CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #50 *ARREST*

[MemPat]

Instead, he's headin' for his last roundup.

Yee-Haw!

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Marcus Faizal? Happened right in my neighborhood. I helped search the park.

Marcus Fiesel...the reason I have to step away from this one. I made a mistake on his age; he was 3. Just a little guy. And KBs murder is just too close, just to similar, just too trusting.
IMHO

 

[ab01]

There were no fire danger alerts for the time of the supposed fire at the Franch. MOO

Colorado Emergency Management: 2018

 

[MemPat]

Keep going....don't stop now....you were saying something about dry dog food?

I need a little input from you homies!

Does kitty litter have nutritional value?

 

[GordianKnot]

A chute could deliver the daily quota of dry, tasteless food.

The toilet would only flush once automatically each day.

I'm getting meaner.

Although, backing it up now (no pun intended), I'm thinking that given the flushing once a day formula, you may want to rethink the dry dog food. An aromatic, moist Purina cat food might be a better dietary choice. And an unlimited supply of prune juice.

 

[Seattle1]

Where is the local fire department? With the high danger of wildfire in the area, everyone would always be on alert. The smell of brush fire is distinct, so it seem people would notice the smell of smoke and if PF used local materials from the ranchette they would be alarmed by that odor. They would also note the orange glow of the fire. I wonder what the fire protection resources are like there, city, state, etc.

DBM @MassGuy already covered it

ETA: Many places have open burn laws, but many ranchers and farmers tend to ignore it. Additionally many neighbors tend to look the other way (in my area anyways).....MOO

Or as easy as letting neighbors know "I'm burning tonight."

And violating the ordinance is punishable by only a small monetary fine.

http://www.co.teller.co.us/CountyOrdinances/Ordinance 17_recorded 04122012.pdf

Section 5, para 5.3

The Sheriff's Office may, in authorizing a burn under an open burning permit, require the person who will be conducting the burn to notify contiguous landowners , of the date, time and location of any burning pursuant to any open burning permit.

 

[scmom]

I need a little input from you homies!

Does kitty litter have nutritional value?

Ha, do you mean like kitty croquettes? I've seen dogs who thought they had nutritional value.

 

[MemPat]

Although, backing it up now (no pun intended), I'm thinking that given the flushing once a day formula, you may want to rethink the dry dog food. An aromatic, moist Purina cat food might be a better dietary choice. And an unlimited supply of prune juice.

The pun and the prunes got me!

The moist cat food would gum up the chute.

Back to the drawing board!

(I hear a mod coming....)

 

[GordianKnot]

The house is on 35 acres, in a sparsely populated area.

There’s no guarantee anyone would smell anything, much less call the fire department.

Plastic was found, which corroborated KK’s account of a fire, in addition to other tell-tale signs.

Thanks for including that great aerial visual of the Frazee property, MG!
A picture sometimes does say a thousand words.
It really does highlight how remote and isolated the ranchette is there.
I honestly can't imagine that a burn there late at night would get noticed by anyone not on the property.

Of course, conversely, I can't imagine anyone on the property could have failed to notice it.

JMO.

 

[MemPat]

Mine has content although the nutritional value is questionable.

I suppose Hill's Science Diet and canned tuna as a treat during the week might have some value once its passed through the system? Like the Catkins Diet.

Protein and Fibre is important of course, especially once a person is in prison.

In certain Asian countries raw human waste is used to fertilize crops, so there is value in waste matter from mammals. Plus its good for recycling.

Perhaps a study should be done. I'm sure some university in Colorado needs a grant...

In my opinion only and Moo.

Can't give PF a can because he might kill himself with the lid........ Oh.......never mind.

I thought sure you would grab the opportunity to say "POO" instead of "MOO", nwmouse!

 

[MyBelle]

Let's be clear here. SF came to court under a subpoena. It's was also very clear prosecution tried to call SF as it's first witness in the preliminary hearing -- without any preface whatsoever, as some have alleged.

SF's attorney cited her 5th amendment right not to testify, judge removed her from courtroom, and hearing continued without delay.

Only later, after lunch, and off the record discussion, did Judge Sells inform the court that he was upholding his decision to free SF of her subpoena-- which meant she did not have to testify at PF's preliminary hearing because Judge believed others could provide similar information about "when PF arrived for dinner on Thanksgiving, the well being of baby K, and a steel rod that may have been recovered." ... and the "burning incident."

How this translated to the DA being labeled "unethical" is seriously wrong. MOO

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth

Tuesday’s court appearance is a preliminary hearing, which means the prosecution will attempt to show the judge that there is enough evidence for the case to go to trial.

The prosecution tried to call Patrick Frazee's mother Sheila Frazee as its first witness, however, her attorney argued that she should not be compelled to testify, citing her Fifth Amendment rights. [bbm]

The judge ruled in favor of Sheila Frazee and she will not testify at this point, though he has asked that she leave the courtroom.
[...]
1:30 p.m -- COURT IS BACK IN SESSION AFTER LUNCH

Teller County Judge Scott Sells is upholding his decision to release Patrick Frazee’s mother from her subpoena, which means she will not have to testify against her son at his preliminary hearing.

Sells said prosecutors had wanted Sheila Frazee to testify about when her son arrived at Thanksgiving dinner the day Berreth disappeared, the well being of his child, and a steel rod that may have been recovered.

She was also expected to testify about what was referred to as a “burning incident” at Frazee’s home, according to Sells.

Sells said a preliminary hearing is not a time for this testimony, and that other witnesses can provide further similar information.

BBM. It was SF's attorney who labeled it unethical, not posters here. And the Judge agreed there were "valid concerns."

The district attorney called Frazee's mother, Sheila Frazee, to testify at the beginning of her son's court appearance Tuesday, but her attorney told the court she would refuse to answer questions, adding that it's "unethical" to call a witness in a preliminary hearing who intends to not answer questions.

The prosecution told the court they believe Sheila Frazee has information about evidence destruction, that she found a weapon they allege has to do with the murder solicitation charge and that she could provide a motive for the murder.

After discussing the situation with attorneys in private and reviewing case law, Sells ruled "this is not the time and place" to call Sheila Frazee to testify, adding that he thought she had "valid concerns" about the Fifth Amendment.
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/ne...o-man-accused-killing-kelsey-berr/2914583002/

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks for including that great aerial visual of the Frazee property, MG!
A picture sometimes does say a thousand words.
It really does highlight how remote and isolated the ranchette is there.
I honestly can't imagine that a burn there late at night would get notice by anyone not on the property. Of course, conversely, I can't imagine those on the property could fail to notice it.

JMO.

Hell, they could probably light up “Burning Man” there, and no one would notice.

Of course this wasn’t “Burning Man,” this was “burning murder victim.”

 

[GordianKnot]

Can't give PF a can because he might kill himself with the lid........ Oh.......never mind.

I thought sure you would grab the opportunity to say "POO" instead of "MOO", nwmouse!

Y'know, you mentioning cans and lids put me in mind of Oscar the Grouch.

Which in turn has led me to openly speculate that one of the things PF is missing the most right now locked up there in the hoosegau is having Ma F. turn the tube on every morning so he can watch Sesame Street as he drinks his apple juice out of his sippy cup.

JMO.

 

[MemPat]

Ah, I didn't think about the canned tin danger.

I just looked up commissary foods available, and tuna, mackerel and sardines come packaged safely.

Sadly I'm never going to win a POOlitzer prize for investigative journalism...

IMHOO. MOO.

I died.

 

[nwmouse]

Y'know, you mentioning cans and lids put me in mind of Oscar the Grouch.

Which in turn has led me to openly speculate that one of the things PF is missing the most right now locked up there in the hoosegau is having Ma F. turn the tube on every morning so he can watch Sesame Street as he drinks his apple juice out of his sippy cup.

JMO.

LOL@ hoosegau!!

I think he's also missing Gripe Water.
For his sore tum-tum.

Wonder if they sell Gripe Water and sippy cups in the prison commissary?

moo and imho.

 

[Best of What's Around]

BBM. It was SF's attorney who labeled it unethical, not posters here. And the Judge agreed there were "valid concerns."

The district attorney called Frazee's mother, Sheila Frazee, to testify at the beginning of her son's court appearance Tuesday, but her attorney told the court she would refuse to answer questions, adding that it's "unethical" to call a witness in a preliminary hearing who intends to not answer questions.

The prosecution told the court they believe Sheila Frazee has information about evidence destruction, that she found a weapon they allege has to do with the murder solicitation charge and that she could provide a motive for the murder.

After discussing the situation with attorneys in private and reviewing case law, Sells ruled "this is not the time and place" to call Sheila Frazee to testify, adding that he thought she had "valid concerns" about the Fifth Amendment.
Investigator: Colorado man beat fiancee to death with baseball bat, burned her body

I guess that was the attorney’s spin. It is somewhat a sad state of affairs when seeking the truth on the record is considered unethical, IMO.

I doubt it but still hope PF saves everyone a lot of heartache, expense, and years by simply pleading guilty as Chris Watts finally did in his case. It is clear to me there is just as much evidence if not more in this case as in that other CO murder case. MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

BBM. It was SF's attorney who labeled it unethical, not posters here. And the Judge agreed there were "valid concerns."

The district attorney called Frazee's mother, Sheila Frazee, to testify at the beginning of her son's court appearance Tuesday, but her attorney told the court she would refuse to answer questions, adding that it's "unethical" to call a witness in a preliminary hearing who intends to not answer questions.

The prosecution told the court they believe Sheila Frazee has information about evidence destruction, that she found a weapon they allege has to do with the murder solicitation charge and that she could provide a motive for the murder.

After discussing the situation with attorneys in private and reviewing case law, Sells ruled "this is not the time and place" to call Sheila Frazee to testify, adding that he thought she had "valid concerns" about the Fifth Amendment.
Investigator: Colorado man beat fiancee to death with baseball bat, burned her body

Yes, the judge had valid concerns about the fifth amendment. Meaning, had she testified, she would've likely incriminated herself. The judge's ruling had nothing to do with SF's attorney throwing out the word "unethical."
MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I guess that was the attorney’s spin. It is somewhat a sad state of affairs when seeking the truth on the record is considered unethical, IMO.

I doubt it but still hope PF saves everyone a lot of heartache, expense, and years by simply pleading guilty as Chris Watts finally did in his case. It is clear to me there is just as much evidence if not more in this case as in that other CO murder case. MOO

I couldn't agree with you more, but I don't believe defendant PF has a conscience or is capable of empathy for anyone other than himself. I truly believe he thinks he has a good shot at reasonable doubt.
JMO

 

[MemPat]

LOL@ hoosegau!!

I think he's also missing Gripe Water.
For his sore tum-tum.

Wonder if they sell Gripe Water and sippy cups in the prison commissary?

moo and imho.

Hoosegau and Gripe Water.

It's like a poetry conference on WS!

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, valid concerns about the fifth amendment. Meaning, had she testified, she would likely have incriminated herself. The judge's ruling had nothing to do with SF's attorney throwing out the word "unethical."
MOO

I have no doubt DA May will have his opportunity to ask SF ALL about it come trial time. I wonder if brother SF will be on the witness list as well? I don't see why he wouldn't be called to testify to what he did/did not observe on TG as well since he did place himself there.