CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #50 *ARREST*

[Eleanor Rigby]

I am always honest, people can read my face, but I try really hard not to hurt people's feelings. When I say, "to be perfectly honest", that means I am no longer trying to protect your feelings. Kind of a warning that I have been pushed too far.

I've always understood that expression as meaning, "to be blunt," but maybe I was being naive. Maybe the person had been lying previously and was coming clean, or proceeding to lie yet again.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

This account would have come from KB to CB, and I find that fact terrifying.

If anything, she would have downplayed it.

Obviously there would be records of this encounter, and some witnesses to corroborate it.

If CB is saying it, I absolutely believe it, especially in light of what PF has shown himself to be.

A monster.

I agree. Plus who's to say CB didn't make it there in time for the birth and to witness PF's rage against the nurse? Giving birth 3 weeks early in no way means a fast labor and delivery.
And CB had no reason to lie about PF's anger and threats. I'm sure this can and most likely will be confirmed through social services and perhaps by the one nurse in this case that actually did the right thing.

 

[ilovechili]

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Agreed! And I was just adding to what you had stated, not trying to say you were insinuating anything. Just trying to make my opinion known while tight roping as well.

lol. i didn't think you were. yes, that tightrope is tough at times... she is not exactly named but she is definitely under scrutiny or so one would think...

 

[Warwick7]

Can we post you tube videos?

I can't figure out how to do it.

It is public:
Type Brooke Steine. Under Stein's name it says Jennifer Lawrence.

I have to watch it again, but I swear she says KK had something to do with the murder.

Whoa!! Isn't she M Stein's own daughter?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

This account would have come from KB to CB, and I find that fact terrifying.

If anything, she would have downplayed it.

Obviously there would be records of this encounter, and some witnesses to corroborate it.

If CB is saying it, I absolutely believe it, especially in light of what PF has shown himself to be.

A monster.

We all would like to see proof of all the horse maneur these losers have said about KB to no avail.
Her taking off, losing her job, doing this to herself, in and out of drug,alcohol rehab, being a bad mother blah blah blah.

 

[GordianKnot]

I am always honest, people can read my face, but I try really hard not to hurt people's feelings. When I say, "to be perfectly honest", that means I am no longer trying to protect your feelings. Kind of a warning that I have been pushed too far.

Generally, when people preface their statements with phrases like, "I gotta' be honest," "To tell you the truth," "I can't lie," etc., it means 1 of 2 things:

1) They're about to give you an undiluted dose of real yucky truth serum, or, alternatively;
2) They're about to shove a great big whopper down your throat.

Sometimes, it can be hard to determine which you've just been fed.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Deleted by me.

 

[Warwick7]

I have no idea who this person is or what she's saying but we already know KK had something to do with the murder.

I think...she is M S's daughter.

 

[MsBetsy]

Can we post you tube videos?

I can't figure out how to do it.

It is public:
Type Brooke Steine. Under Stein's name it says Jennifer Lawrence.

I have to watch it again, but I swear she says KK had something to do with the murder.

Whoa!! Isn't she M Stein's own daughter?

Is it MSM? That name sounds familiar but I think it's associated with a FB group or something. To be honest, I really have no idea!

 

[MsBetsy]

We all would like to see proof of all the horse maneur these losers have said about KB to no avail.
Her taking off, losing her job, doing this to herself, in and out of drug,alcohol rehab, being a bad mother blah blah blah.

I think we have all the proof we need.

 

[MemPat]

I had a few ravens land in my yard today. I'll be ready with a net next time and catch a few fresh ones for him.

I hear they're good with a nice chianti and some fava beans.

 

[Mom24]

Can we post you tube videos?

I can't figure out how to do it.

It is public:
Type BS. Under S name it says JL.

I have to watch it again, but I swear she says KK had something to do with the murder.

Whoa!! Isn't she MS's own daughter?

RInitialedBM
I would do two things, first make sure you use initials because none of the people you mention is a POI. Second, if you want the best answer I'd pm a mod. Personally, I wouldn't post it.

 

[Mom24]

THIS IS ALL IN MY OPINION!!!
NONE OF THE POSSIBLE SCENARIOS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH JF OR KB- only POSSIBLE situations that would warrant a call to Social Services.

I commented a day or so ago. It is my opinion that they saw signs of abuse on Kelsey's body during various stages of her labor and delivery. IMO the staff removed baby immediately after delivery and point blank asked for an explanation for what they may have seen.
Could have been older yellow (days old bruising) fresh bruises or even signs on PF like scratches on or near his face.
They would have been asked to explain why either of them had any marks that were "red flags".
In my experience ,the answers do not explain the visual evidence.
For example. "Oh I fell down the stairs." And there is bruising on both the front and back of the legs or the bruising is obviously a hand print, fingers or even in the shape of knuckles, say around the rib area.
Someone could have heard him threaten her outright that he would remove the child from her room or harm the baby if she didnt comply with his wishes.
For example, "if you dont let me sign the birth certificate, you'll never see your baby again." Or "you will split custody with me or I'll kill that baby".
Whatever it was it had to be pretty serious.
It could have even been something someone overheard him saying to someone else outside of the room, say on his cell phone.
He could have told the staff that she was an alcoholic and on drugs, just like he did to other people, and it was necessary to draw labs and do a drug screen to ensure that his accusations were untrue.
IMO he was confronted very matter of factly, why they were doing what they did and the fact that they were questioning him and doing a follow up investigation and not taking him at his word, would have been enough for him to go off on them.
I'm sure they didn't mince words with him and he wasn't in a position to be able to convince them otherwise.
It may have simply been that when asked questions he didn't allow her to answer them. That was ALWAYS a big red flag with us. That usually means that the woman is in some type of abusive situation.
People are usually on their best behavior even during labor and delivery. They want to present themselves as competent parents.
The simple fact that he was unable to control his emotions in their presence is also a red flag. If they will speak to the mother of their child like that in their presence, it is very likely that behind closed doors, the behavior is much worse.
Personally I'm of the belief that they saw signs of physical abuse and it was reported and documented and a decision was made to remove the child and call in SS, until a decision was made that she would be safe in the room with both if them.
Many rooms have hidden video cameras and the ability to listen to conversations in the room without their knowledge.
I know every pediatric hospital where I have ever worked did.
That's how many women with muenchausen by proxy are caught.
You have probably seen the videos yourself on tv.
I am in NO WAY suggesting that this was done due to anything that Kelsey said or did.
Then again it could have been. She probably arrived by herself before PF and most women at some point during the admission process are asked do you have a reason to fear your significant other.
Maybe she told them yes, I do.
This will be interesting to find out, although it may be years before we know.
It also could just be hospital policy. Where my grandson was born, the parents got 1 hour to bond and then 2 hours for baby to be removed from the room, where they will examine the child, perform a hearing test etc... and mom is given a chance to shower and clean up, perhaps have a snack and rest a few minutes before baby returns.
Most of the hospitals around here have gotten rid of the newborn nursery and opted for a mother baby unit, so really it is the only break a new mom gets until leaving the hospital.
All MOO

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Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

I believe her mom said that PF was inappropriate with the staff, or that's what KB told her. It's not uncommon for a baby to be taken away to be assessed. They usually leave the baby with the mother for a few minutes and then take them to the nursery to clean them, drops in the eyes, assess apgar scores and make sure the child is able to hold their temp, etc. They measure, weigh and usually this is done while the mother is given an episiotomy, checked to make sure all the afterbirth is expelled, etc. Sometimes the father will follow the child to the nursery, depends on the hospital. If there are any issues, they'll hold the child there for a time.
My guess is that they attempted to remove the child from the room and PF didn't want to let them. He must have been over the top in his outburst for social services to be called because I've only seen that happen once and only heard of it a couple of times, and all situations involved threats and a physical altercation. This would have been far more than even noting bruises on the mother. What he did wasn't deemed dangerous to KB or even himself, it was deemed dangerous to his child. That's frightening.

 

[MemPat]

Generally, when people preface their statements with phrases like, "I gotta' be honest," "To tell you the truth," "I can't lie," etc., it means 1 of 2 things:

1) They're about to give you an undiluted dose of real yucky truth serum, or, alternatively;
2) They're about to shove a great big whopper down your throat.

Sometimes, it can be hard to determine which you've just been fed.

GK, you're so right about the whopper. Statement Analysis expert, Peter Hyatt says "honestly" is how a person you're interviewing announces that he's a liar.

The other one I like is, "It was a normal day..."

 

[MemPat]

I believe her mom said that PF was inappropriate with the staff, or that's what KB told her. It's not uncommon for a baby to be taken away to be assessed. They usually leave the baby with the mother for a few minutes and then take them to the nursery to clean them, drops in the eyes, assess apgar scores and make sure the child is able to hold their temp, etc. They measure, weigh and usually this is done while the mother is given an episiotomy, checked to make sure all the afterbirth is expelled, etc. Sometimes the father will follow the child to the nursery, depends on the hospital. If there are any issues, they'll hold the child there for a time.
My guess is that they attempted to remove the child from the room and PF didn't want to let them. He must have been over the top in his outburst for social services to be called because I've only seen that happen once and only heard of it a couple of times, and all situations involved threats and a physical altercation. This would have been far more than even noting bruises on the mother. What he did wasn't deemed dangerous to KB or even himself, it was deemed dangerous to his child. That's frightening.

If only those social services people had intervened with a hand gun! (kidding...sort of)

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

If only those social service people had intervened with a hand gun!

Or a baseball bat.

 

[ilovechili]

GK, you're so right about the whopper. Statement Analysis expert, Peter Hyatt says "honestly" is how a person you're interviewing announces that he's a liar.

The other one I like is, "It was a normal day..."

Other things are someone who buys time. You confront someone and they go now settle down, give me a chance to explain. Now that may signal they do have an explanation but it gives them that split second or two to think about a response. Or they say or then add oh, you are asking about that, well let me think about that, it was last week right? Buying time again.

Another is too many details. They think the more they explain and try to make it believable, the better the whopper.

Now people who are not liars can do this same thing so it is hard to tell. However, not each and every time....

My problem with KK is she has too much detail. Way too much detail. First hand accounts do not have that kind of detail. PF is described as quiet by most, etc., I just do not see him telling every little detail like girlfriends having a girl chat... Never heard nor seen anything quite like it...

This is just my opinion...

 

[ab01]

Other things are someone who buys time. You confront someone and they go now settle down, give me a chance to explain. Now that may signal they do have an explanation but it gives them that split second or two to think about a response. Or they say or then add oh, you are asking about that, well let me think about that, it was last week right? Buying time again.

Another is too many details. They think the more they explain and try to make it believable, the better the whopper.

Now people who are not liars can do this same thing so it is hard to tell. However, not each and every time....

My problem with KK is she has too much detail. Way too much detail. First hand accounts do not have that kind of detail. PF is described as quiet by most, etc., I just do not see him telling every little detail like girlfriends having a girl chat... Never heard nor seen anything quite like it...

This is just my opinion...

But aren't many of kk's details backed up by evidence ?

 

[skyedaze]

She lacked the human decency to prevent a mother’s murder.

She lacked empathy for both Kelsey, and her daughter.

I have no sympathy for KK, and couldn’t possibly care less, as to form the verbal onslaught takes.

No one can control their looks, and generally, an attack in that regard is as weak as it is petty.

For her, I’ll make an exception.

Totally on board with this!

 

[skyedaze]

Really strange comments, I guess she took off without her car or truck. Or I guess she shot herself then magically disappeared from the condo, after she was dead, but left behind blood evidence.

I think RS knew early on KB's fate, I think he knew on 11/22 late with PF's trip over to Guffey with the tote in the truck. I doubt he left it parked at the house with SF.

I am curious with the FBI and CBI involved if they will stumble onto something else PF and company were involved in, like this whole college admittance scam, which came about as FBI was investigating something totally unrelated! Stay tuned! The first one to talk gets the deal!

Maybe LE needs to check on RS's phone...