CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #5

[gngr~snap]

That phone could by anywhere between Colorado and Idaho.

They ain’t ever finding it.

That depends on what phone it is and how old.
An I phone was found in a river in Ireland and they charged it up and boom. Caught the suspect!

Sorry TWO PHONES!
September 2013 – more than a year after O’Hara had gone missing – a dog-walker discovered her bodyat Kilakee in the Dublin mountains. Two days later, her bags and mobile phones were found at a reservoir in Roundwood in nearby Co Wicklow where Dwyer had dumped them.
Irish sadomasochist given life sentence for murder of 'sex slave'

 

[Steelslady]

Oh, also, I was surprised to see comments by people that LE took their time and why didn't they immediately administer polygraphs and interview PF?

I don't think they wasted one moment of time and you can't force someone to answer questions or undergo a polygraph.

I'm pretty certain LE was trying to get info from PF since day one.

Great post, and I agree. I don't think LE has taken this with a grain of salt. People have to remember, they had an awful lot to sort out first. They had to talk to family and friends, her boss (I would imagine they talked to him or her?). We also can't forget that she wasn't reported missing until Dec. 2nd- that put LE in a tough spot- a lot of time went by from when she was last heard from- the text to her work and her fiance. We don't even know if she sent those texts herself from Idaho or wherever they pinged from.

Has LE ever stated that the texts were from the Idaho area, or were they locally done? I missed a thread here because of work, so I am wondering if this was ever established.

Personally, I think LE has done a fantastic job. They haven't stopped trying to locate her, they checked her phone, have done press conferences, and now they have a warrant to check out PF's house and vehicle. Time was not on their side, in this case. JMO

 

[Jennifer17]

Well, if she had a boyfriend other than PF, or a close friend, they may know her visitation schedule with PF. Again, I really feel that the obvious is likely what happened here, but there are other possibilities too, not likely possibilities, but they are there. We assume there wasn’t another existing relationship there. It would definitely be helpful to have an idea of what the probable cause was to search today, though.

We also do not know if he had another relationship, either.

 

[Celt1997]

Also, if we want to pull focus to her Pinterest account, her Quotes board particularly is full of a lot of quotes lending to the idea that she was going through something... relationship troubles possibly. I wish the posts would date stamp when she pinned them...

The truth is that every person on this Earth has fought their own particular demons. KB most likely had her own, and her Pins may reflect her struggles. However that, in no way, means they are related to her disappearance.

 

[CrimeAddict]

That phone could by anywhere between Colorado and Idaho.

They ain’t ever finding it.

Hmm true.. I would just thinking someone used it to text in that location and then just left it there so it wouldnt be pinging.

 

[Jennifer17]

The truth is that every person on this Earth has fought their own particular demons. KB most likely had her own, and her Pins may reflect her struggles. However that, in no way, means they are related to her disappearance.

It would be very difficult to hide and alcohol or substance abuse problem as a pilot. I knew a man who was grounded because he had quite a high cholesterol reading.

 

[Oregonmama]

LE will not have a child ride in a car with a person they arrested , even if it is a family member. I have been called down numerous times to take immediate custody of children in these types of situations. PF received a courstey ride according to the earlier articles on MSM.

 

[MsBetsy]

With CW, I had all I needed from very early on. His “confession” told me that he killed them all.

I just don’t have enough here to reach that level of confidence.

If there was a crime, I am extremely confident as to who is responsible.

It’s the whole “If there was a crime” part, that I’m not 100% sold on, although I’m really close.

I just want a bit more.

Yes, in that case we got to see the behavior from the start and everything about him told us he was lying and covering up. Most people suspected him after seeing his first media interview.
In this case we have information about his behavior but haven't seen it ourselves. But what we have heard sounds very suspicious. He is reluctant to talk to investigators, he won't let the grandma see the baby, he has not shown any concern or involvement at all. That alone says something. It would be very interesting to see him do an interview. That might explain why he has been so dismissive. Imo

 

[Jennifer17]

LE will not have a child ride in a car with a person they arrested , even if it is a family member. I have been called down numerous times to take immediate custody of children in these types of situations. PF received a courstey ride according to the earlier articles on MSM.

I am not sure that anyone has suggested that he had been arrested.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Hmm true.. I would just thinking someone used it to text in that location and then just left it there so it wouldnt be pinging.

Yes someone. And a text was sent to her boss and to her fiancé. Who had an interest in making sure those texts were sent? Had to be KB or someone close!

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Sorry, yes, Pinterest.

It could be anything. All I am saying is, PF didn’t report her missing, and people are all over that.

Her mom didn’t either...that screams to me that this has happened before.

Why hasn’t custody come into this? Do we know he didn’t have full custody, and if he did, why? Maybe that’s why he has been so “protective” of the baby.

I found nothing on Instagram from Kelsey. Has it been removed?
I see 3 accounts that are missing Kelsey though.

And hashtags can and often do apply to friends and family members with addiction issues.
Moo

Yes, and hashtags also may be posted supporting a very close relative's career choice. We can't sleuth this relative on this forum, but posters can do it on their own.

 

[spaz1959]

We don't know that it was him turning over his phone that led to the search. We would have to see the probable cause affidavit for the search warrant to know what facts were enough to have the warrant granted.

Isn't it possible to have more than one cell phone?

 

[BRRI]

We also do not know if he had another relationship, either.

I’m curious as to why you keep saying that. You think someone else he was dating would harm her and he would cover for her/him? It just seems more logical that it would be someone she was with, if they went to the extent of driving a phone to Idaho...but would love to hear your theory on it

 

[CrimeAddict]

And what is sad is, that she could be too.

Right, Someone will have to say where the body is as a bargaining tool for lighter sentence perhaps life vs death.

 

[alucardsdream]

It would be very difficult to hide and alcohol or substance abuse problem as a pilot. I knew a man who was grounded because he had quite a high cholesterol reading.

Plus, the medical exam can't be done by your primary care doctor...I had to go to a doctor certified in aviation medicine. There is a list of them on the FAA website, I picked the closest one. They won't sign off on your medical certificate unless they are certain nothing is going on.

 

[Wagtales10]

I’m curious as to why you keep saying that. You think someone else he was dating would harm her and he would cover for her/him? It just seems more logical that it would be someone she was with, if they went to the extent of driving a phone to Idaho...but would love to hear your theory on it

Motive.... motive.

 

[miimaa]

I dont know much about pinterest or FB either, so it's hard to make a determination on what certain posts or "tags" mean without seeing it. Does tagging about being sober mean it could be anyone who posted it?
Either way, I don't think it's a big deal.
Didn't Kelseys aunt say those issues were in the past?

No - pinterest is like a giant bulletin board. Users 'pin' things they like or want to remember. Those 'pins' come from other people that have pinned item. The pins can be recipes, quotes, craft things, cool pics -- all kinds of stuff. They often come with quotes or comments not made by you - the pinner - but by some person 100 pins ago. I can pin something, then my sister can pin it, then a friend of hers can pin it, then a friend of the friend can pin it. Lastly - NO ONE else can pin onto my pinterest board. All the pins there I have put there.

 

[MsBetsy]

Sorry, yes, Pinterest.

It could be anything. All I am saying is, PF didn’t report her missing, and people are all over that.

Her mom didn’t either...that screams to me that this has happened before.

Why hasn’t custody come into this? Do we know he didn’t have full custody, and if he did, why? Maybe that’s why he has been so “protective” of the baby.

It sounds like there was no legal custody arrangement at all. In that case it would be left up to the parents to decide who spends time with the child and when.
But it's possible that they had discussed legal custody, and maybe one of them was planning on filing to take the other to court. Maybe they did not agree as to what the arrangements might be. So far, I don't think we have any evidence to suggest they were planning on filing or exactly what was going on.
But if custody was never established, one could not prevent the other from taking the child whenever and wherever they wanted. Imo

 

[miimaa]

Well, if she had a boyfriend other than PF, or a close friend, they may know her visitation schedule with PF. Again, I really feel that the obvious is likely what happened here, but there are other possibilities too, not likely possibilities, but they are there. We assume there wasn’t another existing relationship there. It would definitely be helpful to have an idea of what the probable cause was to search today, though.

If she did have another guy would that explain her going missing for 3 weeks? Leaving her baby? I suppose it is possible but she didn't take any personal belongings.

 

[Jennifer17]

I’m curious as to why you keep saying that. You think someone else he was dating would harm her and he would cover for her/him? It just seems more logical that it would be someone she was with, if they went to the extent of driving a phone to Idaho...but would love to hear your theory on it

Do I keep saying it? I am just throwing that in there for the reason of balance.