lindaromas]

I wonder if it has been established where KK stayed at night while in Colorado? At the Franch? At a motel? I suspect she stayed at the ranch.
Also, how could she see any discoloration on the hay if the tote was placed so high up PF had to use a loader to place it up there? Maybe they used the ladder to get the tote down and she saw discolored hay then? If the tote was leaking, the truck bed was likely tested. As others have stated, discolored hay might only mean it was on the "bad hay" stack the tote was placed.
That KK could get her happy meal at Sonic after cleaning up the crime scene points to her own level of depravity.
Only my musings, MOO and etc..

If I remember correctly, the dogs hit on the top hay and a spot on the ground near the hay, where he placed the tote before backing his truck to it.

 

[yawningreyhound]

Do we know where and when KK purchased her crime scene cleaning gear?

As I recall, KK had been "painting" in Idaho and brought the gear with her. That said, at the hospital, KK would have access to most of that stuff, too. I was only in a vet clinic, and we had everything she brought with her except the fullon haz mat white suit. We even had mops we could clean the walls with to prevent the dreaded MRSA from taking hold anywhere. I guess the hazmat suit COULD be a painter's coverup from a home store. I would think hospitals would provide fullon coverups for employees dealing with tainted bodily fluids or the morgue?

 

[ilovechili]

To be fair, though: Does she ever look attractive?

Rhetorical question.

I am not the type to knock appearance ever but I throw that a bit out the window on occasion when someone is involved with murder, clean-up, etc. and could have saved a life instead of helping plot their murder.

My mama who was a white as white blonde as a little girl always told me there is no such thing as a true blonde past the age of like 18 or so unless bleach is involved. To me, it does not matter what photos are shown of KK, nowadays or back when, she looks dated. The first pics I saw of her I thought of the 70s and blue eyeshadow and thin eyebrows and yet I know she is not that old. The more current pictures yes she went in before court to have her hair done, some highlights, still bleached, very unnatural to me and possibly extensions.

KB was the beauty inside and out from what I can see. Most women can tell she got her hair done professionally as well but it is natural looking and flat out gorgeous.

But some types like to keep their little respectable good girl (per CC) woman at home while cheating with a ribald bleach blonde dated cowgirl.

I await being attacked for saying this. And I mean no offense to any blonde. I myself have lightened far past what my natural color is. The offense is meant at this poor excuse for a woman, KK.

 

[ab01]

I have problems with the idea of PF in the condo with Baby K for two hours. It's hard for me to imagine he spent much time on 'warming up' to the deed - I suspect he got down to it pretty quickly. If KK is to be believed, he didn't spend much time cleaning up. So what exactly did he do for two hours, allegedly alone in the condo with Baby K and KB's dead body? I don't recall any phone calls during this time, either.

I’m sure whatever happened inside that apartment In That 2 hr time frame was related to kB death.

Pf was there with kB and he left with KB’s phone.

She was dead when he left that day

 

[Kapua]

If the tote was leaking or had discoloration I would trust they took it for forensics for sure. It is interesting to me if she was never on top of the stack that her recall would be that good of which bale, etc. Was one on top of the stack and the other on the tractor? And at some point a ladder was mentioned...

She removes herself from so many things... Pretty much anything she knows that can only be he said/she said without proof... She never saw the body, she never helped get the tote down. He dumped the gas and such in. Etc., etc.

IMHO, the most important thing about the hay bale is that the cadaver dog hit on it. Posters above who are more "country" than I had some enlightening thoughts as to why it might have been discolored. And perhaps PF chose that bale to support his tote so that he could readily locate it when he removed it. MOO

 

[skycountry]

It could have been written for this case...

There is another Blue Grass song Cripple Creek. "Going up to Cripple Creek going in whirl, going up to Cripple Creek to see my girl". It is a catchy tune too! From the old mining days there.

 

[Inthedetails]

Although it was reported that MG was moving and asked to borrow KK's truck - leaving her the black VW to drive to Colorado, KK also rented a vehicle for prior trip. I believe KK transportation choices were intentionally planned to "cloud" her activities. MOO

Absolutely.
jmo

 

[Mimi in London]

RSBM

So what exactly did he do for two hours, allegedly alone in the condo with Baby K and KB's dead body? I don't recall any phone calls during this time, either.

Scoffing cinnamon rolls. Poking through her stuff.
IMO

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

Sometimes exposure to sunlight discolors hay bales, sometimes exposure to moisture(rain, stored under a hole in the roof) does. It's hard to say without seeing the discoloration, and smelling the hay (mold has distinctive smell) to figure out why it's discolored.

It's interesting that she was able to point it out though.

Maybe the tote was leaking?

BBM
That could be. Maybe PF used one with a crack, or maybe damaged it with the tractor he used to place it on top of the hay. But, as previously mentioned, one would think the discolored hay would have been listed in the search warrant.

 

[?mysterian?]

Friends and toadies would not be seated on the jury; the prosecuting attorneys will see to that. MOO

It'd be great if you're right. We'll have to wait and see, that's a long time off, IMO.

 

[ilovechili]

I am not clear on why the nurse used her friend's car for the Thanksgiving trip to Colorado. Was she really using it to cloud her activities since it was risky driving without current registration? And she parked down the street to do the cleaning. She had a day or two to get her pickup back. And all the lies she told to her friends and the friend she borrowed the car from. Quite a secret mission. I don't think she revealed the reason she could not come down immediately, maybe had to be on the job, but had the weekend off.

The College of Southern Idaho (where the nurse got her schooling) also has a class on Horse Shoeing Basics (EQUS 231), and I believe PF and the nurse went to college together for a time.

Yes, we are supposed to believe all of these perfect answers. On the very same date she needed to go clean up a murder scene her friend needed her truck to move due to a family situation. She just also happened to have a gun in the vehicle. Wow, again, how fortunate...

I mean there are so many things and some believe them as fact?

The expired plates? I have a theory about that and like PF on camera at Walmart it was wanting to be noticed possibly at a certain time and place only. It is called creating an alibi.

jmho.

 

[Kapua]

There is another Blue Grass song Cripple Creek. "Going up to Cripple Creek going in whirl, going up to Cripple Creek to see my girl". It is a catchy tune too! From the old mining days there.

I find it intriguing that such a small, country town has two signature songs. I wonder if it has enough hotel rooms for all of the media who will swarm down for the trial, if, indeed, they are going to try it there. (I'm betting that they won't, but who knows?) MOO

 

[skycountry]

IIRC both of his call to SF and KK were short around 2-3 minutes

Thanks, so not a short, "Mom, I am heading home, Kelsey isn't coming, see you in a bit." I wonder if he was sharing with SF, and KK how it went down. Him calling KK and saying, "you need to get down here, you have a mess to clean up." Would not been a very long call either. all jmo