CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #50 *ARREST*

[girlhasnoname]

Not sure her Sonic run has much to do with her size as it does her lack of humanity.

The comments about looks have bothered me each time, but only now chose to post on it because it seems to have gone over the top in frequency.

People who are obese, or unattractive, or lousy dressers, or having bad hair days aren't bad people because of their perceived lack of "good looks".

And good looking people can be absolutely horrific. Some in Hollywood are prime examples.

I just have a problem when we seem to equate the two (bad people are ugly, ugly people are bad).

That ain't real life.

KK, IMO, is a HORRIBLE person, BUT not due to anything other than her actions and attitude.

That being said, sometimes one's personality is a reflection of their self-esteem and how well they take care of themselves, which can affect behavior and their decision making. Still, doesn't necessarily make them bad people.

I don't participate in bashing anyone's personal appearance as a general rule and I really don't see a lot of it here on WS in general. But I will say KK is the ONE person, if I were going to throw my usual 'code' out of the window for a day, it would be over trash talking KK. It's not even her weight that disgusts me, it's knowing how she smiled and lied and carried on for months knowing what was coming to KB.

She broke the girl code, the nurse's code, the human code and any other code I can think of. She's as wicked as PF and I hate like hellz she's not sitting in jail. So in her honor I will again post one of my favorite pictures of Miss KK:

 

[girlhasnoname]

It aired here in Georgia again an hour ago. I taped it and I'm watching now.
Moo

@gngr~snap I have been 'looking' for you on the board to see what you thought of PF and the incident at the hospital following baby's K's birth. I know your a Ped Nurse, so I was dying to get your opinion.

 

[Ccging]

It aired here in Georgia again an hour ago. I taped it and I'm watching now.
Moo

I was able to watch on the CNN app but with tons of commercials that way.

Let me know your thoughts after you watch it.

I saw nothing new, other than I had not seen the interview of CC when he talked to PF after LE’s search and how they “really messed up the place” and it would take PF “months to put the place back together”.

And I wish reporters would clarify things because in HLN’s piece the way they spoke of KK’s account of things “she went to HELP PF clean up” (phrased it like they cleaned together) and it almost came across as if she watched him scoop up what was left after the fire. I’m blaming it on their bad reporting. Though both of those COULD actually be true.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Also, baby K is only one year old, so that means CC saw PF with her maybe two or three times. I would like to know what CC has to say now that info is out that PF was paying KB $700 a month in child support, her phone, and her car insurance, all this is according to SF. Why pay all that if you are not together, and you have full custody of the baby?

Gonna be kinda hard for him to talk with his mouth full of crow..

 

[GordianKnot]

I know we can’t accuse SF for obvious reasons.

But I will say if somebody asked me hypothetically would somebody in the same situation as SF know based on the likelihood of the situation surrounding her.

I would answer did she know? Of course she knew.

And Occam would be nodding his head in agreement with you.

As am I.

One thing I'm fairly confident of is the fact that I think DA Dan is all done playing, "Let's Make A Deal" now that he has KK in his pocket.

All of the remaining crones and cronies in PF's circle should be very, very nervous right now.
I hear DA May swings a mean bat, too.
And he's still up at the plate.

Unlike PF, who's gonna' be riding the pine for the rest of his miserable life.
Hopefully, his cellmate will be laying the lumber on him regularly.
It's the very least he deserves.


JMO.

 

[Kapua]

I will never forget the look on CB's face during the very first PC when she went to the podium to speak. I saw disbelief, grief, fear, sadness, grim determination when she had to pause a moment when she began to choke up. CB stood up for her daughter and defended her as best she could against the attacks on KB's 'character' which were already being tossed about by the killer and his ridiculous cronies.

Cheryl Berreth is one of the finest examples of a mother under pressure rising beyond everything to do the right thing for her daughter and baby granddaughter that I have seen. I can never applaud her enough, although she seems like the kind of person who wouldn't want anyone to make a fuss over her. Humble and kind, but strong in character. IMO

I picture KB much the same way, and I can see little KB growing into being a wonderful person too surrounded by all their love.

Shannan Watts mother Sanda R, Laci Peterson's mom Sharon R., Morgan Harrington's Mom Gil, Mollie Tibbetts Dad Rob, and Jayme Closs's Aunt Jen. Just a few of the many brave faces behind these horrible cases that I will never forget.

Beautifully stated, and I totally agree. When I think of what CB already knew at that press conference, I am in complete awe of her composure and restraint.

 

[BingoBongo]

Yup. As far as I’m concerned, no blow is too low, when it comes to KK.

She deserves everything she gets, and unfortunately, it will never be what she deserves.

Atleast legally.

Not the point folks.

No one is disputing that she has done things beyond the pale.

But the idea of using one's LOOKS as a put down isn't valid. Particularly when there are so many other horrid things to call her on.

 

[LietKynes]

Also, baby K is only one year old, so that means CC saw PF with her maybe two or three times. I would like to know what CC has to say now that info is out that PF was paying KB $700 a month in child support, her phone, and her car insurance, all this is according to SF. Why pay all that if you are not together, and you have full custody of the baby?

Good point.
If this 'payment' to Kelsey story came from PF and SF to CC, I'd take it with a mountain of salt.
And if CC saw PF only a few times, how would this person know what kind of 'parent' PF was ?

 

[Kapua]

Good point.
If this 'payment' to Kelsey story came from PF and SF to CC, I'd take it with a mountain of salt.
And if CC saw PF only a few times, how would this person know what kind of 'parent' PF was ?

He brought extra socks for baby K, IIRC.

 

[LietKynes]

I know we can’t accuse SF for obvious reasons.

But I will say if somebody asked me hypothetically would somebody in the same situation as SF know based on the likelihood of the situation surrounding her.

I would answer, did she know? Of course she knew.

SABBM

From the sat image, the burn area was well within sight of the house.
Strange indeed for PF and KK to think they were destroying evidence "secretly".

Just the amount of persons familiar with PF .... Kelsey was surrounded by people wishing her harm or at the very least, indifferent to her possible danger.

 

[ab01]

Not the point folks.

No one is disputing that she has done things beyond the pale.

But the idea of using one's LOOKS as a put down isn't valid. Particularly when there are so many other horrid things to call her on.

I will agree and she does look quite beautiful in this photo.

Although she is missing her crown.

ETA: I quoted the wrong post

 

[Seattle1]

I was able to watch on the CNN app but with tons of commercials that way.

Let me know your thoughts after you watch it.

I saw nothing new, other than I had not seen the interview of CC when he talked to PF after LE’s search and how they “really messed up the place” and it would take PF “months to put the place back together”.

And I wish reporters would clarify things because in HLN’s piece the way they spoke of KK’s account of things “she went to HELP PF clean up” (phrased it like they cleaned together) and it almost came across as if she watched him scoop up what was left after the fire. I’m blaming it on their bad reporting. Though both of those COULD actually be true.

In addition to CC, the episode also featured a former customer of PF, that did not share CC's high regard for PF. She thought he was "angry," and dismissed him when his technique included striking her horse when it moved on him. I'd not seen her before HLN.

 

[gngr~snap]

@gngr~snap I have been 'looking' for you on the board to see what you thought of PF and the incident at the hospital following baby's K's birth. I know your a Ped Nurse, so I was dying to get your opinion.

THIS IS ALL IN MY OPINION!!!
NONE OF THE POSSIBLE SCENARIOS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH JF OR KB- only POSSIBLE situations that would warrant a call to Social Services.

I commented a day or so ago. It is my opinion that they saw signs of abuse on Kelsey's body during various stages of her labor and delivery. IMO the staff removed baby immediately after delivery and point blank asked for an explanation for what they may have seen.
Could have been older yellow (days old bruising) fresh bruises or even signs on PF like scratches on or near his face.
They would have been asked to explain why either of them had any marks that were "red flags".
In my experience ,the answers do not explain the visual evidence.
For example. "Oh I fell down the stairs." And there is bruising on both the front and back of the legs or the bruising is obviously a hand print, fingers or even in the shape of knuckles, say around the rib area.
Someone could have heard him threaten her outright that he would remove the child from her room or harm the baby if she didnt comply with his wishes.
For example, "if you dont let me sign the birth certificate, you'll never see your baby again." Or "you will split custody with me or I'll kill that baby".
Whatever it was it had to be pretty serious.
It could have even been something someone overheard him saying to someone else outside of the room, say on his cell phone.
He could have told the staff that she was an alcoholic and on drugs, just like he did to other people, and it was necessary to draw labs and do a drug screen to ensure that his accusations were untrue.
IMO he was confronted very matter of factly, why they were doing what they did and the fact that they were questioning him and doing a follow up investigation and not taking him at his word, would have been enough for him to go off on them.
I'm sure they didn't mince words with him and he wasn't in a position to be able to convince them otherwise.
It may have simply been that when asked questions he didn't allow her to answer them. That was ALWAYS a big red flag with us. That usually means that the woman is in some type of abusive situation.
People are usually on their best behavior even during labor and delivery. They want to present themselves as competent parents.
The simple fact that he was unable to control his emotions in their presence is also a red flag. If they will speak to the mother of their child like that in their presence, it is very likely that behind closed doors, the behavior is much worse.
Personally I'm of the belief that they saw signs of physical abuse and it was reported and documented and a decision was made to remove the child and call in SS, until a decision was made that she would be safe in the room with both if them.
Many rooms have hidden video cameras and the ability to listen to conversations in the room without their knowledge.
I know every pediatric hospital where I have ever worked did.
That's how many women with muenchausen by proxy are caught.
You have probably seen the videos yourself on tv.
I am in NO WAY suggesting that this was done due to anything that Kelsey said or did.
Then again it could have been. She probably arrived by herself before PF and most women at some point during the admission process are asked do you have a reason to fear your significant other.
Maybe she told them yes, I do.
This will be interesting to find out, although it may be years before we know.
It also could just be hospital policy. Where my grandson was born, the parents got 1 hour to bond and then 2 hours for baby to be removed from the room, where they will examine the child, perform a hearing test etc... and mom is given a chance to shower and clean up, perhaps have a snack and rest a few minutes before baby returns.
Most of the hospitals around here have gotten rid of the newborn nursery and opted for a mother baby unit, so really it is the only break a new mom gets until leaving the hospital.
All MOO

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[Ccging]

In addition to CC, the episode also featured a former customer of PF, that did not share CC's high regard for PF. She thought he was "angry," and dismissed him when his technique included striking her horse when it moved on him. I'd not seen her before HLN.

Yes, I recall hearing about her early on but this was the first time I recall seeing her interviewed.

 

[LietKynes]

Knowing that SF raised a child capable of what PF did, I hope she is NEVER around children again.

^^ Yes, you're preaching to the choir here
Still worried for baby K's safety, this little one is all the Berreth's have left of Kelsey.

I agree and I personally would also never feel safe that she or she and others may not take off with that baby, or hide her. It sure appears that is what about was to go on when they were both leaving the property separately... And they had already kept her from the Berreths...

Bingo.
I think it's entirely possible. It makes sense -- in a sad and aggravating way...
LE have their man now, though.
And hopefully enough evidence will compel the courts to allow the Berreth's their granddaughter forever.

 

[MassGuy]

Not the point folks.

No one is disputing that she has done things beyond the pale.

But the idea of using one's LOOKS as a put down isn't valid. Particularly when there are so many other horrid things to call her on.

She lacked the human decency to prevent a mother’s murder.

She lacked empathy for both Kelsey, and her daughter.

I have no sympathy for KK, and couldn’t possibly care less, as to form the verbal onslaught takes.

No one can control their looks, and generally, an attack in that regard is as weak as it is petty.

For her, I’ll make an exception.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Yep, one has to wonder where they were heading in two cars that morning super early.

Idaho?

 

[ab01]

She lacked the human decency to prevent a mother’s murder.

She lacked empathy for both Kelsey, and her daughter.

I have no sympathy for KK, and couldn’t possibly care less, as to form the verbal onslaught takes.

No one can control their looks, and generally, an attack in that regard is as weak as it is petty.

For her, I’ll make an exception.

And when you add in that she is in my opinion very vain herself and likely cares very much about how she looks and dresses.

The fact that she was sizing up her competition.

That she likely judges others based on their appearance alone.

I think those insults would definitely hit her where it hurts. Moo

Feel free to S/R

 

[MemPat]

I wonder if pf had tried to solicit anybody else?

I would bet on it!

 

[MemPat]

Did anyone watch the HLN program on this case yesterday? Is the lack of comments because it didn't offer anything new? I think you posters wrote a whole thread after the Dateline program.

As I watched that yawner of an HLN show I thought about how much better it would have been if produced by the people on this thread!

HLN just regurgitated what we've seen on the news and the online rags.