CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #50 *ARREST*

[MemPat]

I caught something interesting that CC had to say.

He keeps talking about how great a guy PF is, and calls him a wonderful father.

When talking about their interactions, he said that he only saw PF a couple times a year.

It’s not like this guy is a close friend, but he makes it seem that way.

I think somebody just likes seeing himself on TV.

If the most complimentary thing you can say about a guy is that he puts extra socks on a child.....hmmmmm.

 

[MassGuy]

I think somebody just likes seeing himself on TV.

Yeah, the closer he appears to PF, the more tv time he gets.

On Dateline, he said that “a lot of people are going to end up eating crow.”

I’d like to see him eat a literal one, after this is over.

 

[MemPat]

I will never forget the look on CB's face during the very first PC when she went to the podium to speak. I saw disbelief, grief, fear, sadness, grim determination when she had to pause a moment when she began to choke up. CB stood up for her daughter and defended her as best she could against the attacks on KB's 'character' which were already being tossed about by the killer and his ridiculous cronies.

Cheryl Berreth is one of the finest examples of a mother under pressure rising beyond everything to do the right thing for her daughter and baby granddaughter that I have seen. I can never applaud her enough, although she seems like the kind of person who wouldn't want anyone to make a fuss over her. Humble and kind, but strong in character. IMO

I picture KB much the same way, and I can see little KB growing into being a wonderful person too surrounded by all their love.

Shannan Watts mother Sanda R, Laci Peterson's mom Sharon R., Morgan Harrington's Mom Gil, Mollie Tibbetts Dad Rob, and Jayme Closs's Aunt Jen. Just a few of the many brave faces behind these horrible cases that I will never forget.

Knowing that CB already knew her daughter was dead during that press conference makes me saddest of all.

 

[MemPat]

Knowing that SF raised a child capable of what PF did, I hope she is NEVER around children again.

Are there other grandchildren? Scary.

 

[GordianKnot]

Yup. As far as I’m concerned, no blow is too low, when it comes to KK.

She deserves everything she gets, and unfortunately, it will never be what she deserves.

Atleast legally.

Not the point folks.

No one is disputing that she has done things beyond the pale.

But the idea of using one's LOOKS as a put down isn't valid. Particularly when there are so many other horrid things to call her on.

I know this post was in response to someone else, but I'd like to respond as the original post has IMO been mischaracterized as giving a general green light to attack peoples' looks.

Obviously, someone who goes by the moniker "MASSGuy" is not someone who is going to be insensitive with regard to issues related to weight. IMO, it was a bit unfair to single out his post to discuss the issue of KK's purported "looks."

My interpretation of the "no blow too low" comment in the op is that people are fully justified in hammering away at KK verbally regarding all of her heinous actions related to KB's murder. Nobody should feel like they need to spare KK any of the just criticisms she so richly deserves. I certainly don't.

I agree that the focus with regard to KK needs to be on her evil actions. Having said that, in addition to all the harsh criticisms that can be leveled at KK related to her knowledge of and involvement in KB's murder, the woman has also definitely earned the right to be dealt the occasional cheap shot.

Because I'm pretty sure her queenly vanity and overinflated ego is the only place where you can land a shot that will hurt her.

JMO.

 

[GordianKnot]

And when you add in that she is in my opinion very vain herself and likely cares very much about how she looks and dresses.

The fact that she was sizing up her competition.

That she likely judges others based on their appearance alone.

I think those insults would definitely hit her where it hurts. Moo

Feel free to S/R

BBM:

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

And, yes, I agree with you, I think she is completely superficial and has no "interior life."
All that woman cares about are appearances.

Which is why I'm okay with helping her realize her glistening tiara'd Stampede Queen days are behind her now.

 

[Oregon]

I think somebody just likes seeing himself on TV.

If the most complimentary thing you can say about a guy is that he puts extra socks on a child.....hmmmmm.

Kelsey probably packed the diaper bag.

 

[girlhasnoname]

THIS IS ALL IN MY OPINION!!!
NONE OF THE POSSIBLE SCENARIOS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH JF OR KB- only POSSIBLE situations that would warrant a call to Social Services.

I commented a day or so ago. It is my opinion that they saw signs of abuse on Kelsey's body during various stages of her labor and delivery. IMO the staff removed baby immediately after delivery and point blank asked for an explanation for what they may have seen.
Could have been older yellow (days old bruising) fresh bruises or even signs on PF like scratches on or near his face.
They would have been asked to explain why either of them had any marks that were "red flags".
In my experience ,the answers do not explain the visual evidence.
For example. "Oh I fell down the stairs." And there is bruising on both the front and back of the legs or the bruising is obviously a hand print, fingers or even in the shape of knuckles, say around the rib area.
Someone could have heard him threaten her outright that he would remove the child from her room or harm the baby if she didnt comply with his wishes.
For example, "if you dont let me sign the birth certificate, you'll never see your baby again." Or "you will split custody with me or I'll kill that baby".
Whatever it was it had to be pretty serious.
It could have even been something someone overheard him saying to someone else outside of the room, say on his cell phone.
He could have told the staff that she was an alcoholic and on drugs, just like he did to other people, and it was necessary to draw labs and do a drug screen to ensure that his accusations were untrue.
IMO he was confronted very matter of factly, why they were doing what they did and the fact that they were questioning him and doing a follow up investigation and not taking him at his word, would have been enough for him to go off on them.
I'm sure they didn't mince words with him and he wasn't in a position to be able to convince them otherwise.
It may have simply been that when asked questions he didn't allow her to answer them. That was ALWAYS a big red flag with us. That usually means that the woman is in some type of abusive situation.
People are usually on their best behavior even during labor and delivery. They want to present themselves as competent parents.
The simple fact that he was unable to control his emotions in their presence is also a red flag. If they will speak to the mother of their child like that in their presence, it is very likely that behind closed doors, the behavior is much worse.
Personally I'm of the belief that they saw signs of physical abuse and it was reported and documented and a decision was made to remove the child and call in SS, until a decision was made that she would be safe in the room with both if them.
Many rooms have hidden video cameras and the ability to listen to conversations in the room without their knowledge.
I know every pediatric hospital where I have ever worked did.
That's how many women with muenchausen by proxy are caught.
You have probably seen the videos yourself on tv.
I am in NO WAY suggesting that this was done due to anything that Kelsey said or did.
Then again it could have been. She probably arrived by herself before PF and most women at some point during the admission process are asked do you have a reason to fear your significant other.
Maybe she told them yes, I do.
This will be interesting to find out, although it may be years before we know.
It also could just be hospital policy. Where my grandson was born, the parents got 1 hour to bond and then 2 hours for baby to be removed from the room, where they will examine the child, perform a hearing test etc... and mom is given a chance to shower and clean up, perhaps have a snack and rest a few minutes before baby returns.
Most of the hospitals around here have gotten rid of the newborn nursery and opted for a mother baby unit, so really it is the only break a new mom gets until leaving the hospital.
All MOO

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Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

Thank you so much for your very informative response.

 

[MemPat]

I would like to respond as I think it's possible some of the thoughts being expressed here may be indirectly speaking to something I posted earlier.

To be clear: fat shaming is wrong. I think we're all agreed on that.
It's not as bad as murdering somebody with a baseball bat, but it's not nice.

Now, I did reference hippos in my post r/t KK showing her true stripes.
However, I never once called KK fat! Not one time.

And hippos don't even have hair, so of course, I agree with you that it would be ridiculous to think that referencing hippos would be a knock on KK's hair. That would be silly!

In point of fact, the hippopotamus is one of the most dangerous animals in the world. Hippos are highly aggressive and unpredictable.
I think that describes KK to a tee.

It is just unfortunate that so many associate hippos with wide girth and massive, barrel-shaped torsos alone.

I blame a lot of that on the game "Hungry Hungry Hippos" by Hasbro.

Then again, KK did make that Sonic Run, so there's that.

JMO.

GK, your restraint is massive and unpredictable and makes me want Chili Cheese Fries.

 

[ab01]

I wonder if when PF was questioned by LE if he again started of with “ here’s the story”.....

That would totally take away any suspicions They may have had.....*huge eye roll*

 

[MemPat]

Oh, I completely agree!

This is just a case where in KK you have the complete package.

She's hideous, inside and outside.
An unattractive, unappealing person through and through.

KK appears to be incapable of feeling any shame or remorse r/t her actions or her inner motivations.

The only shame KK may be capable of feeling is that which is related to the superficial, i.e., her ugliness on the outside vs. her ugliness on the inside.

Might as well cover all the territory, which in her case is not inconsiderable.
She doesn't deserve any more breaks.
She already got more than her fair share in the form of that sweetie beauty of a deal.

JMO.

Oh, come on, GK, give a contract killer a break!

 

[freedomintruth]

Not sure her Sonic run has much to do with her size as it does her lack of humanity.

The comments about looks have bothered me each time, but only now chose to post on it because it seems to have gone over the top in frequency.

People who are obese, or unattractive, or lousy dressers, or having bad hair days aren't bad people because of their perceived lack of "good looks".

And good looking people can be absolutely horrific. Some in Hollywood are prime examples.

I just have a problem when we seem to equate the two (bad people are ugly, ugly people are bad).

That ain't real life.

KK, IMO, is a HORRIBLE person, BUT not due to anything other than her actions and attitude.

That being said, sometimes one's personality is a reflection of their self-esteem and how well they take care of themselves, which can affect behavior and their decision making. Still, doesn't necessarily make them bad people.

Thank you for sharing. I agree also.

 

[GordianKnot]

*DBM.

 

[SandyQLS]

THIS IS ALL IN MY OPINION!!!
NONE OF THE POSSIBLE SCENARIOS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH JF OR KB- only POSSIBLE situations that would warrant a call to Social Services.

I commented a day or so ago. It is my opinion that they saw signs of abuse on Kelsey's body during various stages of her labor and delivery. IMO the staff removed baby immediately after delivery and point blank asked for an explanation for what they may have seen.
Could have been older yellow (days old bruising) fresh bruises or even signs on PF like scratches on or near his face.
They would have been asked to explain why either of them had any marks that were "red flags".
In my experience ,the answers do not explain the visual evidence.
For example. "Oh I fell down the stairs." And there is bruising on both the front and back of the legs or the bruising is obviously a hand print, fingers or even in the shape of knuckles, say around the rib area.
Someone could have heard him threaten her outright that he would remove the child from her room or harm the baby if she didnt comply with his wishes.
For example, "if you dont let me sign the birth certificate, you'll never see your baby again." Or "you will split custody with me or I'll kill that baby".
Whatever it was it had to be pretty serious.
It could have even been something someone overheard him saying to someone else outside of the room, say on his cell phone.
He could have told the staff that she was an alcoholic and on drugs, just like he did to other people, and it was necessary to draw labs and do a drug screen to ensure that his accusations were untrue.
IMO he was confronted very matter of factly, why they were doing what they did and the fact that they were questioning him and doing a follow up investigation and not taking him at his word, would have been enough for him to go off on them.
I'm sure they didn't mince words with him and he wasn't in a position to be able to convince them otherwise.
It may have simply been that when asked questions he didn't allow her to answer them. That was ALWAYS a big red flag with us. That usually means that the woman is in some type of abusive situation.
People are usually on their best behavior even during labor and delivery. They want to present themselves as competent parents.
The simple fact that he was unable to control his emotions in their presence is also a red flag. If they will speak to the mother of their child like that in their presence, it is very likely that behind closed doors, the behavior is much worse.
Personally I'm of the belief that they saw signs of physical abuse and it was reported and documented and a decision was made to remove the child and call in SS, until a decision was made that she would be safe in the room with both if them.
Many rooms have hidden video cameras and the ability to listen to conversations in the room without their knowledge.
I know every pediatric hospital where I have ever worked did.
That's how many women with muenchausen by proxy are caught.
You have probably seen the videos yourself on tv.
I am in NO WAY suggesting that this was done due to anything that Kelsey said or did.
Then again it could have been. She probably arrived by herself before PF and most women at some point during the admission process are asked do you have a reason to fear your significant other.
Maybe she told them yes, I do.
This will be interesting to find out, although it may be years before we know.
It also could just be hospital policy. Where my grandson was born, the parents got 1 hour to bond and then 2 hours for baby to be removed from the room, where they will examine the child, perform a hearing test etc... and mom is given a chance to shower and clean up, perhaps have a snack and rest a few minutes before baby returns.
Most of the hospitals around here have gotten rid of the newborn nursery and opted for a mother baby unit, so really it is the only break a new mom gets until leaving the hospital.
All MOO

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Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

Thanks for your post.

I thought most hospitals are loathe to separate mother and newborn, except briefly as you note. And overly excited fathers can always be removed by security, police if needed, because they are not the patient but visitors. KB and PF were not married and did not live together, which should have taken all of 15 minutes to determine. Where is the evidence of this story other than CB saying it, and she probably wasn't present at an unexpected, early, out-of-state birth. iirc it took CB more than 24 hours to get to WP after she reported KB missing (drive from far north ID to Spokane, find a seat on a flight to Denver...). I would like to see some proof of this particular story. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks for your post.

I thought most hospitals are loathe to separate mother and newborn, except briefly as you note. And overly excited fathers can always be removed by security, police if needed, because they are not the patient but visitors. KB and PF were not married and did not live together, which should have taken all of 15 minutes to determine. Where is the evidence of this story other than CB saying it, and she probably wasn't present at an unexpected, early, out-of-state birth. iirc it took CB more than 24 hours to get to WP after she reported KB missing (drive from far north ID to Spokane, find a seat on a flight to Denver...). I would like to see some proof of this particular story. JMO

This account would have come from KB to CB, and I find that fact terrifying.

If anything, she would have downplayed it.

Obviously there would be records of this encounter, and some witnesses to corroborate it.

If CB is saying it, I absolutely believe it, especially in light of what PF has shown himself to be.

A monster.

 

[skycountry]

I think somebody just likes seeing himself on TV.

If the most complimentary thing you can say about a guy is that he puts extra socks on a child.....hmmmmm.

Maybe donkey donations are down, and he was using it as free air time. jmo

 

[ilovechili]

I know we can’t accuse SF for obvious reasons.

But I will say if somebody asked me hypothetically would somebody in the same situation as SF know based on the likelihood of the situation surrounding her.

I would answer, did she know? Of course she knew.

Agree. That is what I was doing as well, just stating what are facts that relate to her. And they are quite a few...

 

[ab01]

Agree. That is what I was doing as well, just stating what are facts that relate to her. And they are quite a few...

Agreed! And I was just adding to what you had stated, not trying to say you were insinuating anything. Just trying to make my opinion known while tight roping as well.

 

[Hatfield]

Yeah, the closer he appears to PF, the more tv time he gets.

On Dateline, he said that “a lot of people are going to end up eating crow.”

I’d like to see him eat a literal one, after this is over.

I had a few ravens land in my yard today. I'll be ready with a net next time and catch a few fresh ones for him.

 

[MCDRAW]

yes!
I find it quite astounding how many people casually drop into convo ..".well to be honest with ya" etc. ..when it isn't even relevant.

it makes my eyes pop wide unconsciously lol everytime!
wtf?? aren't you usually honest?? why the revelation that your 'levelling' with me

I am always honest, people can read my face, but I try really hard not to hurt people's feelings. When I say, "to be perfectly honest", that means I am no longer trying to protect your feelings. Kind of a warning that I have been pushed too far.