CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #5

[MsBetsy]

It would depend on what a person pinned. For instance if I pinned many things about chronic disease and depression then was found to have been suicidal it might be of interest to some. NOT say Kelsey Betteth pinned anything like that.

Yes, I understand that. It just sounds like we really don't have enough confirmed information to make any assumptions right now. Not that it means nothing, just that we need more information, is what I should have said.

 

[miimaa]

So many theories. We obviously know she left without a struggle and planned to be back soon with those cinnamon buns out. I picture someone picking her up spontaneously and taking her somewhere and either drugging her water or other drink in the car they offered her .... and/or taking her somewhere remote like Idaho. I hate to say all this but it just seems obvious to me at this point.

Do think that PF could have been that person?

 

[kkdj]

The Watts case went on for around 66 threads even though there was a confession and a plea. So many twists and turns. I pray for Kelseys' family and loved ones, and for that little baby. I hope she is in the care of KB's family right now and not on the floor of an interrogation room.

There has not been an arrest. I doubt she will be removed from the dad's custody at this time. On what grounds?

 

[BRRI]

Yes, if either one had someone else that they were interested in it could cause a problem. Its much better to establish custody as soon as the child is born when the parents are not married. Otherwise, one parent could try to take the child somewhere against the other parents wishes and the police cannot do anything to stop them. That's why many people carry a copy of the court order around with them. The police have to enforce the court order.
If there are issues between the parents it can get very messy. Especially if there is someone else in the picture. I wonder how much this may have played a role in whatever happened.

It seems to play a role more often than not, sadly

 

[njbchgal]

If you just step back for a moment and look at this..... she has vanished. Her purse is all that's missing with her. Didn't take her daughter to "start over". Phone pings in another state. Lets be real here those were bogus texts to pretend she was gone for awhile... to me, this was a crime of passion, and a lame coverup attempt(if you do something to someone not premeditated - oh this will be OK, oh this will work, this looks normal enough). And a defense response from the only person that last saw her, the other parent of your joint child. And nothing from his folks either - no concern from them? That screams disrespect and non concern...why??? Because someone knows something and not saying.....its just wrong. If my stepson's psycho mom went missing I would be concerned even if I can't stand her I would still show support in some way or cooperate I mean come on.... just doesn't add up at all. I have "disappeared" voluntarily from my normal routine when I was younger(impromptu road trip in college, skipped class to go to beach...), but you know what? I tell someone so if something happened to me they can reach out for help, I'd be even more cautious if I had a child that depended on me. Its obvious this has a bad ending. Better not be a tinder hookup gone wrong......hopefully they are looking at her electronic/computer history if there is one available.

 

[MsBetsy]

I believe she is his and LE has named her as such.

If his name is on the birth certificate then he is the legal father, unless someone challenges it in court and asks for a paternity test. Most likely it would be the mother who would ask for one. Some people request it just to slow down the process or make it more difficult for the other parent who is fighting for custody. Imo

 

[Seattle1]

FLORISSANT — About 75 law enforcement officials descended Friday on the Teller County home of Patrick Frazee, searching for clues in the disappearance three weeks ago of his fiancee, Kelsey Berreth of Woodland Park.

A 4th Judicial District judge issued a search warrant Thursday, and the FBI, Teller County Search and Rescue, Woodland Park police, the Teller County Sheriff’s Office and others began going through the home and surrounding property Friday morning, Woodland Park Police Chief Miles De Young said at a crowded news conference later in the day.

De Young would not elaborate on what authorities have found but said developments in the case have led investigators to believe “her disappearance is more suspicious.”
FBI descends on home of missing Woodland Park woman's fiance; police call disappearance 'suspicious'

 

[sassyblue]

Respectfully, accuracy is important here, so we strive for better than “whatever.”

You are correct, though: it was a screenshot from KB’s Pinterest account, under her board called “Quotes.” As others have mentioned- and I just tested it myself - if someone saves another person’s pin in which that first person added hashtags, those hashtags will appear on the second person’s pin unless the second pinner deletes them.

If the hashtags existed when KB discovered the pin, and KB didn’t bother to delete them, they’d appear on KB’s Pinterest. I’m not sure if there’s a way to tell which pinner added the hashtags.

You are correct!

DM, the original pinner named above Kelsey in that screenshot posted earlier by @dedpoet777 used those hashtags. The pin is in her board about being a recovering alcoholic. The board is titled Sobriety and Recovery. Kelsey simply repinned DM's pin and did not remove the hashtags.

 

[Mrs wilson]

But PF DID get the baby from her after she was at Safeway.

At her home? I guess I missed that part. Thank you

 

[kkdj]

Oh, also, I was surprised to see comments by people that LE took their time and why didn't they immediately administer polygraphs and interview PF?

I don't think they wasted one moment of time and you can't force someone to answer questions or undergo a polygraph.

I'm pretty certain LE was trying to get info from PF since day one.

Same here. Who the heck wouldn't answer any and all questions to finding a loved one? It's rather obvious he knows something (or everything) about her disappearance and doesn't want to divulge it.

 

[Snow Flower]

Ok, while trying to catch up on this thread something came to my mind. The fact that the phone pinged in Idaho means it was either her or someone who knew she came from that area. In other words, in my mind, I can rule out KB being picked up and abducted by a stranger. I will say, at first, it crossed my mind that she might have been kidnapped because she is so small. But no, she is from Idaho so either it was KB or someone who knew where she was from taking the phone there to throw off investigators. Now, maybe she dated someone else who knew where she was from or it’s PF. No stranger abduction for sure.

 

[scdiv]

It would depend on what a person pinned. For instance if I pinned many things about chronic disease and depression then was found to have been suicidal it might be of interest to some. NOT say Kelsey Betteth pinned anything like that.

The quote itself has nothing specifically to do with recovery or sobriety. It's just a positive inspiration kind of quote and she has several like it. Only the hashtags reference that, which there is a good chance she did not write those at all. If you look at other pins on her page, she has a quote pinned on her page that says "See the light in others, and treat them as if that is all you see" - and the comment under that quote is "A dark chocolate peppermint cookie dipped in white chocolate — it’s the perfect holiday cookie!"

 

[Elle*Bee]

What board is it on that you are talking about on Kelsey's pinterest page? Quotes? When I pin, the pins at the top of your boards are the most recent ones.

Yes, her Quotes board. It indicates the last activity on that particular board was one year ago. The pin in question isn’t at the top of the list. No idea how long ago she pinned it or whether the hashtags transferred from the previous pinner. I personally don’t read too much into it.

 

[JRAIG]

Do think that PF could have been that person?

Who really knows if she left without a struggle? 12 days is a lot of time to clean up after oneself.

 

[PommyMommy]

FLORISSANT — About 75 law enforcement officials descended Friday on the Teller County home of Patrick Frazee, searching for clues in the disappearance three weeks ago of his fiancee, Kelsey Berreth of Woodland Park.

A 4th Judicial District judge issued a search warrant Thursday, and the FBI, Teller County Search and Rescue, Woodland Park police, the Teller County Sheriff’s Office and others began going through the home and surrounding property Friday morning, Woodland Park Police Chief Miles De Young said at a crowded news conference later in the day.

De Young would not elaborate on what authorities have found but said developments in the case have led investigators to believe “her disappearance is more suspicious.”
FBI descends on home of missing Woodland Park woman's fiance; police call disappearance 'suspicious'

Wow. Not at this time?

"'No, not at this time,'” De Young said Frazee responded when police sought to question him.

Frazee is related to law enforcement officers in the state, including a brother who is a Colorado Springs police officer and retired Kiowa County Sheriff Forrest Frazee.

 

[PommyMommy]

Who really knows if she left without a struggle? 12 days is a lot of time to clean up after oneself.

Welcome to Websleuths, JRAIG and good point.

 

[scdiv]

Wow. Not at this time?

"'No, not at this time,'” De Young said Frazee responded when police sought to question him.

Frazee is related to law enforcement officers in the state, including a brother who is a Colorado Springs police officer and retired Kiowa County Sheriff Forrest Frazee.

That exchange was a little confusing, because I think the question was "Have you asked him? Did he say no?" and the answer was, "No, not at this time."

So I think that means that PF said no, but technically it sounds like it was answered like he didn't say no at this time? (Or is it just time for bed and I am hearing that wrong?)

 

[Gardener1850]

Its sounds like this was a recent "arrangement" if he was her fiance.


I think LE saying that PF reported last seeing Kelsey for a "custody exchange" indicated that they had split. Otherwise, I think it would have sounded like an amicable, "Kelsey gave the baby to her fiance while she went to do x..." Especially on Thanksgiving. A happily engaged couple doesn't do a "custody exchange" handoff on Thanksgiving.


Just to tell them to get off his private property!

I really want to know who said the words "custody exchange" in the first place. I suspect those are words originally uttered by PF or PF's attorney. And then used by the police. It's distancing language to make it seem like the relationship between PF and KB was not an active one*. Just like the lawyer's statements on PF's behalf that keep saying "the child he shares with Ms. Berreth" rather than saying "their daughter" or "their baby".

*And if that was the ploy, many of us fell for it early on and have been questioning the relationship status (myself included). This feels eerily familiar. MOO.

 

[katie565]

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[Deleted member 718]

where does one see someone's "status"?

It was said at the presser today.